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Belmaria
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Postby Belmaria » Thu Jul 18, 2013 1:55 pm

The Zeonic States wrote:
Battlion wrote:
Ah fair enough, then I have no real objections but I do think the Senate should be able to consider decisions and not be totally overlooked.


Agreed.

If this is edited into the bill I will co-sponsor
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Postby Hathradic States » Thu Jul 18, 2013 2:00 pm

Does it have enough to request queue?
Aurentine Foreign Legion Creation Act

Drafted By: Hathimir Taltos (NIFP)
Sponsors: Byzantium Imperial (NIFP), Eliasonia (NIFP), Beta Test (LDP), Agritum (TRP), Jetan(NCP), Realm of God (PC), Jefferson Smith (OP)
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Recognizing the desire of foreign nationals to serve in the Aurentine military, this act hereby creates the Aurentine Foreign Legion.

Organization:

The Legion shall be divided into thirteen regiments, also called cohorts, which shall number eight hundred each, under the command of a senior officer and senior NCO. Each regiment or cohort shall then be further divided into eighty soldier companies, further called centuries, commanded by a junior officer and senior NCO. Each century shall be divided again into eight soldier squads, commanded by a junior NCO and a senior enlisted man.

The Aurentine Foreign Legion (hereby called the AFL), shall be under the command of the General of the Foreign Legion, who shall come from the Aurentine Army until a time in which a legionnaire has reached that rank.

Enlistment Rules:

In order to join the AFL, one must be of the age of eighteen years or older, and have no violent felony charges in the nation of their birth, or in the Nation of Aurentina. They must meet all the physical standards of the national military, as well as the mental and psychological standards.

Amnesty:
All members of the Foreign Legion, granted they fulfill the requirements, shall be granted complete amnesty, unless the crimes committed were rape, molestation, or terrorism in a country allied with the Nation of Auretine.

The requirements are:
Having served at least five years as a member of the AFL
Having not been convicted by court marshal of any violent crimes, including but not limited to: rape, murder, molestation, or arson whilst serving in the AFL
Having been honourably or medically discharged from the AFL
Having taken an oath of loyalty to the Nation or Aurentina

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Postby Belmaria » Thu Jul 18, 2013 2:06 pm

Hathradic States wrote:Does it have enough to request queue?
Aurentine Foreign Legion Creation Act

Drafted By: Hathimir Taltos (NIFP)
Sponsors: Byzantium Imperial (NIFP), Eliasonia (NIFP), Beta Test (LDP), Agritum (TRP), Jetan(NCP), Realm of God (PC), Jefferson Smith (OP)
Draft#: 3

Recognizing the desire of foreign nationals to serve in the Aurentine military, this act hereby creates the Aurentine Foreign Legion.

Organization:

The Legion shall be divided into thirteen regiments, also called cohorts, which shall number eight hundred each, under the command of a senior officer and senior NCO. Each regiment or cohort shall then be further divided into eighty soldier companies, further called centuries, commanded by a junior officer and senior NCO. Each century shall be divided again into eight soldier squads, commanded by a junior NCO and a senior enlisted man.

The Aurentine Foreign Legion (hereby called the AFL), shall be under the command of the General of the Foreign Legion, who shall come from the Aurentine Army until a time in which a legionnaire has reached that rank.

Enlistment Rules:

In order to join the AFL, one must be of the age of eighteen years or older, and have no violent felony charges in the nation of their birth, or in the Nation of Aurentina. They must meet all the physical standards of the national military, as well as the mental and psychological standards.

Amnesty:
All members of the Foreign Legion, granted they fulfill the requirements, shall be granted complete amnesty, unless the crimes committed were rape, molestation, or terrorism in a country allied with the Nation of Auretine.

The requirements are:
Having served at least five years as a member of the AFL
Having not been convicted by court marshal of any violent crimes, including but not limited to: rape, murder, molestation, or arson whilst serving in the AFL
Having been honourably or medically discharged from the AFL
Having taken an oath of loyalty to the Nation or Aurentina

Looks like it. You still need to get approval from the chamber to omnibus it though
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Postby Ainin » Thu Jul 18, 2013 2:06 pm

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...by joining the UN?

I am wholly against this Measure.
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Postby Luziyca » Thu Jul 18, 2013 2:11 pm

Ainin wrote:For clarity, there isn't the IMF here!
Second Amendment to the International Law Act - Author: Ainin [TR] - Urgency: Utmost
Sponsors: Yanalia [RG], Battlion [NLP], The Realm of God [PC], Wolfmanne [PC], Slazliyka [CP]
The Senate of Aurentina,

Ratifying the following treaties, documents and statutes:
  • The Charter of the United Nations
  • The Convention on the Law of the Sea
  • The Convention on International Civil Aviation
  • All 190 Statues, Treaties and Conventions of the International Labour Organization
  • The Safety of Life at Sea Convention
  • The Convention on the International Maritime Organization
  • The General Agreement on Tariffs and Trade
  • The Convention against Transnational Organized Crime, and its additional protocols
  • The United Nations Convention against Corruption
  • The Constitution of the World Health Organization
  • The Vienna Convention for the Protection of the Ozone Layer
    • The Montreal Protocol on Substances that Deplete the Ozone Layer
Issuing requests to the UN Secretariat, or if not applicable, the Directorate of the respective organizations, to join the following organizations and ratifying all necessary treaties to accede to them:
  • The Food and Agriculture Organization
  • The World Trade Organization
  • The Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change
  • The International Atomic Energy Agency
  • The United Nations Conference on Trade and Development
  • The International Telecommunications Union
  • The United Nations Educational, Scientific and Cultural Organization
  • The World Meteorological Organization
  • The World Tourism Organization
  • The Universal Postal Union
Hereby passes the Second Amendment to the International Law Act.

I'll sponsor!
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Postby Geadland » Thu Jul 18, 2013 2:11 pm

I'll sponsor the "Second Amendment to the International Law Act".
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Postby Kamchastkia » Thu Jul 18, 2013 2:25 pm

Battlion wrote:I'm not opposed to the bill, but I swear there is some law that states that the Senate is the supreme lawmaker... well if the airport regulator cannot be touched by the senate doesn't that undermine it?

It's to prevent safety measures from being withdrawn by the senate due to lobbying.

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Postby Battlion » Thu Jul 18, 2013 2:26 pm

Kamchastkia wrote:
Battlion wrote:I'm not opposed to the bill, but I swear there is some law that states that the Senate is the supreme lawmaker... well if the airport regulator cannot be touched by the senate doesn't that undermine it?

It's to prevent safety measures from being withdrawn by the senate due to lobbying.


I understand, but it is important that the Senate has some say over it if it needed to intervene.

Plus, it'd be ludicrous for the Senate to actually overrule it but it should be there just in case.

I just need the minor amendment and I'll happily sponsor it

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Postby Malgrave » Thu Jul 18, 2013 2:27 pm

Geadland wrote:I'll sponsor the "Second Amendment to the International Law Act".


I shall also sponsor.
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Postby Kamchastkia » Thu Jul 18, 2013 2:28 pm

Battlion wrote:
Kamchastkia wrote:It's to prevent safety measures from being withdrawn by the senate due to lobbying.


I understand, but it is important that the Senate has some say over it if it needed to intervene.

Plus, it'd be ludicrous for the Senate to actually overrule it but it should be there just in case.

I just need the minor amendment and I'll happily sponsor it

How would

REQUIRES 2/3rd's majority of the senate in order to repeal any safety standard set in place by the CAA.

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Postby Battlion » Thu Jul 18, 2013 2:35 pm

Kamchastkia wrote:
Battlion wrote:
I understand, but it is important that the Senate has some say over it if it needed to intervene.

Plus, it'd be ludicrous for the Senate to actually overrule it but it should be there just in case.

I just need the minor amendment and I'll happily sponsor it

How would

REQUIRES 2/3rd's majority of the senate in order to repeal any safety standard set in place by the CAA.


2/3 of the Senate? Well that will get near by impossible...

2/3 of the VOTE and I'd agree :)

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Postby Kamchastkia » Thu Jul 18, 2013 2:37 pm

Battlion wrote:
Kamchastkia wrote:How would

REQUIRES 2/3rd's majority of the senate in order to repeal any safety standard set in place by the CAA.


2/3 of the Senate? Well that will get near by impossible...

2/3 of the VOTE and I'd agree :)

Yes, 2/3rd vote :3. Thanks for correcting my error. Will you sponsor then?

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Postby Battlion » Thu Jul 18, 2013 2:39 pm

Kamchastkia wrote:
Battlion wrote:
2/3 of the Senate? Well that will get near by impossible...

2/3 of the VOTE and I'd agree :)

Yes, 2/3rd vote :3. Thanks for correcting my error. Will you sponsor then?


As long as it's amended yes :)

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Postby Wolfmanne » Thu Jul 18, 2013 2:40 pm

Kamchastkia wrote:
Battlion wrote:
2/3 of the Senate? Well that will get near by impossible...

2/3 of the VOTE and I'd agree :)

Yes, 2/3rd vote :3. Thanks for correcting my error. Will you sponsor then?

Wouldn't it be required to be passed with a 2/3 majority?
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Postby Potenco » Thu Jul 18, 2013 2:41 pm

Luziyca wrote:
Ainin wrote:For clarity, there isn't the IMF here!
Second Amendment to the International Law Act - Author: Ainin [TR] - Urgency: Utmost
Sponsors: Yanalia [RG], Battlion [NLP], The Realm of God [PC], Wolfmanne [PC], Slazliyka [CP]
The Senate of Aurentina,

Ratifying the following treaties, documents and statutes:
  • The Charter of the United Nations
  • The Convention on the Law of the Sea
  • The Convention on International Civil Aviation
  • All 190 Statues, Treaties and Conventions of the International Labour Organization
  • The Safety of Life at Sea Convention
  • The Convention on the International Maritime Organization
  • The General Agreement on Tariffs and Trade
  • The Convention against Transnational Organized Crime, and its additional protocols
  • The United Nations Convention against Corruption
  • The Constitution of the World Health Organization
  • The Vienna Convention for the Protection of the Ozone Layer
    • The Montreal Protocol on Substances that Deplete the Ozone Layer
Issuing requests to the UN Secretariat, or if not applicable, the Directorate of the respective organizations, to join the following organizations and ratifying all necessary treaties to accede to them:
  • The Food and Agriculture Organization
  • The World Trade Organization
  • The Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change
  • The International Atomic Energy Agency
  • The United Nations Conference on Trade and Development
  • The International Telecommunications Union
  • The United Nations Educational, Scientific and Cultural Organization
  • The World Meteorological Organization
  • The World Tourism Organization
  • The Universal Postal Union
Hereby passes the Second Amendment to the International Law Act.

I'll sponsor!

This is pretty cool, ill sponsor
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Postby Ainin » Thu Jul 18, 2013 2:43 pm

OOC: Kam, I found your signature back if you want it...
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Postby Kamchastkia » Thu Jul 18, 2013 2:44 pm

Wolfmanne wrote:
Kamchastkia wrote:Yes, 2/3rd vote :3. Thanks for correcting my error. Will you sponsor then?

Wouldn't it be required to be passed with a 2/3 majority?

Note, the bill can be passed with a simple majority, as any other. The bill can be repealed as any other bill would normally be. That part of the bill is referring to the Specific Safety Standards setup by the 2 organizations that are there to regulate and enforce aviation.

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Postby Kamchastkia » Thu Jul 18, 2013 2:45 pm

Ainin wrote:OOC: Kam, I found your signature back if you want it...

OoC: ermergerd where?

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Postby Ainin » Thu Jul 18, 2013 2:48 pm

This should be your sig...

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[align=center]Senator for the [url=http://forum.nationstates.net/viewtopic.php?f=25&t=238137][color=#FF0000]United Socialist Labour Party (USLP)[/color][/url][spoiler=Me][color=#00BF00]Pro[/color] - Palestine, Communism, Socialism, Gay Rights, North Korea
[color=#FFFFFF]Neutral[/color] - Guns, Stalinism, Maoism
[color=#FF0000]Anti[/color] - Capitalism, USA, Israel, US Political Parties, US Colonies, South Korea, Imperialism, Thafoo-ism[/spoiler]
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Postby Kamchastkia » Thu Jul 18, 2013 3:06 pm

Ainin wrote:This should be your sig...

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[align=center]Senator for the [url=http://forum.nationstates.net/viewtopic.php?f=25&t=238137][color=#FF0000]United Socialist Labour Party (USLP)[/color][/url][spoiler=Me][color=#00BF00]Pro[/color] - Palestine, Communism, Socialism, Gay Rights, North Korea
[color=#FFFFFF]Neutral[/color] - Guns, Stalinism, Maoism
[color=#FF0000]Anti[/color] - Capitalism, USA, Israel, US Political Parties, US Colonies, South Korea, Imperialism, Thafoo-ism[/spoiler]
[quote="Thafoo";p="13799716"]And this is where I take the 200 paces into Missouri. :P[/quote]
[url=http://web.archive.org/liveweb/http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7GTTFSD-X50]When I hear someone say China is Communist, I die a little more.[/url][/align]

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Postby Bleckonia » Thu Jul 18, 2013 4:22 pm

Hathradic States wrote:Does it have enough to request queue?
Aurentine Foreign Legion Creation Act

Drafted By: Hathimir Taltos (NIFP)
Sponsors: Byzantium Imperial (NIFP), Eliasonia (NIFP), Beta Test (LDP), Agritum (TRP), Jetan(NCP), Realm of God (PC), Jefferson Smith (OP)
Draft#: 3

Recognizing the desire of foreign nationals to serve in the Aurentine military, this act hereby creates the Aurentine Foreign Legion.

Organization:

The Legion shall be divided into thirteen regiments, also called cohorts, which shall number eight hundred each, under the command of a senior officer and senior NCO. Each regiment or cohort shall then be further divided into eighty soldier companies, further called centuries, commanded by a junior officer and senior NCO. Each century shall be divided again into eight soldier squads, commanded by a junior NCO and a senior enlisted man.

The Aurentine Foreign Legion (hereby called the AFL), shall be under the command of the General of the Foreign Legion, who shall come from the Aurentine Army until a time in which a legionnaire has reached that rank.

Enlistment Rules:

In order to join the AFL, one must be of the age of eighteen years or older, and have no violent felony charges in the nation of their birth, or in the Nation of Aurentina. They must meet all the physical standards of the national military, as well as the mental and psychological standards.

Amnesty:
All members of the Foreign Legion, granted they fulfill the requirements, shall be granted complete amnesty, unless the crimes committed were rape, molestation, or terrorism in a country allied with the Nation of Auretine.

The requirements are:
Having served at least five years as a member of the AFL
Having not been convicted by court marshal of any violent crimes, including but not limited to: rape, murder, molestation, or arson whilst serving in the AFL
Having been honourably or medically discharged from the AFL
Having taken an oath of loyalty to the Nation or Aurentina


It may be late to do this, but I'll sponsor.
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Postby Costa Alegria » Thu Jul 18, 2013 4:28 pm

Is there a bill outlining the structure and powers of local government authorities?
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Postby The State of Czecho-Slovakia » Thu Jul 18, 2013 4:32 pm

Not that I know of.

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Postby Free South Califas » Thu Jul 18, 2013 8:33 pm

Battlion wrote:Again, to people who aren't keen on registration can someone tell me why?

Do you promise not to ignore it this time?

Battlion wrote:Is there any other reason for opposition to the VRA bar "it ruins the RP" which isn't even a valid excuse...


Excuse?

Senator, your work is not automatically valid and requiring some "excuse" to oppose it. Our opinions are valid because we offer them. You can choose to criticize them, but I don't see any substantive criticism here.

All it asks is there is a list of people who can vote by simply saying "I wish to vote", it prevents the feared boneyard resurrections during the election and makes it much fairer.

It's sensible and it ensures a fair election

I'm not convinced you quite understand the system you're trying to reform yet. Regardless, see below.

Oneracon wrote:
Ainin wrote:Why not...
"6.The Commissioner of Elections shall not vote in Presidential Elections?


Well for the purposes of this Act "vote" refers to voting in a presidential election, I'll update the wording for clarity

1. In which democracies is there an attempt to limit Senators voting on anything?

2. Anyway, we vote through our NS accounts; how is this bill supposed to affect that OOCly, and isn't such metagaming properly left to the Administrators?

3. This addresses a non-problem, regardless. All claims of systematic election fraud have been debunked, and all come from the same side that has abused our voting system and then claimed it was precedent. I don't blame the new rightist Senators for getting swept up in the fervor, but those who have been around longer should be ashamed of themselves.

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How is saying "I want to vote" in a thread and ticking a box in your Senate application a hurdle... It's not a hurdle at all.

Why would a Senator have to sign up to vote? According to the RP, our constituents elected us. It's our job to vote. If we don't vote at all, we might as well quit the Senate.

This.

Belmaria wrote:
Oneracon wrote:Presidential Election Procedures Act has been submitted, reposting the VRA for visibility.

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Authors: Battlion [NLP], Oneracon [RG] | Co-Authors: Aeken [LD], Mishmahig [Ind.], The Realm of God [PC]
Sponsors: Gallup [NIFP], United Soviet Jason Republic [LFP]


The Senate of the Aurentine Commonwealth,

RECOGNIZING that order must be imposed in the electoral process;

OBSERVING that a simple registration system would be the best prevention of fraudulent votes;

HEREBY ENACTS the following:

    Register of Electors
  1. The Electoral Commission shall maintain a Register of Electors.
  2. Any senator may apply to the Register of Electors at any time except during either round of a presidential election.
  3. Senators shall remain on the Register of the Electors for the duration of the time they serve as a Senator.
  4. Applications to become a senator shall include a box asking "Do you wish to be added to the Register of Electors for presidential elections?"

    Candidacy and Voting
  5. Only Senators who are on the Register of Electors shall be eligible to vote or run a presidential election.

I'm afraid I don't understand why we need this bill. What is the purpose of the register of electors?

Senator, it sounds to me like you understand the bill completely.
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Postby Free South Califas » Thu Jul 18, 2013 8:37 pm

I'll sponsor your aviation bill, Kamchastkia...

Can anyone tell me if Ministers like MoI are voted upon?

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