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[SUBMITTED] Liberate Social Liberal Union

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[SUBMITTED] Liberate Social Liberal Union

Postby UED » Sat Oct 08, 2016 12:21 am

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Please, to anyone who reads this, do not support the Liberation attempt by Filthy Casual. Casual's Liberation attempt is suspicious because his nation has created just 10 hours ago (As of the time this post has been edited) and there are suspicions that Casual is not friendly to the interests of the Social Liberal Union. I would like to point out that Filthy Casual has left the World Assembly the same day s/he joined it. PLEASE DO NOT SUPPORT FILTHY CASUAL'S LIBERATION PROPOSAL.

Liberate Social Liberal Union

The World Assembly,

Noting the influence of Social Liberal Union as one of the oldest and largest strongholds of liberalism in the NationStates community.

Acknowledging the infiltration and occupation of the Social Liberal Union by The Invader Network because of a "deep sleeper operation" that succeeded in overthrowing the democratically elected Delegate Mons Garle.

Disheartened by the prospect of the Social Liberal Union falling under permanent control of its occupiers and forcefully turned into a trophy region should nothing be done to stop the occupation force.

Stressing that the world must not stand idle to such aggression.

Wishing for the intervention of the Security Council so that Social Liberal Union can be retaken by its native nations.

Recalling how the The Invader Network is comprised of member states such as The Invaders which have made trophy regions out of once proud regions such as The Grey Wardens and United Defenders League.

Determined to stop Social Liberal Union from suffering a similar fate.

Hereby Liberates Social Liberal Union.


This is my first time writing a proposal so please feel free to criticize me. I've been part of the WA for years but I'm not super certain I got all the rules down correctly because of inexperience writing proposals.
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Postby Bhang Bhang Duc » Sat Oct 08, 2016 3:45 am

I'll try and get a longer look at your resolution later, bit pushed for time at the moment. However, on a first read through there doesn't appear to be any illegalities in it.
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Postby We Are Not the NSA » Sat Oct 08, 2016 10:08 am

UED wrote:The World Assembly,

Acknowledging the influence of Social Liberal Union as one of the oldest and largest strongholds of liberalism in the NationStates community.

NationStates is spelt with an uppercase "S".
Witnessing the infiltration and occupation of the Social Liberal Union by The Invader Network because of a "deep sleeper operation" that succeeded in overthrowing Mons Garle.

I would change "acknowledging" to "noting" in the previous clause, then use "acknowledging" here instead of "witnessing". I also suggest throwing in a "the rightfully/democratically elected Delegate" before Mons Garle.
Recognizing that Social Liberal Union will be under the permanent control of its occupiers and turned into a trophy region should nothing be done to stop the occupation force.

Admiring the incredible power of the natives of the Social Liberal Union for having remained free from foreign occupations until now despite having been a region without a founder for years.

This clause seems like it would be more at home in a Commendation.
Wishing for the intervention of the Security Council so that Social Liberal Union can be retaken by its native nations.

Recalling how the The Invader Network is comprised of member states such as The Invaders which have made trophy regions out of once proud regions such as The Grey Wardens and United Defenders League.

Determined to stop Social Liberal Union from suffering a similar fate.

Hereby Liberates Social Liberal Union.

I was quite tired when I read this, so I may have missed something, but otherwise I do not see any illegalities or egregious spelling or grammar errors. It's really good for your first draft in the Security Council.
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Postby Bhang Bhang Duc » Sat Oct 08, 2016 10:22 am

NSA has done his usual excellent job of critiquing a draft proposal. Having read through your proposal a few times since I find I have nothing to add to his remarks, except to agree that it's a very good first attempt.
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Postby We Are Not the NSA » Sat Oct 08, 2016 12:22 pm

It seems as if someone else has already proposed a Liberation, and it is gaining approvals at a rate that is fast enough that it will make it to vote. Personally I think this draft is better, but it is likely that the other will be the one that is enacted.
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Postby Libetarian Republics » Sat Oct 08, 2016 5:20 pm

I like to know if natives of SLU have given their consent on proposing a liberation on their region.

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Postby Ever-Wandering Souls » Sat Oct 08, 2016 7:48 pm

I'm not sure if I trust that other proposal. Between:

9 hours ago: Filthy Casualz resigned from the World Assembly.
9 hours ago: Filthy Casualz submitted a proposal to the Security Council Liberation Board entitled "Liberate Social Liberal Union".
9 hours ago: Social Liberal Union was targeted for Liberation in a World Assembly proposal by Filthy Casualz.
9 hours ago: Filthy Casualz changed its national motto to "GET ON MA LEVEL".
9 hours ago: Filthy Casualz altered its national flag.
9 hours ago: Filthy Casualz altered its national flag.
9 hours ago: Filthy Casualz endorsed Notyoutopia.
9 hours ago: Notyoutopia endorsed Filthy Casualz.
9 hours ago: Filthy Casualz endorsed Capinistria.
9 hours ago: Filthy Casualz endorsed Thick as Thieves.
9 hours ago: Capinistria endorsed Filthy Casualz.
10 hours ago: Filthy Casualz lodged a message on the The North Pacific Regional Message Board.
10 hours ago: Filthy Casualz endorsed Great Allemand.
10 hours ago: Thick as Thieves endorsed Filthy Casualz.
10 hours ago: Filthy Casualz lodged a message on the The North Pacific Regional Message Board.
10 hours ago: Filthy Casualz was admitted to the World Assembly.
10 hours ago: Filthy Casualz applied to join the World Assembly.
10 hours ago: Filthy Casualz relocated from The Pacific to The North Pacific.
10 hours ago: Filthy Casualz was founded in The Pacific.


...and the very clear effort to name and link regions (and even a nation) involved, I have strong suspicions about the intentions of the other rising resolution.
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Postby UED » Sat Oct 08, 2016 9:52 pm

Ever-Wandering Souls wrote:I'm not sure if I trust that other proposal. Between:

9 hours ago: Filthy Casualz resigned from the World Assembly.
9 hours ago: Filthy Casualz submitted a proposal to the Security Council Liberation Board entitled "Liberate Social Liberal Union".
9 hours ago: Social Liberal Union was targeted for Liberation in a World Assembly proposal by Filthy Casualz.
9 hours ago: Filthy Casualz changed its national motto to "GET ON MA LEVEL".
9 hours ago: Filthy Casualz altered its national flag.
9 hours ago: Filthy Casualz altered its national flag.
9 hours ago: Filthy Casualz endorsed Notyoutopia.
9 hours ago: Notyoutopia endorsed Filthy Casualz.
9 hours ago: Filthy Casualz endorsed Capinistria.
9 hours ago: Filthy Casualz endorsed Thick as Thieves.
9 hours ago: Capinistria endorsed Filthy Casualz.
10 hours ago: Filthy Casualz lodged a message on the The North Pacific Regional Message Board.
10 hours ago: Filthy Casualz endorsed Great Allemand.
10 hours ago: Thick as Thieves endorsed Filthy Casualz.
10 hours ago: Filthy Casualz lodged a message on the The North Pacific Regional Message Board.
10 hours ago: Filthy Casualz was admitted to the World Assembly.
10 hours ago: Filthy Casualz applied to join the World Assembly.
10 hours ago: Filthy Casualz relocated from The Pacific to The North Pacific.
10 hours ago: Filthy Casualz was founded in The Pacific.


...and the very clear effort to name and link regions (and even a nation) involved, I have strong suspicions about the intentions of the other rising resolution.


Jesus Christ
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This is absurd, I totally agree this guy's history is unusual...
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Libetarian Republics wrote:I like to know if natives of SLU have given their consent on proposing a liberation on their region.


I assure you I contacted all their leaders and got their approval.
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Postby UED » Sat Oct 08, 2016 9:54 pm

We Are Not the NSA wrote:
UED wrote:The World Assembly,

Acknowledging the influence of Social Liberal Union as one of the oldest and largest strongholds of liberalism in the NationStates community.

NationStates is spelt with an uppercase "S".
Witnessing the infiltration and occupation of the Social Liberal Union by The Invader Network because of a "deep sleeper operation" that succeeded in overthrowing Mons Garle.

I would change "acknowledging" to "noting" in the previous clause, then use "acknowledging" here instead of "witnessing". I also suggest throwing in a "the rightfully/democratically elected Delegate" before Mons Garle.
Recognizing that Social Liberal Union will be under the permanent control of its occupiers and turned into a trophy region should nothing be done to stop the occupation force.

Admiring the incredible power of the natives of the Social Liberal Union for having remained free from foreign occupations until now despite having been a region without a founder for years.

This clause seems like it would be more at home in a Commendation.
Wishing for the intervention of the Security Council so that Social Liberal Union can be retaken by its native nations.

Recalling how the The Invader Network is comprised of member states such as The Invaders which have made trophy regions out of once proud regions such as The Grey Wardens and United Defenders League.

Determined to stop Social Liberal Union from suffering a similar fate.

Hereby Liberates Social Liberal Union.

I was quite tired when I read this, so I may have missed something, but otherwise I do not see any illegalities or egregious spelling or grammar errors. It's really good for your first draft in the Security Council.


Thank you for the criticism! It is strongly appreciated by me :)
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Postby Navaronia » Sat Oct 08, 2016 10:01 pm

I believe that this proposal is much better than the latter option, including the remarks earlier about the proposer's history.

Seem's a little too fishy and I don't see anything wrong other than what the NSA man mentioned. I'm giving you support with this!

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Postby UED » Sat Oct 08, 2016 10:03 pm

Navaronia wrote:I believe that this proposal is much better than the latter option, including the remarks earlier about the proposer's history.

Seem's a little too fishy and I don't see anything wrong other than what the NSA man mentioned. I'm giving you support with this!


Thank you!
Also to all those who will read this, please vote against (And please do not approve if you are the delegate of your region) the effort to "Liberate Social Liberal Union" by Filthy Casual!
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Postby Portugal and Brazil and Algarves » Sat Oct 08, 2016 11:48 pm

A telegram campaign has been performed by a nation called Liberal Fortune to promote the other Liberation Proposal.

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Postby Ever-Wandering Souls » Sat Oct 08, 2016 11:58 pm

Portugal and Brazil and Algarves wrote:A telegram campaign has been performed by a nation called Liberal Fortune to promote the other Liberation Proposal.



Another newly founded nation. Would you look at that.

Methinks that is an attempt at a publicity stunt to get those region Names a global audience, expecting it tonfailmat fail at vote because of those who see it as what it is, or at worst, pass as a resolution such as this likely would have anyways, but in a manner that garners far more regional publicity. Noting that that wa vote is largely decided by a few large regions such as TNP and XKI, targeted campaigning at the offsite votes for these regions (that decide their WA vote) informing them of this situation may allow the other proposal to be defeated at vote, clearing the way for yours to follow and be passed.
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The color or what?..

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Postby Sea Lion » Sun Oct 09, 2016 12:15 am

With the incessant pleas to switch from the Liberation resolution in quorum to the Liberation resolution he just submitted, one has to wonder whether the author is merely looking for a shiny new badge. Liberations, no matter their content and/or authorship, will get the intended job done, and it is in the best interest of the natives to see a Liberation pass as soon as possible.
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Postby Ever-Wandering Souls » Sun Oct 09, 2016 12:18 am

Sea Lion wrote:With the incessant pleas to switch from the Liberation resolution in quorum to the Liberation resolution he just submitted, one has to wonder whether the author is merely looking for a shiny new badge. Liberations, no matter their content and/or authorship, will get the intended job done, and it is in the best interest of the natives to see a Liberation pass as soon as possible.


On the contrary, this author has barely touched on the subject. If one will pass either way, why not the one with honest intentions and native backing rather than the one that clear propeganfa and will further write the parties behind it into history?

I understand that, coming from my position, I'm not the most easy to trust source - but I have a certain respect for the SC. Having tried both, I've found it more advantageous to have the respect of the asssembly than to attempt to game it.
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The color or what?..

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Postby UED » Sun Oct 09, 2016 12:24 am

Sea Lion wrote:With the incessant pleas to switch from the Liberation resolution in quorum to the Liberation resolution he just submitted, one has to wonder whether the author is merely looking for a shiny new badge. Liberations, no matter their content and/or authorship, will get the intended job done, and it is in the best interest of the natives to see a Liberation pass as soon as possible.


Jesus Christ.

You know, I honestly have never been involved in the Security Council and I will tell you with full honestly I don't give a DAMN about shiny badges or not. Hell I actually didn't know you could get those if you authored stuff. You see, I'm submitting not because I want fame or glory, but because my friends from the Social Liberal Union are under danger of having their region stolen. We can all see that the raiders created this quorum liberation to not only glorify themselves but to also manipulate the system.

I assure you and everyone who sees this, I want no glory, I want no fame, I just want to help my friends.
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Postby Luxdonia » Sun Oct 09, 2016 3:39 am

UED wrote:
Sea Lion wrote:With the incessant pleas to switch from the Liberation resolution in quorum to the Liberation resolution he just submitted, one has to wonder whether the author is merely looking for a shiny new badge. Liberations, no matter their content and/or authorship, will get the intended job done, and it is in the best interest of the natives to see a Liberation pass as soon as possible.


Jesus Christ.

You know, I honestly have never been involved in the Security Council and I will tell you with full honestly I don't give a DAMN about shiny badges or not. Hell I actually didn't know you could get those if you authored stuff. You see, I'm submitting not because I want fame or glory, but because my friends from the Social Liberal Union are under danger of having their region stolen. We can all see that the raiders created this quorum liberation to not only glorify themselves but to also manipulate the system.

I assure you and everyone who sees this, I want no glory, I want no fame, I just want to help my friends.

If you want no fame and glory, why the hell have you submitted another liberation attempt when one has already achieved quorum and will be going to vote tomorrow?
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Postby Louisistan » Sun Oct 09, 2016 4:11 am

Luxdonia wrote:
UED wrote:
Jesus Christ.

You know, I honestly have never been involved in the Security Council and I will tell you with full honestly I don't give a DAMN about shiny badges or not. Hell I actually didn't know you could get those if you authored stuff. You see, I'm submitting not because I want fame or glory, but because my friends from the Social Liberal Union are under danger of having their region stolen. We can all see that the raiders created this quorum liberation to not only glorify themselves but to also manipulate the system.

I assure you and everyone who sees this, I want no glory, I want no fame, I just want to help my friends.

If you want no fame and glory, why the hell have you submitted another liberation attempt when one has already achieved quorum and will be going to vote tomorrow?
Could it have something to do with the fact that that other proposal spells "R A I D E R" with the first letters of each clause? Of course, I'm just guessing...
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Louisistan wrote:Could it have something to do with the fact that that other proposal spells "R A I D E R" with the first letters of each clause? Of course, I'm just guessing...

It does? Is that legal?
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Postby Vancovaria » Sun Oct 09, 2016 4:17 am

Louisistan wrote:
Luxdonia wrote:If you want no fame and glory, why the hell have you submitted another liberation attempt when one has already achieved quorum and will be going to vote tomorrow?
Could it have something to do with the fact that that other proposal spells "R A I D E R" with the first letters of each clause? Of course, I'm just guessing...


Yeah, it is indeed suspicious. But, unfortunately, my feeling is that we can't afford to waste time, or else we might lose the SLU due to paralysis of analysis or something like that. We may just have to pass the resolution that comes up. But if all goes well, we should be able to hold the invaders off long enough for the alternate proposal to achieve quorum and reach a vote, in which case the first resolution should most definitely be rejected.

To do that, we need to get as many defenders into the SLU as possible before Kirigaya Kirito seals the borders. We need them to endorse Mons Garle. Upon restoring control of the SLU to its rightful leaders, we need to set a mandatory endorsement cap for all non-leader member nations from then on out to prevent any one nation from getting too powerful and possibly orchestrating a coup against the region. Exceeding said cap should be punished by ejection (and banning, if necessary). And finally, we need the delegate to be someone who has enough time on his/her hands to make sure this doesn't happen again. We should also pass WASC resolutions condemning notable regions and nations involved in these virtual crimes against humanity.
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Postby Luxdonia » Sun Oct 09, 2016 4:19 am

Bears Armed wrote:
Louisistan wrote:Could it have something to do with the fact that that other proposal spells "R A I D E R" with the first letters of each clause? Of course, I'm just guessing...

It does? Is that legal?

What would be the point of that though? :P
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Postby Bhang Bhang Duc » Sun Oct 09, 2016 5:14 am

Bears Armed wrote:
Louisistan wrote:Could it have something to do with the fact that that other proposal spells "R A I D E R" with the first letters of each clause? Of course, I'm just guessing...

It does? Is that legal?

I've raised a GHR asking if this form of branding could be considered gloating, and therefore illegal.
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Postby Wrapper » Sun Oct 09, 2016 6:05 am

Looks like this has been deemed legal, as RAIDER is relevant to the proposal. Precedent:

viewtopic.php?p=27166464#p27166464

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Postby Bhang Bhang Duc » Sun Oct 09, 2016 8:07 am

Wrapper wrote:Looks like this has been deemed legal, as RAIDER is relevant to the proposal. Precedent:

viewtopic.php?p=27166464#p27166464

Rats!

Thanks for the feedback Wrapper.
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