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Persivis
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Postby Persivis » Wed Jul 23, 2014 9:24 pm

The Union of the West wrote:
Persivis wrote:Then we circle back to the original problem...nukes.

Nukes can be used as long as nukes don't destroy the entire world.

There is no way limited nuke use would happen. As soon as one side saw proliferation they would think its an all out attack. When the US launched a test run of nuclear attacks, o a Soviet nuclear submarine it appeared that the US was firing everything. Had the captain not literally saved the world by not ordering to fire, we would have all died.
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Postby The Union of the West » Wed Jul 23, 2014 9:27 pm

Persivis wrote:
The Union of the West wrote:Nukes can be used as long as nukes don't destroy the entire world.

There is no way limited nuke use would happen. As soon as one side saw proliferation they would think its an all out attack. When the US launched a test run of nuclear attacks, o a Soviet nuclear submarine it appeared that the US was firing everything. Had the captain not literally saved the world by not ordering to fire, we would have all died.

Meh... just make something up for the backstory. It doesn't have to be completely logical. :P It doesn't even have to involve a war.
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Postby Persivis » Wed Jul 23, 2014 9:29 pm

The Union of the West wrote:
Persivis wrote:There is no way limited nuke use would happen. As soon as one side saw proliferation they would think its an all out attack. When the US launched a test run of nuclear attacks, o a Soviet nuclear submarine it appeared that the US was firing everything. Had the captain not literally saved the world by not ordering to fire, we would have all died.

Meh... just make something up for the backstory. It doesn't have to be completely logical. :P It doesn't even have to involve a war.

I have been trying to think up of a technology that would shoot nukes out of the air, which would allow for war. But I a having difficulty with that since I am not very knowledgeable on ballistics/lasers.
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Postby The Union of the West » Wed Jul 23, 2014 9:31 pm

Persivis wrote:
The Union of the West wrote:Meh... just make something up for the backstory. It doesn't have to be completely logical. :P It doesn't even have to involve a war.

I have been trying to think up of a technology that would shoot nukes out of the air, which would allow for war. But I a having difficulty with that since I am not very knowledgeable on ballistics/lasers.

I don't know much about that either, but reading this could be a good start.
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Postby Maklohi Vai » Wed Jul 23, 2014 10:21 pm

There's always another option. I'm not closed to the idea of the admins coming up with a new scenario. I do have a few ideas.

The Union of the West wrote:
Persivis wrote:I have been trying to think up of a technology that would shoot nukes out of the air, which would allow for war. But I a having difficulty with that since I am not very knowledgeable on ballistics/lasers.

I don't know much about that either, but reading this could be a good start.

A good start to show you what not to do?
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Postby Ainin » Wed Jul 23, 2014 10:49 pm

The Union of the West wrote:
Persivis wrote:I have been trying to think up of a technology that would shoot nukes out of the air, which would allow for war. But I a having difficulty with that since I am not very knowledgeable on ballistics/lasers.

I don't know much about that either, but reading this could be a good start.

Star Wars: Because developing physically-implausible weapons is a good idea.
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Postby Beta Test » Wed Jul 23, 2014 11:48 pm

While I don't think the Senate is dying again, as it seemed with Aurentina, I wouldn't mind a change in location. Baltonia doesn't have the character and the fun Aurentina had.
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Postby Corenea » Wed Jul 23, 2014 11:50 pm

Beta Test wrote:While I don't think the Senate is dying again, as it seemed with Aurentina, I wouldn't mind a change in location. Baltonia doesn't have the character and the fun Aurentina had.

But Aurentina was essentially chaotic with unrealism flying all over the area.
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Postby Maklohi Vai » Thu Jul 24, 2014 12:27 am

Corenea wrote:
Beta Test wrote:While I don't think the Senate is dying again, as it seemed with Aurentina, I wouldn't mind a change in location. Baltonia doesn't have the character and the fun Aurentina had.

But Aurentina was essentially chaotic with unrealism flying all over the area.

Yes, and that's what kept some people around more than the legislation. As I said before, I don't think this spell is anything to worry about.
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Postby Great Nepal » Thu Jul 24, 2014 2:19 am

Instead of trying to justify why nukes didn't fly (improbable proposition) why not say they did? Think something similar to the 100: nukes flew and essentially made world inhabitable however as majority of nations have space programs they escaped in limited capacity to refugee of space stations. However governments attempted to continue the war since resources were quite scarce and additional air was quite welcome as well but the people who had seen destruction on earth were unwilling to have same thing in last refuge of humanity. The peace movement (as it was known in the day) thus overthrew the governments in joint assults establishing a truce and resource sharing agreement (those stations without significant peace movement: think north Korea etc) soon fell against combined might of most powerful alliance seen in history. Overtime the alliance grew to a universal government which continued as after centuries humanity returns to earth from which on spots is habitable.
Fast forward two centuries and while parts of world are still uninhabitable, parts controlled by disenchanted milita, for large part its under governance of world state.

Note that I think this is slightly premature, we are prolly just in short term slump than long term issue.
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Postby Britanno » Thu Jul 24, 2014 3:03 am

The senate is dead. We were foolish to think a reboot could work. It was good at the beginning because of all the new parties and coalitions stuff, but that died down quickly. Another reboot won't work, and it'll be avoiding the real issue here: not enough people are interested anymore.

We just don't have the numbers, and no amount of TGs or links in our signatures are going to change that. Maybe instead of squeezing every last breath out of the senate, we should just accept it's dead. Let it die with some dignity.

There's a good House of Cards RP that started recently, if we can encourage our members to go to that then we can make a very strong RP.
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Postby Calimera II » Thu Jul 24, 2014 3:04 am

Britanno wrote:The senate is dead. We were foolish to think a reboot could work. It was good at the beginning because of all the new parties and coalitions stuff, but that died down quickly. Another reboot won't work, and it'll be avoiding the real issue here: not enough people are interested anymore.

We just don't have the numbers, and no amount of TGs or links in our signatures are going to change that. Maybe instead of squeezing every last breath out of the senate, we should just accept it's dead. Let it die with some dignity.

There's a good House of Cards RP that started recently, if we can encourage our members to go to that then we can make a very strong RP.


Or we continue because we like it?

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Postby Arkolon » Thu Jul 24, 2014 6:47 am

Calimera II wrote:
Britanno wrote:The senate is dead. We were foolish to think a reboot could work. It was good at the beginning because of all the new parties and coalitions stuff, but that died down quickly. Another reboot won't work, and it'll be avoiding the real issue here: not enough people are interested anymore.

We just don't have the numbers, and no amount of TGs or links in our signatures are going to change that. Maybe instead of squeezing every last breath out of the senate, we should just accept it's dead. Let it die with some dignity.

There's a good House of Cards RP that started recently, if we can encourage our members to go to that then we can make a very strong RP.


Or we continue because we like it?

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Postby CTALNH » Thu Jul 24, 2014 6:52 am

Arkolon wrote:
Calimera II wrote:
Or we continue because we like it?

See ya, then, guys.

I am leaving this time too.

Not ragequiting mind you just leaving.
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Postby The New World Oceania » Thu Jul 24, 2014 8:42 am

CTALNH wrote:
Arkolon wrote:See ya, then, guys.

I am leaving this time too.

Not ragequiting mind you just leaving.


So there's this strategy you use when you're determined to commit suicide, you wait a week before you off yourself. The idea is that if you're hell-bent on it, why not wait a week?
That's what I suggest here. If the Senate is really dead, and you'd stay if it were alive, give it a week. Better yet, give it three, since a month of inactivity best denotes the RP's death.
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Postby The Union of the West » Thu Jul 24, 2014 8:46 am

Maklohi Vai wrote:There's always another option. I'm not closed to the idea of the admins coming up with a new scenario. I do have a few ideas.

What are your ideas? (Or do you have to discuss it with the other admins first?)
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Postby Kraciva » Thu Jul 24, 2014 8:47 am

Great Nepal wrote:Instead of trying to justify why nukes didn't fly (improbable proposition) why not say they did? Think something similar to the 100: nukes flew and essentially made world inhabitable however as majority of nations have space programs they escaped in limited capacity to refugee of space stations. However governments attempted to continue the war since resources were quite scarce and additional air was quite welcome as well but the people who had seen destruction on earth were unwilling to have same thing in last refuge of humanity. The peace movement (as it was known in the day) thus overthrew the governments in joint assults establishing a truce and resource sharing agreement (those stations without significant peace movement: think north Korea etc) soon fell against combined might of most powerful alliance seen in history. Overtime the alliance grew to a universal government which continued as after centuries humanity returns to earth from which on spots is habitable.
Fast forward two centuries and while parts of world are still uninhabitable, parts controlled by disenchanted milita, for large part its under governance of world state.

Note that I think this is slightly premature, we are prolly just in short term slump than long term issue.


I actually like that idea. Though...what if we went slightly bigger? What if we included colonies on Mars? I know it sounds far fetched, but it does open the RP up with the potential to form an interesting rivalry in the World State, between the humans of Earth and the human colonists of Mars.

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Postby The Union of the West » Thu Jul 24, 2014 8:51 am

I like Great Nepal's idea and Kravica's idea. Maybe we should form a thread to discuss this, instead of filling up the lobby?
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Postby Kraciva » Thu Jul 24, 2014 9:02 am

Why? The Lobby doesn't have a use anymore. No one is doing anything. Britanno declared the Senate dead, so....

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Postby The Union of the West » Thu Jul 24, 2014 9:04 am

Kraciva wrote:Why? The Lobby doesn't have a use anymore. No one is doing anything. Britanno declared the Senate dead, so....

I agree with Britanno, but the admins don't seem to think it's dead. I suppose we can continue to discuss here.
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Postby Russian Socialist Soviet States » Thu Jul 24, 2014 9:08 am

Kraciva wrote:Why? The Lobby doesn't have a use anymore. No one is doing anything. Britanno declared the Senate dead, so....

Onwards to Germany!
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Postby The Union of the West » Thu Jul 24, 2014 9:32 am

Russian Socialist Soviet States wrote:
Kraciva wrote:Why? The Lobby doesn't have a use anymore. No one is doing anything. Britanno declared the Senate dead, so....

Onwards to Germany!

No... RP-ing a Senate in a nation that already exists wouldn't be a good idea. The realism would be ridiculous; it would be even more scripted than Baltonia.
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Postby Russian Socialist Soviet States » Thu Jul 24, 2014 9:42 am

The Union of the West wrote:
Russian Socialist Soviet States wrote:Onwards to Germany!

No... RP-ing a Senate in a nation that already exists wouldn't be a good idea. The realism would be ridiculous; it would be even more scripted than Baltonia.

I want to realistically simulate Hitler's rise to power.
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Postby The New World Oceania » Thu Jul 24, 2014 9:46 am

On the matter of an NSUN, you'd have to do it well, make it large and look interesting. This based on that I posted a small UN committee roleplay in P2TM just a moment ago, watched it sink to page two in a matter of minutes with just four views.
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