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[DRAFT] Commend Carcassonne

Postby Ladratia » Wed Feb 14, 2024 9:36 am

Hello SC forum! As a proud Carcassonnian/Carcassonais/Carcassonnaise, I feel we should commend my homeland. I am new to all of this, so please give feedback! The following is my first draft:

"The security council,

Valuing the vibrant community and democratic, representative government that Carcassonne possesses, through fair election processes and wonderful friendships and activities, the Crowned Republic's usage and support of ranked-choice voting and informative newspaper aptly named "the Voice of the People" are two of the many examples of this idea,

Emphasizing that Carcassonne is one of the disgustingly large number of areas in the multiverse which deserve a commendation to hasten their growth, express their displays of unconditional positivity and reason, and set an example for regions and nations everywhere,

Duly noting the undying loyalty of said organization to it's treaty partners, such as the North Pacific, despite still being in it's youth,

Empowering the Carcassonnais acceptance of non-human animal species, including wild raccoons in, with Procites ruling, the Procyonid Republic, wolves in the land of Ysengrim, elephants roaming the jungles of Epithemia, koalas dominating Porfloxonne, a literal duck as head of state in Saltidia, and incomprehensibly adorable guinea pigs in Ladratia,

Honoring the contributions of Carcassonne's Grand Army to the fight against hatred, fascism, and other despicable ideologies time and time again, take Hellish Dominion of Abysmal Torment and Grosland Ebenen for instance, as these relics are commonly cited on the topic,

Referencing the trend of culturally rich Carcassonnais nations to defy odds and expectations in the Security Council, specifically regarding their preemptive injunction,

Hereby commends Carcassonne"

I don't really expect this to go anywhere, let alone be considered well written or pass, but I felt I should give it a try to get some advice.
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Postby Ladratia » Wed Feb 14, 2024 9:52 am

For the record, this isn't a government project, just a me thing to reach out and see other's opinions on the matter.
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Postby Bhang Bhang Duc » Wed Feb 14, 2024 10:24 am

Ladratia wrote:
"The security council,

Valuing the vibrant community and democratic, representative government that Carcassonne possesses, through fair election processes and wonderful friendships and activities, the Crowned Republic's usage and support of ranked-choice voting and informative newspaper aptly named "the Voice of the People" are two of the many examples of this idea,

I could find dozens of other regions that meet these criteria, so not Commendable.

Ladratia wrote: Emphasizing that Carcassonne is one of the disgustingly large number of areas in the multiverse which deserve a commendation to hasten their growth, express their displays of unconditional positivity and reason, and set an example for regions and nations everywhere,

Commendations do nothing for growth and they are only handed to nations/regions with a long history of positive achievements.

Ladratia wrote: Duly noting the undying loyalty of said organization to it's treaty partners, such as the North Pacific, despite still being in it's youth,

Not Commendable.

Ladratia wrote: Empowering the Carcassonnais acceptance of non-human animal species, including wild raccoons in, with Procites ruling, the Procyonid Republic, wolves in the land of Ysengrim, elephants roaming the jungles of Epithemia, koalas dominating Porfloxonne, a literal duck as head of state in Saltidia, and incomprehensibly adorable guinea pigs in Ladratia,

Pure fluff, filler.

Ladratia wrote: Honoring the contributions of Carcassonne's Grand Army to the fight against hatred, fascism, and other despicable ideologies time and time again, take Hellish Dominion of Abysmal Torment and Grosland Ebenen for instance, as these relics are commonly cited on the topic,

Wasn’t HDAT ours i.e. TWPAF? I think you just helped.

Ladratia wrote: Referencing the trend of culturally rich Carcassonnais nations to defy odds and expectations in the Security Council, specifically regarding their preemptive injunction,

A clause that makes no sense.

Ladratia wrote:Hereby commends Carcassonne"

Self-praise is no virtue.

Your region has not been around long enough to gather a portfolio of achievements. Have a look at regional Commendations that have passed to see the standard required.

That said your draft is fairly well written and legal as far as I can see.

Edit: yep, TWPAF took down HDAT.
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Postby Improper Classifications » Wed Feb 14, 2024 10:26 am

I think that it'll be a hot second before we see any Frontier commendations passing, mostly because of the volatility. There could be a large-scale invasion or regime change of Carcassonne the day it gets commended, and then the SC has to waste precious time energy on a repeal, etc, etc.
Additionally, most commendations are given for years upon years of continuous dignified service. Carcassonne hasn't even been a Frontier for a year yet. I'd rather wait and see how it plays out.
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Postby Ladratia » Wed Feb 14, 2024 10:49 am

Bhang Bhang Duc wrote:snip cuz long


Each number corresponds to a comment regarding a specific part of my message.

1. I agree. I was wondering if people supported commendations becoming more commonplace, could be less of an "incredibly outstanding region/nation award" and more of a "SC seal of approval" but that's still a good point.
2. ^ + A new nation could see the commendation and decide to look more favorably on said region.
3. I'll change that if I ever do a second draft in the, probably far, future.
4.I think that's probably the only thing in your post I disagree with. I think it shows our culture more directly, even if animal themes are commonplace. We like animals, that's all I meant to say.
5. Correct, we just helped. It's the sentiment that counts with such an experimental draft.
6. Yeah that wording sucked.
7. If self-praise directs nations to developed governments and communities then it just might be a virtue. I understand that if all regions have commendations no regions do, but we're the third largest frontier as I write this which is a fair achievement in my book.
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Postby Ladratia » Wed Feb 14, 2024 10:51 am

Improper Classifications wrote:I think that it'll be a hot second before we see any Frontier commendations passing, mostly because of the volatility. There could be a large-scale invasion or regime change of Carcassonne the day it gets commended, and then the SC has to waste precious time energy on a repeal, etc, etc.
Additionally, most commendations are given for years upon years of continuous dignified service. Carcassonne hasn't even been a Frontier for a year yet. I'd rather wait and see how it plays out.

It's mostly a discussion topic rather than an actual proposal, though I might propose it anyway.
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Postby Aason » Wed Feb 14, 2024 11:06 am

We’re so accepting of non human species that our Minister of Education is a raccoon, our Minster of Worldbuilding is a duck, and even an our own Emperor is a werewolf!Also, great draft
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Postby Bhang Bhang Duc » Wed Feb 14, 2024 11:13 am

Aason wrote:We’re so accepting of non human species that our Minister of Education is a raccoon, our Minster of Worldbuilding is a duck, and even an our own Emperor is a werewolf!Also, great draft

Wonderful, brilliant, fantastic. But it’s not Commendable.
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Postby Bormiar » Wed Feb 14, 2024 12:01 pm

Ladratia wrote:
Bhang Bhang Duc wrote:snip cuz long

I was wondering if people supported commendations becoming more commonplace, could be less of an "incredibly outstanding region/nation award" and more of a "SC seal of approval" but that's still a good point.

Some of the bigger regions when I joined NS were Equinox and Firehelm. Have you ever heard of them? It takes a lot of time and energy for a region to imprint a wide and lasting legacy on NationStates. That’s why we distribute C&Cs so sparingly to regions.

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Postby Bhang Bhang Duc » Wed Feb 14, 2024 12:02 pm

Ladratia wrote:
Each number corresponds to a comment regarding a specific part of my message.

1. I agree. I was wondering if people supported commendations becoming more commonplace, could be less of an "incredibly outstanding region/nation award" and more of a "SC seal of approval" but that's still a good point.

Sure, yes, let’s lower the standards. Not going to happen.
Ladratia wrote: 2. ^ + A new nation could see the commendation and decide to look more favorably on said region.

A new nation knows diddly-squat about what a C&C means as can surmised from the crap drafts and submissions many of them make.
Ladratia wrote: 3. I'll change that if I ever do a second draft in the, probably far, future.

In reality it’s just more filler.
Ladratia wrote: 4.I think that's probably the only thing in your post I disagree with. I think it shows our culture more directly, even if animal themes are commonplace. We like animals, that's all I meant to say.

It’s still fluff.
Ladratia wrote: 5. Correct, we just helped. It's the sentiment that counts with such an experimental draft.

Sentiment doesn’t count.
Ladratia wrote: 7. If self-praise directs nations to developed governments and communities then it just might be a virtue. I understand that if all regions have commendations no regions do, but we're the third largest frontier as I write this which is a fair achievement in my book.

No prizes for coming third.
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Postby Saltidia » Wed Feb 14, 2024 12:13 pm

I have not read anything yet, but I give this full support. :D
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Postby Astrobolt » Wed Feb 14, 2024 12:44 pm

Regional self commends are typically frowned upon.
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Postby Ladratia » Wed Feb 14, 2024 3:10 pm

Bhang Bhang Duc wrote:snap cuz long

I'm beginning to see why TWP uses the motto "snarky and free" but thanks for the advice regardless.
Astrobolt wrote:Regional self commends are typically frowned upon.

I'm aware.
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Ladratia wrote:I was wondering if people supported commendations becoming more commonplace, could be less of an "incredibly outstanding region/nation award" and more of a "SC seal of approval" but that's still a good point.

Some of the bigger regions when I joined NS were Equinox and Firehelm. Have you ever heard of them? It takes a lot of time and energy for a region to imprint a wide and lasting legacy on NationStates. That’s why we distribute C&Cs so sparingly to regions.

Good point, I thank you for giving more in-depth explanations than others :clap:
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Postby Sporaltryus » Wed Feb 14, 2024 6:16 pm

Against. Carcassonne has not accomplished enough and been nearly as historic as other commended regions.
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Ladratia wrote:
Bormiar wrote:Some of the bigger regions when I joined NS were Equinox and Firehelm. Have you ever heard of them? It takes a lot of time and energy for a region to imprint a wide and lasting legacy on NationStates. That’s why we distribute C&Cs so sparingly to regions.

Good point, I thank you for giving more in-depth explanations than others :clap:

BBD is just bored. :P

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Ladratia wrote:
Bhang Bhang Duc wrote:snap cuz long

I'm beginning to see why TWP uses the motto "snarky and free" but thanks for the advice regardless.
I could’ve told you that :P

Oh, and uh. I wouldn’t advise perusing this. Carcassonne are great, definitely wonderful having you guys around on raids and I’m happy we have relations, but I don’t think it’s quite commend-level. Maybe revisit this in a few years, for most regions it takes at least a decade :P
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Postby Refuge Isle » Wed Feb 14, 2024 9:52 pm

Just wanted to note that your region tags are "region-tag" tags, used for tags like Offsite Chat, Casual, Featured, etc. They will not point to the regions you've wrapped them around. That is a regular "region" tag.
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Postby Bhang Bhang Duc » Thu Feb 15, 2024 1:09 am

Bormiar wrote:
Ladratia wrote:
Good point, I thank you for giving more in-depth explanations than others :clap:

BBD is just bored. :P

Hey, at least I didn’t dismiss it as “just another badge hunt”. :)
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Postby Ladratia » Thu Feb 15, 2024 12:09 pm

Varanius wrote:
Ladratia wrote:I'm beginning to see why TWP uses the motto "snarky and free" but thanks for the advice regardless.
I could’ve told you that :P

Oh, and uh. I wouldn’t advise perusing this. Carcassonne are great, definitely wonderful having you guys around on raids and I’m happy we have relations, but I don’t think it’s quite commend-level. Maybe revisit this in a few years, for most regions it takes at least a decade :P

Agreed! Glad to hear y'alls voices on the matter, though.
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Postby Outer Sparta » Fri Feb 16, 2024 2:34 am

I don't see Carcassonne as a commendable region, at least not yet. Its accomplishments don't stand out on the world stage compared to other regions who have made a notable mark on the game.

At least you drafted it here to gauge some feedback.
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Postby Simone Republic » Wed Feb 28, 2024 8:57 am

As I told the author, come back in a year or two, and let some of Carcassonne's friends (of which there's plenty) once Carcassonne has chalked up some good accomplishments.
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Postby Fachumonn » Sat Mar 02, 2024 7:35 pm

Generally, it is frowned upon in the SC to self commend.

As a message to the OP - Only regions with the most history and best accomplishments will get commended. While I understand it's a big region, correct me if I'm wrong, it's less than a year old.

If the region compiles commendable things, then eventually, sure, but I'm not sure it's ready for a commend yet.
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