[DRAFT] Commend Pope Hope

[ROM]

Aware that Pope Hope was the Director of the Alliance Defense Network, one of the largest defense coalitions that has ever existed, and also noting that Pope Hope is one of the main reasons that the ADN grew to such heights because of Pope Hope’s aptitude in diplomacy, intelligence, and defending,

Recognizing that Pope Hope is also the founding nation of Nasicournia, and that Pope Hope led Nasicournia to be not only a premier defender region, but a region that would become well known for its roleplay,

Lauding the actions that Pope Hope undertook as the nation Stars of Sky, which was fervently opposed to the actions that the rogue delegate Pixiedance had undertaken in the North Pacific, and that Stars of Sky would eventually become delegate of the North Pacific, and during Stars of Sky’s time as delegate, would lead a constitutional reform within the region that would make the North Pacific a democratic region,

Impressed with Pope Hope’s cordial diplomatic tendencies, which was largely to the Alliance Defense Network’s benefit, as the alliance had membership from several large regions, such as the North Pacific, the Rejected Realms, Equilism, and Nasicournia,

Noting that Pope Hope was also involved within the Meritocracy, one of the most influential and renowned regions in NS, and that Pope Hope also is the founder of the region Stars, a region that in its time had a very active community,

Admiring the natural abilities Pope Hope showed in intelligence, such as when Pope Hope infiltrated the North Pacific during the Pixiedance coup under the nation Stars of Sky to undermine the coup within the region,

Believing that Pope Hope has left a positive impact on NS, and that Pope Hope is not only a ardent defender, but a skilled diplomat and a well respected nation,

Hereby Commends Pope Hope

[Adytus]

"This is well written! My office gives this our full support, Ambassador Rom."

[We Are Not the NSA]

Aware that Pope Hope was the Director of the Alliance Defense Network, one of the largest defense coalitions that has ever existed, and also noting that Pope Hope is one of the main reasons that the ADN grew to such heights because of Pope Hope’s aptitude in diplomacy, intelligence, and defending, Pope Hope’s aptitude in diplomacy, intelligence, and defending some of the main reasons that the ADN grew to such heights,

Made that a little bit more concise.

Recognizing that Pope Hope is also the founding nation of Nasicournia, and that Pope Hope led Nasicournia to be not only a premier defender region, but a region that would become well known for its roleplay,

R4 violation in red.

Lauding the actions that Pope Hope undertook as the nation Stars of Sky, which was fervently opposed to the actions that the rogue delegate Pixiedance had undertaken in the North Pacific,

____ing that Stars of Sky would eventually become delegate of the North Pacific, and during their time as delegate, would lead a constitutional reform within the region that would make the North Pacific a democratic region,

I think these work better as separate clauses

Impressed with Pope Hope’s cordial diplomatic tendencies, which was largely to the Alliance Defense Network’s benefit, as the alliance had membership from several large regions, such as the North Pacific, the Rejected Realms, Equilism, and Nasicournia,

Noting that Pope Hope was also involved within the Meritocracy, one of the most influential and renowned regions in NS, and that Pope Hope also is the founder of the region Stars, a region that in its time had a very active community,

Admiring the natural abilities Pope Hope showed has shown in intelligence, such as when Pope Hope infiltrated the North Pacific during the Pixiedance coup under the nation Stars of Sky to undermine the coup from within the region,

Believing that Pope Hope has left a positive impact on NS, and that Pope Hope is not only a ardent defender, but a skilled diplomat and a well respected nation,

You should fully say "NationStates" instead of NS.

I find it curious that you link to the target nation in every single clause for some reason, yet neglect to link to certain regions and nations you mention. Usually I follow a rule that I link to every nation/region I mention once, the first time I say it's name, then never again. It keeps the proposal from looking too cluttered, and allows players to easily do follow up research.

Unless there are any glaring issues that someone more familiar with Pope Hope would like to point out, I don't see any major issues. It needs to be touched up a bit, but once it is I'll support.

[ROM]

Aware that Pope Hope was the Director of the Alliance Defense Network, one of the largest defense coalitions that has ever existed, and also noting that Pope Hope is one of the main reasons that the ADN grew to such heights because of Pope Hope’s aptitude in diplomacy, intelligence, and defending, Pope Hope’s aptitude in diplomacy, intelligence, and defending some of the main reasons that the ADN grew to such heights,

Made that a little bit more concise.

Recognizing that Pope Hope is also the founding nation of Nasicournia, and that Pope Hope led Nasicournia to be not only a premier defender region, but a region that would become well known for its roleplay,

R4 violation in red.

Lauding the actions that Pope Hope undertook as the nation Stars of Sky, which was fervently opposed to the actions that the rogue delegate Pixiedance had undertaken in the North Pacific,

____ing that Stars of Sky would eventually become delegate of the North Pacific, and during their time as delegate, would lead a constitutional reform within the region that would make the North Pacific a democratic region,

I think these work better as separate clauses

Impressed with Pope Hope’s cordial diplomatic tendencies, which was largely to the Alliance Defense Network’s benefit, as the alliance had membership from several large regions, such as the North Pacific, the Rejected Realms, Equilism, and Nasicournia,

Noting that Pope Hope was also involved within the Meritocracy, one of the most influential and renowned regions in NS, and that Pope Hope also is the founder of the region Stars, a region that in its time had a very active community,

Admiring the natural abilities Pope Hope showed has shown in intelligence, such as when Pope Hope infiltrated the North Pacific during the Pixiedance coup under the nation Stars of Sky to undermine the coup from within the region,

Believing that Pope Hope has left a positive impact on NS, and that Pope Hope is not only a ardent defender, but a skilled diplomat and a well respected nation,

You should fully say "NationStates" instead of NS.

I find it curious that you link to the target nation in every single clause for some reason, yet neglect to link to certain regions and nations you mention. Usually I follow a rule that I link to every nation/region I mention once, the first time I say it's name, then never again. It keeps the proposal from looking too cluttered, and allows players to easily do follow up research.

Unless there are any glaring issues that someone more familiar with Pope Hope would like to point out, I don't see any major issues. It needs to be touched up a bit, but once it is I'll support.

I didn't want to link the Meritocracy, as that has been refounded by some invader, and the continued one, the New Meritocracy, Pope Hope wasn't really involved in, so I was kinda in a tough spot there. As for the corrections, I'll add them in when I'm not mobile.

[Adytus]

"I would not include a link if it has been refounded by someone else. It gets the point across rhetorically, in my opinion, and you would be right by not adding it."

[Europe and Oceania]

We support this. We will approve it when you submit it comrade Rom.

[We Are Not the NSA]

I didn't want to link the Meritocracy, as that has been refounded by some invader, and the continued one, the New Meritocracy, Pope Hope wasn't really involved in, so I was kinda in a tough spot there. As for the corrections, I'll add them in when I'm not mobile.

That is understandable.

[Pierconium]

I didn't want to link the Meritocracy, as that has been refounded by some invader, and the continued one, the New Meritocracy, Pope Hope wasn't really involved in, so I was kinda in a tough spot there. As for the corrections, I'll add them in when I'm not mobile.

That is understandable.

No, it isn't, because it is incorrect.

The New Meritocracy is the region that was the home of the Meritocratic Senate of which Pope Hope was a member. So linking the region would be appropriate.

Also, Stars of Sky was never a trusted part of the North Pacific Directorate that I recall. She had a number of followers but not among the leadership, who were well aware of the nation's loyalties. So, that is largely inaccurate.

And, is it now common knowledge that Pope Hope controlled Stars of Sky? I ask because it was also controlled by Unistrut at the same time and both players maintained UN/WA (can't recall what it was then) nations elsewhere while utilizing that nation to attempt to swap in TNP. So, basically that part of the resolution is lauding alleged multi-ing.

Regardless, if some of the historical inaccuracies were corrected and clarification on the status of SoS was somehow ascertained, I could see the Pacific supporting a commendation of Pope Hope.

[Pierconium]

For clarification regarding the distrust of Stars of Sky within the North Pacific Directorate leadership: http://z4.invisionfree.invalid.com/TheNorthPaci ... &p=9619416

[The Rouge Christmas State]

You have our support, well done.

[Pierconium]

You have our support, well done.

So do you generally support inaccurate and erroneous proposals? Just curious.

[Evil Wolf]

And, is it now common knowledge that Pope Hope controlled Stars of Sky? I ask because it was also controlled by Unistrut at the same time and both players maintained UN/WA (can't recall what it was then) nations elsewhere while utilizing that nation to attempt to swap in TNP. So, basically that part of the resolution is lauding alleged multi-ing.

I always thought that the concept and basic "identity" of SoS was thought up by Uni but that the actual UN nation was controlled by several players, to include Pope Hope, Biyah, and I think Dilber (maybe?). I was even told Stars of Sky's "Real Life" picture was that of Unistrut's actual girlfriend at the time and that they made "her" Canadian because it made the persona seem less threatening. But I do know supposedly all the players who controlled SoS coordinated their efforts somewhere to appear like someone was TGing one person rather than multiple people controlling one nation.

I bet that thread would be an interesting read.

[Cormactopia II]

I will be voting against this. There is nothing commendable about the ADN or Pope Hope's tyrannical rule over it.

[Pierconium]

And, is it now common knowledge that Pope Hope controlled Stars of Sky? I ask because it was also controlled by Unistrut at the same time and both players maintained UN/WA (can't recall what it was then) nations elsewhere while utilizing that nation to attempt to swap in TNP. So, basically that part of the resolution is lauding alleged multi-ing.

I always thought that the concept and basic "identity" of SoS was thought up by Uni but that the actual UN nation was controlled by several players, to include Pope Hope, Biyah, and I think Dilber (maybe?). I was even told Stars of Sky's "Real Life" picture was that of Unistrut's actual girlfriend at the time and that they made "her" Canadian because it made the persona seem less threatening. But I do know supposedly all the players who controlled SoS coordinated their efforts somewhere to appear like someone was TGing one person rather than multiple people controlling one nation.

I bet that thread would be an interesting read.

Yes, the images were supposedly of Unistrut's ex-girlfriend. Access to the nation was controlled by him and PH, according to him directly to me anyway. At the time Dilber was responsible for the IP phishing that unmasked the players behind some of the NPD members but he was not part of the cadre controlling SoS. Biyah was around and was undoubtedly in on the discussions but I don't believe he had access to the nation directly as he and Unistrut did not always get along.

Regardless, yes, I'm sure it would be an interesting read.

[Unibot III]

I was under the impression SoS was operated by multiple people. For some reason, I wanted to say it was Unistrut, Pope Hope and Westwind (???). I'm only reiterating what I remember from hearing from others a while back though. Former ADNers would know the story better.

[Stalker Queen]

The ADN was like the FRA, but on speed, steroids and Viagra, with money and bitches. So treat it as such in this commendation of Pope Hope. Just my two cents in regards to the reverence towards history.

And I just realised that sounds like a recipe for heart failure...

[Pierconium]

I was under the impression SoS was operated by multiple people. For some reason, I wanted to say it was Unistrut, Pope Hope and Westwind (???). I'm only reiterating what I remember from hearing from others a while back though. Former ADNers would know the story better.

And you can read my reply to that in the post immediately preceding yours.

I was there and I have had confirmation from those in control of SoS.

Westwind was not in control of SoS.

[Almonaster Nuevo]

I think there are very few major players in NS who have a completely clean sheet. I seem to recall that some have received both a commend and a condemn.

IMHO, Pope Hope had a major influence on the game, much of it positive. That makes her a suitable candidate for a commend. Many may vote against it because of other parts of her legacy (which I think is fine) or her associates (which I think is missing the point).

I was an RLA member, and we had strong disagreements with the ADN. Nonetheless, I think Pope Hope put a lot of time and energy into some notable achievements. I will be supporting this if it comes to vote.

[Westwind]

Westwind was not in control of SoS.

*nods* 'Tis true, I was not. Though I did stay up late those nights with the core group on IRC while SoS surfed the update. Some members of that group have been mentioned, some have not. I was lead to believe it was one player controlling SoS at the time.

[Pierconium]

Westwind was not in control of SoS.

*nods* 'Tis true, I was not. Though I did stay up late those nights with the core group on IRC while SoS surfed the update. Some members of that group have been mentioned, some have not. I was lead to believe it was one player controlling SoS at the time.

I try to leave current admins out of it.

[Pierconium]

I think there are very few major players in NS who have a completely clean sheet. I seem to recall that some have received both a commend and a condemn.

IMHO, Pope Hope had a major influence on the game, much of it positive. That makes her a suitable candidate for a commend. Many may vote against it because of other parts of her legacy (which I think is fine) or her associates (which I think is missing the point).

I was an RLA member, and we had strong disagreements with the ADN. Nonetheless, I think Pope Hope put a lot of time and energy into some notable achievements. I will be supporting this if it comes to vote.

I noted in my first response that I could support such a resolution that was more historically accurate. Considering the factual flaws with the current draft, not to mention the lauding of (alleged) cheating, I would likely vote against.

[Myrth]

I always thought that the concept and basic "identity" of SoS was thought up by Uni but that the actual UN nation was controlled by several players, to include Pope Hope, Biyah, and I think Dilber (maybe?). I was even told Stars of Sky's "Real Life" picture was that of Unistrut's actual girlfriend at the time and that they made "her" Canadian because it made the persona seem less threatening. But I do know supposedly all the players who controlled SoS coordinated their efforts somewhere to appear like someone was TGing one person rather than multiple people controlling one nation.

I bet that thread would be an interesting read.

Yes, the images were supposedly of Unistrut's ex-girlfriend. Access to the nation was controlled by him and PH, according to him directly to me anyway. At the time Dilber was responsible for the IP phishing that unmasked the players behind some of the NPD members but he was not part of the cadre controlling SoS. Biyah was around and was undoubtedly in on the discussions but I don't believe he had access to the nation directly as he and Unistrut did not always get along.

Regardless, yes, I'm sure it would be an interesting read.

I was aware of PH's control of SoS at the time, and seem to recall she had another nation in the WA whilst still logging into it. Presumably she thought she was masking her logins with a proxy server but unfortunately for her used a transparent proxy that forwarded her real IP. A proposal to commend a player who cheated and fooled a community by pretending to be someone else, huh? How amusing.

[Sedgistan]

It's far too late to provide any definitive comment on whether the nation multied or not; however, I will note that the nation does not appear to have been either warned or UN banned at any point, which suggests that the moderation team at the time did not consider there to be any significant evidence that the nation was multying.

[Orioni 2]

This could have been written many years ago.

[Pierconium]

It's far too late to provide any definitive comment on whether the nation multied or not; however, I will note that the nation does not appear to have been either warned or UN banned at any point, which suggests that the moderation team at the time did not consider there to be any significant evidence that the nation was multying.

While things appear to be much different now, there once was a time when certain parts of the moderation/admin staff were (allegedly) heavily biased in favor of defenders, especially those that went to book signings, etc. The bias was so prevalent (again, allegedly) that when one mod decided to give similar favor to the opposing side he was 'resigned'.

Some of those (allegedly) favored players went on to become mods. One of the most prodigious in manipulating game mechanics in (allegedly) a less than ethical manner even became an admin.

So, no, I don't believe the lack of warning necessarily constitutes a lack of evidence.