[DEFEATED] Repeal: Liberate Eternal Scholars

[Bears Armed Mission]

Mathematically, switching delegates is probably not going to be enough. The only way to get this to fail now would be if regions asked their constituent nations to switch their votes.

I posted a request yesterday in the IDU: So far the ratio there has changed from 13F:4A to 8F:9A...

[Sygian II]

If the repeal does not pass, I plan on repealing the liberation once The Invaders leave and the native delegate has sustainable control over the region.

I would advise re-conferring with the native delegate to see if they still support a repeal after the recent events, very clearly and objectively outlying to them what a liberation gives and what it takes away with both its presense and its repeal.

While I have no doubt your intentions are good, it's important to do stuff by the book, especialy in such circumstance in which a native's opinion may shift.

Will do!

Everyone give a hand for Tim, proving that some defenders can be helpful.

[Old Tyrannia]

It is slowly looking like to might turn and we have enough time. I switched my vote after further evaluation of the situation. No need to pull out yet until the bastard nazi fascists are gone

Libertaria auro: given that it is unclear whether this is intended to be an IC or OOC post, I'm going to give you an unofficial warning for flaming. Check the rules and in future avoid OOC attacks on other players.

[Kaboomlandia]

It'll be close for sure. We're out of superdelegates, but about 360 votes' worth of small delegates and individual nations need to switch.

[Bhang Bhang Duc]

It'll be close for sure. We're out of superdelegates, but about 360 votes' worth of small delegates and individual nations need to switch.

I've sent a region-wide WA campaign telegram within TWP asking WA members to switch their vote to "Against".

[Aimdar-Goomdar]

Looks like Delegates are beginning to switch...

I'm about 30% through all Delegates.

It appears that the tide is turning!

I'm only about 2/3 through all WA Delegates so far on the API, so there's still a lot of delegates that are going to be contacted.

P.S. If all "Other Delegates" switched, we would be able to completely flip the voting to AGAINST.

Well, I've done all I could do. We'll just have to hope that WA common folk vote "AGAINST."

[Tretrid]

To hurry up the process, mass TGs should be handed out. Shame that I don't have any.

[The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp]

"So, I just embarked on the largest telegram campaign my nation has ever done to vote against Repeal: Liberate Eternal Scholars. 267 mass telegrams sent and individual 20 campaign telegrams sent."

[Aimdar-Goomdar]

To hurry up the process, mass TGs should be handed out. Shame that I don't have any.

I've already done that - through API. All we can do now is wait; WA Delegates don't want another of the same telegram.

[Sygian II]

To hurry up the process, mass TGs should be handed out. Shame that I don't have any.

I've already done that - through API. All we can do now is wait; WA Delegates don't want another of the same telegram.

Oh trust me, they've had enough thanks to the disorganized campaigning against the repeal. Trying to prevent them from being annoyed isn't going to work, as I'm sure they all have their Campaign TGs turned off now.

[Mikeswill]

Against Security Council Statement

World Factbook Entry: Welcome to "NationStates", aiming to become one of the strongest ranking regions. Pro-Economy, Pro-Society, Pro-WA, Pro-Peace; Join our glory! Above all freedom for all nations to control their own destinies in a region free from war.
For over eight years our Region has supported the WA (UN) as an essential community of Peace and International Society. Although, at times, We differ greatly with the World Assembly, We, as a Region, continue to believe in essence of this establishment. Relative to The Security Council We stand AGAINST this body for the following Reasons:

LIBERATION PROPOSALS:
The bottom line is that when Defenders lose in the field of battle they result to cowardice and change the rules of play. I have kept my Region Raider free for 12+ years by keen vigilance to the Game Play throughout the JenGuv World. This has included Puppets and Spies and infiltration of Regions. Such is the way of the Rules which I accepted when I created my Nation on October 28, 2003. If a Region cannot defend itself, too bad! The leadership should have been responsible. These SC Resolutions tilt the balance to Elitist who determine what is a Raid and what is Liberation by manipulating the Rules. It is like playing with a brat who takes away the toys when the outcome goes against his bias. The only security I have in my Region aside from Endorsements is the RIGHT as Delegate to Password my Region against any threat. If this RIGHT is at the whim of the SC then have the game makers remove all password abilities across the board thereby removing this continued farce of hypocrisy.



As such we petitioned the Moderators and were successful in the creation of the TAG: Anti-Security Council.



The Mikes Hope Essence of Mikeswill
WA Delegate
NationStates Region

[Aimdar-Goomdar]

Against Security Council Statement

World Factbook Entry: Welcome to "NationStates", aiming to become one of the strongest ranking regions. Pro-Economy, Pro-Society, Pro-WA, Pro-Peace; Join our glory! Above all freedom for all nations to control their own destinies in a region free from war.
For over eight years our Region has supported the WA (UN) as an essential community of Peace and International Society. Although, at times, We differ greatly with the World Assembly, We, as a Region, continue to believe in essence of this establishment. Relative to The Security Council We stand AGAINST this body for the following Reasons:

LIBERATION PROPOSALS:
The bottom line is that when Defenders lose in the field of battle they result to cowardice and change the rules of play. I have kept my Region Raider free for 12+ years by keen vigilance to the Game Play throughout the JenGuv World. This has included Puppets and Spies and infiltration of Regions. Such is the way of the Rules which I accepted when I created my Nation on October 28, 2003. If a Region cannot defend itself, too bad! The leadership should have been responsible. These SC Resolutions tilt the balance to Elitist who determine what is a Raid and what is Liberation by manipulating the Rules. It is like playing with a brat who takes away the toys when the outcome goes against his bias. The only security I have in my Region aside from Endorsements is the RIGHT as Delegate to Password my Region against any threat. If this RIGHT is at the whim of the SC then have the game makers remove all password abilities across the board thereby removing this continued farce of hypocrisy.



As such we petitioned the Moderators and were successful in the creation of the TAG: Anti-Security Council.



The Mikes Hope Essence of Mikeswill
WA Delegate
NationStates Region

Firstly, I understand that you reject the Security Council and dislike how its Liberations take away the power to password from the WA Delegate, but you haven't exactly shown your stance on this Repeal. Secondly, though you may have kept your region safe from infiltration and destruction for some time, there are some much less lucky, such as Eternal Scholars. Since they aren't an established region, without a founder, they can't properly defend themselves, and since other regions have founders, they are at a disadvantage.

NationStates, however, had an advantage. When your region was founded, it was founded at a time where other regions also only had WA Delegates, and as a result, everyone was at the same footing. Since your region had the luck to develop itself during that time and be able to defend itself before Founders got rolled in, you weren't put in the difficult situation that many founderless or unestablished old regions are in today.

You say that you've protected your own region, but that's only because you've managed to establish it before Founders came up. If you were a WA Delegate of a founderless region today, you probably wouldn't stand a chance. You may keep saying that you've accepted the "Rules which I accepted when I created my Nation on October 28, 2003," but those were different Rules and a different World. There aren't the same rules and world today, and therefore your argument does not apply to the regions of today, especially to the helpless regions such as Eternal Scholars.

Therefore, I suggest that for once, you support a Liberation and vote "AGAINST" for "Repeal 'Liberate Eternal Scholars.'" The region may have been around for some time, but they hadn't had the luck to establish themselves, especially after they became founderless. In their world, they had to constantly fight against stronger regions with founders. In your world, the world that had "Rules which I accepted when I created my Nation on October 28, 2003?" Not as fierce and dangerous to founderless regions as today.

[Maljaratas]

I must say, I voted against a while ago.
It's pretty exciting right now, I see that the votes for outnumber the votes against by all of 13 votes!

Your campaigns must be working.

Edit: 2 Votes Difference!

[The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp]

"Holy crud guys, 8,830 Against, For 8,844

KEEP PUSHING BACK!"

[Drasnia]

I am quite impressed.

[The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp]

OOC:play this song

[Maljaratas]

I am quite impressed.

(Image)

I was going to post that

I got this though:
https://i.imgur.com/zuJAMAj.png

[The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp]

"WE ARE DOING IT! KEEP PUSHING! WE ARE IN THE LEAD BY ONE VOTE!"

[The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp]

OOC: Where did that 200 votes come from?

[Maljaratas]

OOC: Where did that 200 votes come from?

The delegate of Osiris, Neo Kervoskia, switched his/her vote to For.

[The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp]

OOC: Where did that 200 votes come from?

The delegate of Osiris, Neo Kervoskia, switched his/her vote to For.

Why?

Just TGd, 185 people who endorsed him/her to switch there vote against.

[The Laurentian Federation]

The delegate of Osiris, Neo Kervoskia, switched his/her vote to For.

Why?

Just TGd, 185 people who endorsed him/her to switch there vote against.

The Invaders Delegate voted FOR

[The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp]

Why?

Just TGd, 185 people who endorsed him/her to switch there vote against.

The Invaders Delegate voted FOR

I thought it was beacuse this dude voted for?

[Kaboomlandia]

Holy shit this is close.

[United States of United States Of]

It's mighty close RN. To close to call a definite victory.