NSG Senate General Discussion Thread (Former Lobby)

[Unicario]

Yeah, but more overtly right-wing. Democratic Fascism bruh.

Dominionism.

Absolutely not religious at all. God no.

[Oneracon]

He's a member of the Tea Party? His viewpoints do not match those of the Tea Party, though.

He's a member of the more libertarian wing of the Tea Party (which do exist). Not all Tea Partiers are super-religious and ultra-conservative.

Why can't they allow more political parties instead of making more and more factions within the two big tents?

[Intermountain States]

He's a member of the more libertarian wing of the Tea Party (which do exist). Not all Tea Partiers are super-religious and ultra-conservative.

Why can't they allow more political parties instead of making more and more factions within the two big tents?

Because if they allow more political parties then the Democrats and the Republicans might lose power and they don't want that

[Oneracon]

Why can't they allow more political parties instead of making more and more factions within the two big tents?

Because if they allow more political parties then the Democrats and the Republicans might lose power and they don't want that

Shame, things would be so much more cooler if the US were a multi-party democracy with a directly elected president.

[The New World Oceania]

Because if they allow more political parties then the Democrats and the Republicans might lose power and they don't want that

Shame, things would be so much more cooler if the US were a multi-party democracy with a directly elected president.

I brought up once that the ideal state of US politics would be a balance between the Greens, the Libertarians, the Socialists, and the Constitution Party. People brought up the issues that a) this is very similar to the Canadian state of politics and b) all of these parties are run by some of the most incompetent people in the country.

I just don't understand. The LP and Greens have some of the best messages in the world and the absolute worst messengers God ever regretted.

[The Liberated Territories]

Shame, things would be so much more cooler if the US were a multi-party democracy with a directly elected president.

I brought up once that the ideal state of US politics would be a balance between the Greens, the Libertarians, the Socialists, and the Constitution Party. People brought up the issues that a) this is very similar to the Canadian state of politics and b) all of these parties are run by some of the most incompetent people in the country.

I just don't understand. The LP and Greens have some of the best messages in the world and the absolute worst messengers God ever regretted.

>The Greens
>Good messages

pick one pls

[The New World Oceania]

I brought up once that the ideal state of US politics would be a balance between the Greens, the Libertarians, the Socialists, and the Constitution Party. People brought up the issues that a) this is very similar to the Canadian state of politics and b) all of these parties are run by some of the most incompetent people in the country.

I just don't understand. The LP and Greens have some of the best messages in the world and the absolute worst messengers God ever regretted.

>The Greens
>Good messages

pick one pls

Call me a dirty leftist, but although I'm full free-market everywhere else I just can't stand that we don't have universal healthcare. Just the most basic of basic, because it doesn't make sense to me that the government legitimately spends money on roads when people are dying of stage 4 terminal cancer without insurance.

[Gothmogs]

>The Greens
>Good messages

pick one pls

Call me a dirty leftist, but although I'm full free-market everywhere else I just can't stand that we don't have universal healthcare. Just the most basic of basic, because it doesn't make sense to me that the government legitimately spends money on roads when people are dying of stage 4 terminal cancer without insurance.

I totally agree with you. The fact that US healthcare is some of the most expensive in the developed world definitely says something's wrong.

[The Liberated Territories]

>The Greens
>Good messages

pick one pls

Call me a dirty leftist, but although I'm full free-market everywhere else I just can't stand that we don't have universal healthcare. Just the most basic of basic, because it doesn't make sense to me that the government legitimately spends money on roads when people are dying of stage 4 terminal cancer without insurance.

Easy. We can compromise with vouchers for that.

Now tell me what's good about some of these stances

-GMO scaring
-Anti nuclear stances
-Homeopathy
-"rewilding"
-nature schools or whatever

and other shit

[Gothmogs]

Call me a dirty leftist, but although I'm full free-market everywhere else I just can't stand that we don't have universal healthcare. Just the most basic of basic, because it doesn't make sense to me that the government legitimately spends money on roads when people are dying of stage 4 terminal cancer without insurance.

Easy. We can compromise with vouchers for that.

Now tell me what's good about some of these stances

-GMO scaring
-Anti nuclear stances
-Homeopathy
-"rewilding"
-nature schools or whatever

and other shit

Sources? I'm just curious. I've known they were anti-nuclear but these other things seem...strange.

[The Liberated Territories]

Easy. We can compromise with vouchers for that.

Now tell me what's good about some of these stances

-GMO scaring
-Anti nuclear stances
-Homeopathy
-"rewilding"
-nature schools or whatever

and other shit

Sources? I'm just curious. I've known they were anti-nuclear but these other things seem...strange.

Thank Regnum for all of this:

http://forum.nationstates.net/viewtopic ... #p18457033

[Gothmogs]

Sources? I'm just curious. I've known they were anti-nuclear but these other things seem...strange.

Thank Regnum for all of this:

http://forum.nationstates.net/viewtopic ... #p18457033

Regnum DEAT'd?

[United Provinces of Atlantica]

Thank Regnum for all of this:

viewtopic.php?p=18457033#p18457033

Regnum DEAT'd?

Nope, CTE'd, I believe.

[Gallifrey Secundaria]

I'm considering making my own party this time. It would be a right-wing party, of course, with no social policy except for anti-illegal immigration. It would support free or subsidized healthcare for the working poor, and I'd put together good insurance policy since I work in the insurance industry IRL. It would also likely be moderately environmentalist; I've changed my views a bit when it comes to the environment. Anti-national healthcare as always.

I just don't think I'd RP very well as a senator whose views I disagree with. I'm not very creative. And I filled a number of roles in Aurentina including President, party chair, and an influential Senator, but never the creator of a party.

That sounds like the US Democratic Party, to be honest. Yes, it is a right-wing party, but more of a moderate one.

The political spectra in the US is that the Dems are center-right, and the Republicans are far-right.

However, since they are the only two parties that basically mean anything in the US, it's been adjusted so that the Dems are on the left.

[Gallifrey Secundaria]

Because if they allow more political parties then the Democrats and the Republicans might lose power and they don't want that

Shame, things would be so much more cooler if the US were a multi-party democracy with a directly elected president.

I would suggest a system similar to Sweden. Do away with the president altogether, and just have the prime minister who is chosen from whichever party gets the most votes. This party can then team up with other parties to reach a majority in a single-chamber system (instead of the frankly retarded 2 chamber one) or govern on a minority basis.

Do away with the midterms completely, and elect everybody the same year as the prospect prime minister.

[CTALNH]

No shit we could have rped so many things!

It wasn't the idea for me, it's that you're a godmodding cheat.

Oh screw your realistic opinion Brittano.
People like you destroyed the RP not me.Did I godmod?Fuck yeah I did!But at least I tried to negotiate with people and asked the admins of the senate how much I could godmod.

Didn't the nation itself not godmod? Didn't you pull guns,tanks and airplanes out of your ass too?

Hell the stupid shit I and other people did was the heart that made this RP last us long as it did.

[Argentarino]

It wasn't the idea for me, it's that you're a godmodding cheat.

Oh screw your realistic opinion Brittano.
People like you destroyed the RP not me.Did I godmod?Fuck yeah I did!But at least I tried to negotiate with people and asked the admins of the senate how much I could godmod.

Didn't the nation itself not godmod? Didn't you pull guns,tanks and airplanes out of your ass too?

Hell the stupid shit I and other people did was the heart that made this RP last us long as it did.

There is a sizable difference from being lax on reality and godmodding. I highly advise you read about godmodding in the stickies.

[Of the Quendi]

Do away with the president altogether, and just have the prime minister who is chosen from whichever party gets the most votes.

Inaccurate representation of the Swedish system. Its no requirement for the PM to represent the largest party.

[The Nihilistic view]

>The Greens
>Good messages

pick one pls

Call me a dirty leftist, but although I'm full free-market everywhere else I just can't stand that we don't have universal healthcare. Just the most basic of basic, because it doesn't make sense to me that the government legitimately spends money on roads when people are dying of stage 4 terminal cancer without insurance.

What's the point in universal healthcare if you can't get to the hospital due to a lack of roads?

[Intermountain States]

Call me a dirty leftist, but although I'm full free-market everywhere else I just can't stand that we don't have universal healthcare. Just the most basic of basic, because it doesn't make sense to me that the government legitimately spends money on roads when people are dying of stage 4 terminal cancer without insurance.

What's the point in universal healthcare if you can't get to the hospital due to a lack of roads?

That's really deep thinking

[CTALNH]

Oh screw your realistic opinion Brittano.
People like you destroyed the RP not me.Did I godmod?Fuck yeah I did!But at least I tried to negotiate with people and asked the admins of the senate how much I could godmod.

Didn't the nation itself not godmod? Didn't you pull guns,tanks and airplanes out of your ass too?

Hell the stupid shit I and other people did was the heart that made this RP last us long as it did.

There is a sizable difference from being lax on reality and godmodding. I highly advise you read about godmodding in the stickies.

Who are you and do you know what we are talking about?

[Gallifrey Secundaria]

Do away with the president altogether, and just have the prime minister who is chosen from whichever party gets the most votes.

Inaccurate representation of the Swedish system. Its no requirement for the PM to represent the largest party.

The Swedish PM has ALWAYS represented the largest party or coalition, either in a single party government (As is the case with most of the Social Democratic governments.) or in a coalition.

[Dejanic]

Yo, former member of the Commie party of the first nationstates senate (Aurentina), and co leader/founder of the Kalengian Social Democratic Labour party, as well as elected defence minister for the government (though I never really did much as the senate basically died after the government was elected), I'd possibly make a Social Democratic party for a new senate if it came around, though I do feel like we'd need to do something about these absurd coalitions that seem to always form.

The first senates composition was odd, we had a "broad left coalition" which had everyone from Liberals to Communists and Stalinists and a "broad right coalition" which seemed to have the Conservatives, Libertarians, and for some reason the Centrists, this was definitely a strange layout but it kind of worked. The second senates composition was horrible though, since we had a "broad centrist coalition" which basically had every party ranging from the centre-right to the centre-left (in other words all the parties that weren't crazy), and then you had the far-lefties in their little coalition, and the far-righties in their own powerless coalition.

If I had to say which system worked the best, I'd say I preferred the former, as at least the parties had a little bit in common, the grand "centrist coalition" of the 2nd Senate was utterly boring, though tbh I'd prefer there to be some sort of limit on how many parties can go into a coalition so we can actually have some diversity.

[Unicario]

Yo, former member of the Commie party of the first nationstates senate (Aurentina), and co leader/founder of the Kalengian Social Democratic Labour party, as well as elected defence minister for the government (though I never really did much as the senate basically died after the government was elected), I'd possibly make a Social Democratic party for a new senate if it came around, though I do feel like we'd need to do something about these absurd coalitions that seem to always form.

The first senates composition was odd, we had a "broad left coalition" which had everyone from Liberals to Communists and Stalinists and a "broad right coalition" which seemed to have the Conservatives, Libertarians, and for some reason the Centrists, this was definitely a strange layout but it kind of worked. The second senates composition was horrible though, since we had a "broad centrist coalition" which basically had every party ranging from the centre-right to the centre-left (in other words all the parties that weren't crazy), and then you had the far-lefties in their little coalition, and the far-righties in their own powerless coalition.

If I had to say which system worked the best, I'd say I preferred the former, as at least the parties had a little bit in common, the grand "centrist coalition" of the 2nd Senate was utterly boring, though tbh I'd prefer there to be some sort of limit on how many parties can go into a coalition so we can actually have some diversity.

*throws a rock at you*

[Ainin]

The right coalition fell apart every two months, which was rather funny.