NSG Senate General Discussion Thread (Former Lobby)

[Britanno]

So I went inactive for a year or so, but I thought it might be nice to start anew. Venaleria here.

Yay!

Have to say I agree with Maklohi on the admins stuff. They couldn't really win on Baltonia. Me and someone else (think it was Cor) were demanding we stick to what was originally agreed, while NST complained that it restricted RP and wanted explosions everyday.

We need a fair balance. I didn't have anything wrong with the way admins were chosen. I think we can all agree that Maklohi is a good admin, and so the ability for us to nominate anyone we wanted and then for him to choose was a good system IMO.

[Britanno]

It was not just the Mafia, there was also the fact that 95% of protests and gatherings ended up in riots/street fighting and on some occasions the military fighting.

I don't think protests turning into riots was a major issue, it's when they turned into war zones.

[New Bierstaat]

The middle ground would require us to be more involved on determining what is the furthest limit we can push things. I think the issue we had was that too many people wanted that blowing up stuff rather than the peaceful discourse of everyday life. It would have been nice for the police to have been called to something other than a mafia with a friggin private army tearing up some random pub.

There also needs to be an understanding between the Generalites and II players in the senate. We can have RP and the legislation exist at the same time, but limits have to be solidly decided.

It was not just the Mafia, there was also the fact that 95% of protests and gatherings ended up in riots/street fighting and on some occasions the military fighting.

Like my anti-tax protest. I did a couple of posts with people holding signs up in front of the Senate building, and then I logged off to do some RL stuff. I got on a couple of minutes later only to find that the protest had been turned into a riot, and a pretty large one at that, with explosives and such.

[Britanno]

Anyone still talking to Kour? It'd be great to get him back.

[The New World Oceania]

It was not just the Mafia, there was also the fact that 95% of protests and gatherings ended up in riots/street fighting and on some occasions the military fighting.

Like my anti-tax protest. I did a couple of posts with people holding signs up in front of the Senate building, and then I logged off to do some RL stuff. I got on a couple of minutes later only to find that the protest had been turned into a riot, and a pretty large one at that, with explosives and such.

But masked terrorists in white vans are integral to every NSGS rally! I for one know that, no matter what we do next time round, I'll be starting a radicalist parent-teacher association.

[Britanno]

Fulflood/Vyvland
Yanalia
Malgrave
Kouralia
Old Tyrannia
Distruzio
Great Nepal
Wolfmanne
Unicario
Byzantium Imperial
Angleter
Bleckonia (praying he has no grudges for my dickhead behaviour)
Of the Quendi
Kalmath
Finium
Regnum
Realm of God
Geilinor
Yanalia
Battlion
Grand Longueville
Jetan
Lamaredia
Gothmogs
Agritum
Mkuki
Othelos
Costa Alegria
New Waterford
New Sea Territory
Osea
Free South Califas
Soviet Canuckistan
Oneracon
Polvia
Britcan
Welsh Cowboy
Diopolis

List of people I think we should approach.

Anyone got any OOC contact for those that have CTE'd?

[Dragomerian Islands]

Fulflood/Vyvland
Yanalia
Malgrave
Kouralia
Old Tyrannia
Distruzio
Great Nepal
Wolfmanne
Unicario
Byzantium Imperial
Angleter
Bleckonia (praying he has no grudges for my dickhead behaviour)
Of the Quendi
Kalmath
Finium
Regnum
Realm of God
Geilinor
Yanalia
Battlion
Grand Longueville
Jetan
Lamaredia
Gothmogs
Agritum
Mkuki
Othelos
Costa Alegria
New Waterford
New Sea Territory
Osea
Free South Califas
Soviet Canuckistan
Oneracon
Polvia
Britcan
Welsh Cowboy
Diopolis

List of people I think we should approach.

Anyone got any OOC contact for those that have CTE'd?

What is the list for?

[The Liberated Territories]

Like my anti-tax protest. I did a couple of posts with people holding signs up in front of the Senate building, and then I logged off to do some RL stuff. I got on a couple of minutes later only to find that the protest had been turned into a riot, and a pretty large one at that, with explosives and such.

But masked terrorists in white vans are integral to every NSGS rally! I for one know that, no matter what we do next time round, I'll be starting a radicalist parent-teacher association.

If we do an Aurentina or Vestmark, I'm going to be an Islamic fundamentalists group. :d

[Ravenflight]

Pirate Party Vestmark!

[Dragomerian Islands]

But masked terrorists in white vans are integral to every NSGS rally! I for one know that, no matter what we do next time round, I'll be starting a radicalist parent-teacher association.

If we do an Aurentina or Vestmark, I'm going to be an Islamic fundamentalists group. :d

Ok, if we are doing an individual nation for the new NSG Senate generation, I call having the largest media corporation* in whatever nation is done.

*Such a corporation shall have reasonable limits on size and functionality for the claim.

[Great Nepal]

Fulflood/Vyvland
Yanalia
Malgrave
Kouralia
Old Tyrannia
Distruzio
Great Nepal
Wolfmanne
Unicario
Byzantium Imperial
Angleter
Bleckonia (praying he has no grudges for my dickhead behaviour)
Of the Quendi
Kalmath
Finium
Regnum
Realm of God
Geilinor
Yanalia
Battlion
Grand Longueville
Jetan
Lamaredia
Gothmogs
Agritum
Mkuki
Othelos
Costa Alegria
New Waterford
New Sea Territory
Osea
Free South Califas
Soviet Canuckistan
Oneracon
Polvia
Britcan
Welsh Cowboy
Diopolis

List of people I think we should approach.

Anyone got any OOC contact for those that have CTE'd?

...I am still around, just looking around rather than posting.
Btw, bringing up something someone (Maklohi?) suggested from while back because this really shouldn't be buried as we reboot: players (non-MP) controlling foreign nations to allow for international relations and politics. I think it was issue with both iterations; we did stuff but at end of the day it was all in a vacuum. Back then, there seemed to be quite bit of players willing to do this...

[The Liberated Territories]

Pirate Party Vestmark!

Gonna be the New Right Alliance. (NRA)

[New Zepuha]

It was not just the Mafia, there was also the fact that 95% of protests and gatherings ended up in riots/street fighting and on some occasions the military fighting.

I don't think protests turning into riots was a major issue, it's when they turned into war zones.

Precisely. I relished busting protests. But when bomb got tossed at cops....

[The Nihilistic view]

I don't think protests turning into riots was a major issue, it's when they turned into war zones.

Precisely. I relished busting protests. But when bomb got tossed at cops....

Repressing the press was my favorite activity!

[New Zepuha]

Precisely. I relished busting protests. But when bomb got tossed at cops....

Repressing the press was my favorite activity!

Who can forget the brave NIB agents who almost got arrested by those thick headed Gendarmes.

[The Nihilistic view]

Repressing the press was my favorite activity!

Who can forget the brave NIB agents who almost got arrested by those thick headed Gendarmes.

Yeah, bloody Gendarmes. They only thing they're good for is delivering pizza.

[New Zepuha]

Who can forget the brave NIB agents who almost got arrested by those thick headed Gendarmes.

Yeah, bloody Gendarmes. They only thing they're good for is delivering pizza.

And generally bungling police operations and making us look bad.

[Unicario]

If we do an Aurentina or Vestmark, I'm going to be an Islamic fundamentalists group. :d

Ok, if we are doing an individual nation for the new NSG Senate generation, I call having the largest media corporation* in whatever nation is done.

*Such a corporation shall have reasonable limits on size and functionality for the claim.

If I come back, god no to this.

[The Nihilistic view]

Dragomerian Media, telling you the right way to think!

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Bbj1JToCUAAojiP.jpg:large

[Ravenflight]

Dragomerian Media, telling you the right way to think!

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Bbj1JToCUAAojiP.jpg:large

Is the revolution telesised yet?

[Dragomerian Islands]

Don't worry, it would only be in media. It turns out that I RP a rich corporation owner better than I do a socialist ect.

[The Nihilistic view]

Dragomerian Media, telling you the right way to think!

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Bbj1JToCUAAojiP.jpg:large

Is the revolution telesised yet?

Three time so far, nothing mush in the way of concrete progress though. Tends to just get laughed at when tried.

[Maklohi Vai]

Woah, nice to see you again!


What other things, if I may ask? And with Baltonia, the reason we went ahead with enforcement is because we didn't hear a lot of protest from the other side before we started. I put out a call for people to bring up points, to state their view, but very few responded and none very forcefully against the measure. Of course once we got into it, it became clear there was more opposition, but it was not foreseeable when we started Baltonia.

As for the election and executive power vs. un-elected and designated power, I think it's important to note that Ainin and I are the only admins who've stayed in the position for more than 6 months (Wolfmanne might have approached it, actually). It's not an easy job, and most people don't want to be in it for too long. How about a counter-proposal of sorts: I nominate an admin and the senate votes on the nomination? Now, I'm not actually if that's what I want for the RP going forward, but I'm interested in hearing your thoughts on it.

For example the date for the start of Baltonia. I believe there was first a vote among admins that set up 1989 or around then as a start date. I among others pushed for a vote and the vote gave the 2014 start date.

Yes, the admins voted 3-2 for 1989 to start. Because of the backlash we had a popular vote in which 2014 won, but not by a lot, so we went back to another admin vote. That went 2-2 with one abstention, so we defaulted to the popular vote and went with 2014.

My ideal choice would be a small amount of designated power that is granted expressly by the community. In that situation i'm fine with admins not being elected or your suggestion of the community voting on a nomination. If there is to be some kind of system I would prefer it to be a recall system. There is no vote on appointment but one can happen if people lose confidence in an admin. Say a petition with 10 seconds for the removal of an admin would instigate a vote and the admin needs the support of 2/3rds of the vote to stay an admin.

I'm not opposed to a designated power system, but that means that the player base actually has to write up those powers and furthermore provide for some sort of discretionary control by the admins. I think it would be difficult to get that done quickly. As for the recall idea, I can't say I'm a fan, but if we're trending towards democratic selection of admins then I suppose it might work.

I think I'm partly to blame considering that I was a huge dick about realism (and I'm still probably be that way)

As was I. But there's got to be a middle ground between shit blowing up very damn day and a completely scripted storyline.

I trust the admin team to find that balance and believe that the admin power structure we had in Aurentina was good. I think we should keep it like that (provided that it's still led by MV), but admins should generally try to solicit more feedback when it comes to making the big RP decisions.

Thanks for the feedback. And yes, for the big RP decisions in Baltonia we were imperfect. As Nihil mentioned, the start date issue was more jumbled than it should have been. As for the realism restrictiveness, I've already explained how I remember it happening.

As was I. But there's got to be a middle ground between shit blowing up very damn day and a completely scripted storyline.

I trust the admin team to find that balance and believe that the admin power structure we had in Aurentina was good. I think we should keep it like that (provided that it's still led by MV), but admins should generally try to solicit more feedback when it comes to making the big RP decisions.

The middle ground would require us to be more involved on determining what is the furthest limit we can push things. I think the issue we had was that too many people wanted that blowing up stuff rather than the peaceful discourse of everyday life. It would have been nice for the police to have been called to something other than a mafia with a friggin private army tearing up some random pub.

There also needs to be an understanding between the Generalites and II players in the senate. We can have RP and the legislation exist at the same time, but limits have to be solidly decided.

What I'm getting from this is that you'd prefer a clearer divide between the thugs/crime and the legislators/politics. If that's correct, how would you suggest we go about enforcing it?

So I went inactive for a year or so, but I thought it might be nice to start anew. Venaleria here.

Yay!

Have to say I agree with Maklohi on the admins stuff. They couldn't really win on Baltonia. Me and someone else (think it was Cor) were demanding we stick to what was originally agreed, while NST complained that it restricted RP and wanted explosions everyday.

Well, the anti-restriction people were actually divided into two camps: people like NST and then the far leftists who didn't understand why we couldn't have gay marriage.

We need a fair balance. I didn't have anything wrong with the way admins were chosen. I think we can all agree that Maklohi is a good admin, and so the ability for us to nominate anyone we wanted and then for him to choose was a good system IMO.

Thank you for the feedback.

Fulflood/Vyvland
Yanalia
Malgrave
Kouralia
Old Tyrannia
Distruzio
Great Nepal
Wolfmanne
Unicario
Byzantium Imperial
Angleter
Bleckonia (praying he has no grudges for my dickhead behaviour)
Of the Quendi
Kalmath
Finium
Regnum
Realm of God
Geilinor
Yanalia
Battlion
Grand Longueville
Jetan
Lamaredia
Gothmogs
Agritum
Mkuki
Othelos
Costa Alegria
New Waterford
New Sea Territory
Osea
Free South Califas
Soviet Canuckistan
Oneracon
Polvia
Britcan
Welsh Cowboy
Diopolis

List of people I think we should approach.

Anyone got any OOC contact for those that have CTE'd?

Welsh Cowboy and I had some TG contact until he CTE'd. I don't think he's coming back. I'm also in contact with Divair still, but he doesn't want to return to NS under any circumstance.

Fulflood/Vyvland
Yanalia
Malgrave
Kouralia
Old Tyrannia
Distruzio
Great Nepal
Wolfmanne
Unicario
Byzantium Imperial
Angleter
Bleckonia (praying he has no grudges for my dickhead behaviour)
Of the Quendi
Kalmath
Finium
Regnum
Realm of God
Geilinor
Yanalia
Battlion
Grand Longueville
Jetan
Lamaredia
Gothmogs
Agritum
Mkuki
Othelos
Costa Alegria
New Waterford
New Sea Territory
Osea
Free South Califas
Soviet Canuckistan
Oneracon
Polvia
Britcan
Welsh Cowboy
Diopolis

List of people I think we should approach.

Anyone got any OOC contact for those that have CTE'd?

...I am still around, just looking around rather than posting.
Btw, bringing up something someone (Maklohi?) suggested from while back because this really shouldn't be buried as we reboot: players (non-MP) controlling foreign nations to allow for international relations and politics. I think it was issue with both iterations; we did stuff but at end of the day it was all in a vacuum. Back then, there seemed to be quite bit of players willing to do this...

I'm still open to this suggestion. We had far more people volunteer to be one of these RPers than we needed though. I think if we went ahead with this, it should fall under the purview of the admins, either with us directly RP'ing or reviewing the RP plans of whoever is writing the RPs at least at first.

Don't worry, it would only be in media. It turns out that I RP a rich corporation owner better than I do a socialist ect.

Let's not.

[Beta Test]

I see we are yet to have a settled on a reboot date. What would be the most likely choice?

[Maklohi Vai]

I see we are yet to have a settled on a reboot date. What would be the most likely choice?

Most likely it will coincide closely with the new year. We're going to start more active planning within a week or two, though.