[DEAFEATED] Repeal "Condemn the Pacific" (by DrWinner)

[Wallenburg]

This lost less than a week ago. Clearly the voters are against it. Or should authors of failed resolutions resubmit everything that doesn't pass, immediately after voting ends?

So, the original vote likely failed because of the author. Now this vote should automatically fail because it is a resubmit?

I'll take that as a "yes". I have a few things to resubmit.

Does anything in this body actually get voted on because of the merits of the resolution?

Yes. The voting history often shows that. I for instance, have always voted on the merits of the resolution. I voted against this thing both times.

I'm fairly certain I know what is disgraceful here.

I'm sorry, but since when was this winning at its second vote? It lost the first vote. It will lose this one. It's a waste of time.

[Drasnia]

At least if it fails, now it's about the content of the bill and not the author.

I still support.

I wish that were so.

I have been told by one of the large vote-holding Delegates that their 'bad blood' with Cormac carries forward to this resolution, even without him being the author of record.

I was afraid that would be the case.

[Sciongrad]

I haven't voted yet, however I think the timing of this was horrendous. This second failure is likely the poison the well for a very long time.

[Pierconium]

I haven't voted yet, however I think the timing of this was horrendous. This second failure is likely the poison the well for a very long time.

Yes, I know.

[We Are Not the NSA]

I understand why this was resubmitted by a new "author", but to echo Scion's words the timing is horrendous. The point of submitting with a new author is to distance the proposal from the original author. By submitting it while the first vote is still in everyone's memory you're just inviting people to say "ugh, this again?" and vote the same way they did the first time. Should've given it a few weeks before trying again.

Plus this is going to kill any more attempts for a long time, because it will start looking like spam. Just look at what happened with the whole Condemn DEN shit a few months ago. One resolution was repealed and replaced over the course of like 2 months, yet based on the rmb chatter you would think that it happened like 5 times in a row. Voting on a repeal of the same proposal three times is going to be treated with the same amount of naiveté and lack of consideration as that, if not more.

[Libetarian Republics]

I'm quite interested to see how hypocritical certain delegates want to look, this time around.

I agree, but I also support the sovereign right of the delegates to be hypocritical or whatever he/she wants to do.

The author doesn't change the content of the resolution, which doesn't change our my position from the last attempt. Against.

[Pergamon]

I'm quite interested to see how hypocritical certain delegates want to look, this time around.

I agree, but I also support the sovereign right of the delegates to be hypocritical or whatever he/she wants to do.

The author doesn't change the content of the resolution, which doesn't change our my position from the last attempt. Against.

I wonder why people can't play with open cards at least once. All I can see is another poor excuse for not openly admitting any disrespect or hostility. What is the use of this diplomatic frippery if the outcome stays the same and the statements leave actually no room for a different interpretation? At least the people of the Pacific will decide now, on how we consider our ties to regions that act in such sanctimonious ways.

[Libetarian Republics]

I agree, but I also support the sovereign right of the delegates to be hypocritical or whatever he/she wants to do.

The author doesn't change the content of the resolution, which doesn't change our my position from the last attempt. Against.

I wonder why people can't play with open cards at least once. All I can see is another poor excuse for not openly admitting any disrespect or hostility. What is the use of this diplomatic frippery if the outcome stays the same and the statements leave actually no room for a different interpretation? At least the people of the Pacific will decide now, on how we consider our ties to regions that act in such sanctimonious ways.

I'm not sure if this was directed to me. TRR's position regarding the resolution has been known for a while. No hypocrisy.

[Myrth]

Same old sour grapes. I'm still not quite sure why we give a damn about the condemnation - I find it quite amusing how we're held in such esteem by our rivals. Besides, I rather like the shiny badge on our regional page.

[The Church of Satan]

And for the record, supporting a sitting delegate charged with the duty of upholding the laws created by the very citizenry he chose to disregard is a sorry excuse if I've ever seen one.

[DrWinner]

Same old sour grapes. I'm still not quite sure why we give a damn about the condemnation - I find it quite amusing how we're held in such esteem by our rivals. Besides, I rather like the shiny badge on our regional page.

I enjoy having it very much myself, as a matter of fact. But, you know, the political science behind people saying they are against is more important to me.

[New Francoism]

Mod note: as DrWinner is present in the thread, I've changed ownership of the OP to him.

Thank you! Hail Pacifica!

[Eumantia]

I will never vote to repeal The Pacific's hard-won Condemnation Award, unless their dictatorial leadership specifically asks me to. I do believe in standards, thank you.

[LOL at U]

No, they're a weak fraud of a region compared to TNP. I voted against. Keep the stupid and genocidal European colonialists out of TNP.

[Pierconium]

No, they're a weak fraud of a region compared to TNP. I voted against. Keep the stupid and genocidal European colonialists out of TNP.

Yes, this sounds about right. Oh wait, what are you talking about?

[LOL at U]

No, they're a weak fraud of a region compared to TNP. I voted against. Keep the stupid and genocidal European colonialists out of TNP.

Yes, this sounds about right. Oh wait, what are you talking about?

LOL. I'm just playing the your region is bad, our region is good WA game. Typical WA factional rhetoric in other words.

[Pierconium]

Yes, this sounds about right. Oh wait, what are you talking about?

LOL. I'm just playing the your region is bad, our region is good WA game. Typical WA factional rhetoric in other words.

No one in the Pacific has stated TNP is 'bad'. Unfortunately, you are quite correct in regards to your side doing so however.

It is a pity that your regional government accepted our olive branch some months ago but decided to use it as a lynching torch.

[LOL at U]

LOL. I'm just playing the your region is bad, our region is good WA game. Typical WA factional rhetoric in other words.

No one in the Pacific has stated TNP is 'bad'. Unfortunately, you are quite correct in regards to your side doing so however.

It is a pity that your regional government accepted our olive branch some months ago but decided to use it as a lynching torch.

It starts off that way then evolves to become true peace. I know our region's leaders and how they think quite well by now.

[Pierconium]

No one in the Pacific has stated TNP is 'bad'. Unfortunately, you are quite correct in regards to your side doing so however.

It is a pity that your regional government accepted our olive branch some months ago but decided to use it as a lynching torch.

It starts off that way then evolves to become true peace. I know our region's leaders and how they think quite well by now.

I'm afraid peace is not their desired outcome, my friend. I know something of your region's leaders as well.

They will undoubtedly get what they do desire.

[LOL at U]

It starts off that way then evolves to become true peace. I know our region's leaders and how they think quite well by now.

I'm afraid peace is not their desired outcome, my friend. I know something of your region's leaders as well.

They will undoubtedly get what they do desire.

No, peace is the true goal. What you're currently experiencing is the violent turmoil everyone is levying against one another. Then when the dust settles and all parties have been heard and recorded the re-normalization process begins. Afterwards peace is achieved. We do things very differently out here in the Pacific compared to people living on the Atlantic side of the world. In the Western world, disagreements are often settled through war with the winner being right and the loser being wrong. In the Pacific, everyone gets heard and then we all work to right historical wrongs or else face eternal condemnation from the accuser.

[Pierconium]

Oh no, my young Jedi. You will find that it is you who are mistaken, about a great many things.

For some reason that quote came to mind while reading your post.

[LOL at U]

Oh no, my young Jedi. You will find that it is you who are mistaken, about a great many things.

For some reason that quote came to mind while reading your post.

Well I am speaking on a historical basis. Cultural exchange happens all the time between the East and West and vice versa since the beginning of civilization.

[Cormactopia II]

Remember when this was previously submitted and the Delegate of The North Pacific said he was only voting against repeal because of its authorship? Well, despite submission by a completely different author:

27 minutes ago: Lord Ravenclaw voted against the World Assembly Resolution "Repeal "Condemn the Pacific"".

So much for that.

[Praeceps]

Remember when this was previously submitted and the Delegate of The North Pacific said he was only voting against repeal because of its authorship? Well, despite submission by a completely different author:

27 minutes ago: Lord Ravenclaw voted against the World Assembly Resolution "Repeal "Condemn the Pacific"".

So much for that.

In the interest of Lord Ravenclaw's side being presented as well he stated he decided to follow the forum and in-game vote.

[Flanderlion]

I know what the sentiment regarding TNP's role in this resolution is over here, but thankfully for TNP we aren't run by mob rule.