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Postby Sinfulthep » Mon Feb 26, 2024 10:24 pm

I’m am making a draft let me know if there needs to be anything change


Dear esteemed members of the World Assembly,

I am writing to propose a resolution to repeal World Assembly Resolution "Condemn Kampf Empire". While this resolution may have been warranted at the time of its passing, it is important to reevaluate its validity and relevance in the present day.

The Kampf Empire, as outlined in the original resolution, no longer exists in the form it once did. The restructuring and collapse of the Empire in 2019 have led to a significant shift in power dynamics and governance within the region. It would be unjust and unfair to continue to condemn a nation that no longer exists in the same capacity.

Furthermore, the resolution presents a biased and exaggerated portrayal of the actions of the Kampf Empire. While it is crucial to address human rights abuses and violence, condemnations must be based on current and accurate information. The resolution fails to acknowledge any potential changes or improvements that may have taken place within the region since its passing.

In conclusion, I believe it is time to reassess the relevance of "Condemn Kampf Empire" and consider repealing it. As responsible members of the World Assembly, we must strive for fairness and accuracy in our condemnations and not cling to outdated grievances.

Thank you for your attention to this matter. I trust that you will give careful consideration to this proposal and act in the best interest of justice and integrity within the World Assembly.

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Postby Stalin as a DEAT » Mon Feb 26, 2024 11:18 pm

Yeah, this

A) goes in the SC, and
B) is a 1a violation

Oh yeah and
C) I suspect this was ChatGPT-written, I’m not sure but if it was, delete it and write a human-written version
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Postby The Overmind » Mon Feb 26, 2024 11:27 pm

Stalin as a DEAT wrote:C) I suspect this was ChatGPT-written, I’m not sure but if it was, delete it and write a human-written version


Good catch. Four ChatGPT detectors agree with your assessment.
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Postby Keltionialang » Mon Feb 26, 2024 11:29 pm

ChatGPT, pointless repeal.
Against even if this was legal and human written, or even submitted in the right forum, for that matter.
Try again when you can actually write your own proposals.
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Postby Cyptopir » Tue Feb 27, 2024 12:57 am

The Overmind wrote:
Stalin as a DEAT wrote:C) I suspect this was ChatGPT-written, I’m not sure but if it was, delete it and write a human-written version


Good catch. Four ChatGPT detectors agree with your assessment.

This proposal is probably ChatGPT, yeah. But aren't ChatGPT detectors fake, snake oil-esque tools that have abysmal accuracy ratings?
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Postby Refuge Isle » Tue Feb 27, 2024 12:58 am

Relocated to the SC board.

Note that proposals need to be written from the World Assembly's perspective, not as a personal essay or campaign speech. SC proposals also need to have an operative clause stating what they actually do.

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Postby Bhang Bhang Duc » Tue Feb 27, 2024 1:46 am

The Overmind wrote:
Stalin as a DEAT wrote:C) I suspect this was ChatGPT-written, I’m not sure but if it was, delete it and write a human-written version


Good catch. Four ChatGPT detectors agree with your assessment.

No need for ChatGPT detectors - all you have to do is look at their introduction to the draft and the poor grammar there and compare it to the text submitted.
I’m am making a draft let me know if there needs to be anything change

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Postby The Overmind » Tue Feb 27, 2024 4:01 am

Cyptopir wrote:
The Overmind wrote:
Good catch. Four ChatGPT detectors agree with your assessment.

This proposal is probably ChatGPT, yeah. But aren't ChatGPT detectors fake, snake oil-esque tools that have abysmal accuracy ratings?


No, and their interrater reliability is a testament to that.

Bhang Bhang Duc wrote:No need for ChatGPT detectors - all you have to do is look at their introduction to the draft and the poor grammar there and compare it to the text submitted.


I didn't read nearly close enough to notice that. My interaction with this thread was seeing it in the wrong forum and requesting for it to be moved to the right place. Using the ChatGPT detectors was ex post facto and confirmatory, after it had already been suggested that that's what was going on.
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Postby Sinfulthep » Tue Feb 27, 2024 5:29 am

The Overmind wrote:
Cyptopir wrote:This proposal is probably ChatGPT, yeah. But aren't ChatGPT detectors fake, snake oil-esque tools that have abysmal accuracy ratings?


No, and their interrater reliability is a testament to that.

Bhang Bhang Duc wrote:No need for ChatGPT detectors - all you have to do is look at their introduction to the draft and the poor grammar there and compare it to the text submitted.


I didn't read nearly close enough to notice that. My interaction with this thread was seeing it in the wrong forum and requesting for it to be moved to the right place. Using the ChatGPT detectors was ex post facto and confirmatory, after it had already been suggested that that's what was going on.



I need people to stay on topic regardless of the formatting . I can care less about the format remember it’s a draft. Criticism is highly encouraged but I need some feedback on the situation here . Do you think it should be repealed ?
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Postby The Overmind » Tue Feb 27, 2024 5:41 am

Sinfulthep wrote:
The Overmind wrote:
No, and their interrater reliability is a testament to that.



I didn't read nearly close enough to notice that. My interaction with this thread was seeing it in the wrong forum and requesting for it to be moved to the right place. Using the ChatGPT detectors was ex post facto and confirmatory, after it had already been suggested that that's what was going on.



I need people to stay on topic regardless of the formatting . I can care less about the format remember it’s a draft. Criticism is highly encouraged but I need some feedback on the situation here . Do you think it should be repealed ?


I'm going to echo everyone else's sentiments. If you're serious about this, carefully rewrite it from scratch without using ChatGPT, and then see how it goes from there.
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Postby Bhang Bhang Duc » Tue Feb 27, 2024 5:58 am

Sinfulthep wrote:
The Overmind wrote:
No, and their interrater reliability is a testament to that.



I didn't read nearly close enough to notice that. My interaction with this thread was seeing it in the wrong forum and requesting for it to be moved to the right place. Using the ChatGPT detectors was ex post facto and confirmatory, after it had already been suggested that that's what was going on.



I need people to stay on topic regardless of the formatting . I can care less about the format remember it’s a draft. Criticism is highly encouraged but I need some feedback on the situation here . Do you think it should be repealed ?

What you need is of no concern. You are using an AI created draft, you have no idea of the SC rules as one can see from the number of illegalities in the draft and the Condemnation does not need repealing. Also you have no idea why SC Condemnations are granted in the first place.

All in all it’s a bloody awful badge hunt.
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Bhang Bhang Duc wrote:
Sinfulthep wrote:

I need people to stay on topic regardless of the formatting . I can care less about the format remember it’s a draft. Criticism is highly encouraged but I need some feedback on the situation here . Do you think it should be repealed ?

What you need is of no concern. You are using an AI created draft, you have no idea of the SC rules as one can see from the number of illegalities in the draft and the Condemnation does not need repealing. Also you have no idea why SC Condemnations are granted in the first place.

All in all it’s a bloody awful badge hunt.

Just realized I read your feedback on drafts in a Gordon Ramsay voice
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Postby Rosartemis » Tue Feb 27, 2024 6:06 am

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Bhang Bhang Duc wrote:What you need is of no concern. You are using an AI created draft, you have no idea of the SC rules as one can see from the number of illegalities in the draft and the Condemnation does not need repealing. Also you have no idea why SC Condemnations are granted in the first place.

All in all it’s a bloody awful badge hunt.

Just realized I read your feedback on drafts in a Gordon Ramsay voice

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Postby Bhang Bhang Duc » Tue Feb 27, 2024 6:26 am

Rosartemis wrote:
Omphalos wrote:Just realized I read your feedback on drafts in a Gordon Ramsay voice

Holy shit, I've been imagining that for so long and I didn't even realize until you mentioned it

Thanks Rosa. :)

Edit: actually I hear myself more as a Malcolm Tucker (Peter Capaldi) from “The Thick Of It”, only not so sweary.

It’s a political satire shown on the BBC some years ago now if you hadn’t heard of it.
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Sedgistan wrote:The SC has just has a spate of really shitty ones recently from Northumbria, his Watermelon fanboy…..

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Postby Sinfulthep » Tue Feb 27, 2024 6:40 am

Bhang Bhang Duc wrote:
Sinfulthep wrote:

I need people to stay on topic regardless of the formatting . I can care less about the format remember it’s a draft. Criticism is highly encouraged but I need some feedback on the situation here . Do you think it should be repealed ?

What you need is of no concern. You are using an AI created draft, you have no idea of the SC rules as one can see from the number of illegalities in the draft and the Condemnation does not need repealing. Also you have no idea why SC Condemnations are granted in the first place.

All in all it’s a bloody awful badge hunt.


Ok where does it say in the reference on what can I do ? Show me the rules and the guidelines sir . Let me get this clear you’re telling me things based on opinions or you’re telling me based on facts? So educate me . Your not bringing a solution it’s counterproductive .
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Postby Cyptopir » Tue Feb 27, 2024 6:42 am

Sinfulthep wrote:
Bhang Bhang Duc wrote:What you need is of no concern. You are using an AI created draft, you have no idea of the SC rules as one can see from the number of illegalities in the draft and the Condemnation does not need repealing. Also you have no idea why SC Condemnations are granted in the first place.

All in all it’s a bloody awful badge hunt.


Ok where does it say in the reference on what can I do ? Show me the rules and the guidelines sir . Let me get this clear you’re telling me things based on opinions or you’re telling me based on facts? So educate me . Your not bringing a solution it’s counterproductive .

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Sinfulthep wrote:
Bhang Bhang Duc wrote:What you need is of no concern. You are using an AI created draft, you have no idea of the SC rules as one can see from the number of illegalities in the draft and the Condemnation does not need repealing. Also you have no idea why SC Condemnations are granted in the first place.

All in all it’s a bloody awful badge hunt.


Ok where does it say in the reference on what can I do ? Show me the rules and the guidelines sir . Let me get this clear you’re telling me things based on opinions or you’re telling me based on facts? So educate me . Your not bringing a solution it’s counterproductive .

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Postby Sinfulthep » Tue Feb 27, 2024 6:44 am

Cyptopir wrote:
Sinfulthep wrote:
Ok where does it say in the reference on what can I do ? Show me the rules and the guidelines sir . Let me get this clear you’re telling me things based on opinions or you’re telling me based on facts? So educate me . Your not bringing a solution it’s counterproductive .

viewtopic.php?f=24&t=8809

Thank you . I’ll study this and create something new and original.

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Postby Sinfulthep » Tue Feb 27, 2024 6:49 am

Neonian Imperium wrote:
Sinfulthep wrote:
Ok where does it say in the reference on what can I do ? Show me the rules and the guidelines sir . Let me get this clear you’re telling me things based on opinions or you’re telling me based on facts? So educate me . Your not bringing a solution it’s counterproductive .

read this kid.

I don’t appreciate the way you text that like I’m a man . If you don’t have anything positive to say don’t message at all.

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Postby Bhadeshistan » Tue Feb 27, 2024 6:53 am

Sinfulthep wrote:
Neonian Imperium wrote:read this kid.

I don’t appreciate the way you text that like I’m a man . If you don’t have anything positive to say don’t message at all.

You can’t make a proposal totally written off Chat-GPT. Stop copying from AI and be original and clean. Enough said

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Postby Sinfulthep » Tue Feb 27, 2024 6:58 am

Bhadeshistan wrote:
Sinfulthep wrote:I don’t appreciate the way you text that like I’m a man . If you don’t have anything positive to say don’t message at all.

You can’t make a proposal totally written off Chat-GPT. Stop copying from AI and be original and clean. Enough said

What are you talking about ? We solved that issue 4 posts ago . You’re not bringing any new information the other gentlemen or ladies talked about . Let me ask you a question are you going help me write something new and original ? If your not then don’t say anything your just wasting my time .

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Postby Bhang Bhang Duc » Tue Feb 27, 2024 7:25 am

Sinfulthep wrote:
Bhadeshistan wrote:You can’t make a proposal totally written off Chat-GPT. Stop copying from AI and be original and clean. Enough said

What are you talking about ? We solved that issue 4 posts ago . You’re not bringing any new information the other gentlemen or ladies talked about . Let me ask you a question are you going help me write something new and original ? If your not then don’t say anything your just wasting my time .

Actually sunshine you’re wasting our time. We’re telling you what’s wrong with your draft and you’re not listening.

At the moment your draft is illegal for breaking rules 1(a), 1(b) and 1(c). Try and come back with something original, something you have written. That may take some time, involve a bit of research, a bit of hard work.

Personally, I think that’s a challenge beyond you at the moment.
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Sedgistan wrote:The SC has just has a spate of really shitty ones recently from Northumbria, his Watermelon fanboy…..

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Postby Crazy girl » Tue Feb 27, 2024 2:36 pm

Alright, cool it everyone.

Recommended reading would be the Security Council rules and Westinor's sticky may be of use too.

The locals here can be a little...direct, shall we say, but some of their criticisms are still valid. It's likely better to have a read of some previously successful proposals to get a feel for the Security council, research your topic and then write it.

It is a good first step to draft in this forum for feedback, though if you did use an AI to write this, I'd recommend against it as they do struggle writing anything that would be considered legal (and in my opinion would take the fun of creativity out of the writing process).

Hope that helps!

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Postby Wallenburg » Tue Feb 27, 2024 5:34 pm

One of the issues with AI stuff is that it doesn't know anything. In particular, they can't generate text about the specifics of NationStates or Kampf Empire, because their models don't weigh that heavily enough to include it or simply don't have it in their seed data. This means they create nothing but a vague, noncommittal gesture at flaws in the target. Were these arguments written by a human, they would be entirely unconvincing.
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Postby Outer Sparta » Sat Mar 02, 2024 6:32 am

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Bhadeshistan wrote:You can’t make a proposal totally written off Chat-GPT. Stop copying from AI and be original and clean. Enough said

What are you talking about ? We solved that issue 4 posts ago . You’re not bringing any new information the other gentlemen or ladies talked about . Let me ask you a question are you going help me write something new and original ? If your not then don’t say anything your just wasting my time .

You also still need to fix the current illegalities, particularly the usage of first-person perspective and not talking from the WA's perspective.
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