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[Draft] Repeal "Condemn Vandoosa"

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[Draft] Repeal "Condemn Vandoosa"

Postby Tim-Opolis » Sat Dec 19, 2015 12:52 pm

The Security Council,

Recognizing that while the acts described in SC #188 are true, the resolution's reasons for condemnation should not qualify by the Security Council's standards,

Establishing that Vandoosa is indeed the founder of The Glorious Nations of Iwaku

Disturbed that the first four clauses of SC #188's appear to imply that being a region's Founder should be mutually exclusive from participating in activities outside of that region,

Skeptical about the claims in SC #188 stating that the invasion of Alternate History World led "severing of any ties with Iwaku, by many disapproving regions", a claim backed up by not a single citation,

Concerned that SC #188 appears to repeatedly attempt to condemn Vandoosa for committing actions allegedly harmful to their region, without once recognizing that, as Founder of The Glorious Nations of Iwaku, is not required to do anything for the region and is within their rights to abandon it fully if they wish,

Further Disturbed that SC #188 appears to attempt to condemn Vandoosa for "lack of attention to the [Glorious Nations of Iwaku] and its issues", a factor that could very well be affected by other circumstances such as Vandoosa's time or available resources for stimulating the region's growth. The Glorious Nations of Iwaku, furthermore, still contains more than 250 nations, showing that any sort of accusations of decline are greatly exaggerated,

Disappointed by the lack of attentiveness by the author in naming the wrong region as Vandoosa's target in the case of Alternate World History, rather than Alternate History World,

Baffled by the usage of Vandoosa's ridicule of native residents within invaded regions as a reason for condemnation, seeing no reason to set that as precedent for Security Council attention,

Reminded that the five-hundred operations performed by Vandoosa cited within SC #188 were classified as "Tag Raid" operations, which leave no lasting damage on the target region. In the case of most of these targets, they also do not have a World Assembly Delegate, debunking the claim that Vandoosa "wrenched the delegacy from the rightful owners" in each of these five-hundred operations,

Pointing Out that the aforementioned raid operations were completed through the use of Predator, a weapon that was found to be in gross violation of international law, with its usage resulting in Vandoosa ceasing to exist and its leader being temporarily barred from World Assembly participation,

Noting that while working with a region such as The Greater German Reich is certainly deplorable, a one-off circumstance, and one in which The Glorious Nations of Iwaku was only a supporting actor rather than the "key part" as claimed, should not merit a condemnation,

Realizing the paradox that is created by the claim that The Glorious Nations of Iwaku's residents are "unaware of their founders evildoings" when juxtaposed with The Glorious Nations of Iwaku's military's open participation in the invasion of Territory of Finland, something residents surely would have noticed,

Lamenting the consistent use of incendiary vocabulary within the resolution, such as "invasion and slaughter" and "brutal slaughter", as what can only be perceived as a fear tactic attempting to scare World Assembly nations into voting for the resolution,

Remembering that a region's Founder is its ultimate sovereign and therefore should not be bound to any claims of "neglect' or "betrayal" from any outsiders, particularly when the outsiders carry no supporting evidence for the claims,

Concluding that the now-uninhabited wasteland of Vandoosa simply does not merit Condemnation,

Hereby Repeals Security Council Resolution #188: Condemn Vandoosa



The Security Council,

Recognizing that while the acts described in SC #188 are true, the resolution's reasons for condemnation should not qualify by the Security Council's standards,

Establishing that Vandoosa is indeed the founder of The Glorious Nations of Iwaku

Disturbed that the first four clauses of SC #188's appear to imply that being a region's Founder should be mutually exclusive from participating in activities outside of that region,

Skeptical about the claims in SC #188 stating that the invasion of Alternate History World led "severing of any ties with Iwaku, by many disapproving regions", a claim backed up by not a single citation,

Concerned that SC #188 appears to repeatedly attempt to condemn Vandoosa for committing actions allegedly harmful to their region, without once recognizing that, as Founder of The Glorious Nations of Iwaku, is not required to do anything for the region and is within their rights to abandon it fully if they wish,

Further Disturbed that SC #188 appears to attempt to condemn Vandoosa for "lack of attention to the [Glorious Nations of Iwaku] and its issues", a factor that could very well be affected by other circumstances such as Vandoosa's time or available resources for stimulating the region's growth. The Glorious Nations of Iwaku, furthermore, still contains more than 250 nations, showing that any sort of accusations of decline are greatly exaggerated,

Disappointed by the lack of attentiveness by the author in naming the wrong region as Vandoosa's target in the case of Alternate World History, rather than Alternate History World,

Baffled by the usage of Vandoosa's ridicule of native residents within invaded regions as a reason for condemnation, seeing no reason to set that as precedent for Security Council attention,

Reminded that the five-hundred operations performed by Vandoosa cited within SC #188 were classified as "Tag Raid" operations, which leave no lasting damage on the target region. In the case of most of these targets, they also do not have a World Assembly Delegate, debunking the claim that Vandoosa "wrenched the delegacy from the rightful owners" in each of these five-hundred operations,

Pointing Out that the aforementioned raid operations were completed through the use of Predator, a weapon that was found to be in gross violation of international law, with its usage resulting in Vandoosa ceasing to exist and its leader being temporarily barred from World Assembly participation,

Noting that while working with a region such as The Greater German Reich is certainly deplorable, a one-off circumstance, and one in which The Glorious Nations of Iwaku was only a supporting actor rather than the "key part" as claimed, should not merit a condemnation,

Realizing the paradox that is created by the claim that The Glorious Nations of Iwaku's residents are "unaware of their founders evildoings" when juxtaposed with The Glorious Nations of Iwaku's military's open participation in the invasion of Territory of Finland, something residents surely would have noticed,

Lamenting the consistent use of incendiary vocabulary within the resolution, such as "invasion and slaughter" and "brutal slaughter", as what can only be perceived as a fear tactic attempting to scare World Assembly nations into voting for the resolution,

Remembering that a region's Founder is its ultimate sovereign and therefore should not be bound to any claims of "neglect' or "betrayal" from any outsiders, particularly when the outsiders carry no supporting evidence for the claims,

Concluding that the now-uninhabited wasteland of Vandoosa simply does not merit Condemnation,

Hereby Repeals Security Council Resolution #188: Condemn Vandoosa


The Security Council,

Recognizing that while the acts described in SC #189 are true, the resolution's reasons for condemnation should not qualify by the Security Council's standards,

Establishing that Vandoosa is indeed the founder of The Glorious Nations of Iwaku

Disturbed that the first four clauses of SC #189's appear to imply that being a region's Founder should be mutually exclusive from participating in activities outside of that region,

Skeptical about the claims in SC #189 stating that the invasion of Alternate History World led "severing of any ties with Iwaku, by many disapproving regions", a claim backed up by not a single citation.

Concerned that SC #189 appears to repeatedly attempt to condemn Vandoosa for committing actions allegedly harmful to their region, without once recognizing that, as Founder of The Glorious Nations of Iwaku, is not required to do anything for the region and is within their rights to abandon it fully if they wish.

Further Disturbed that SC #189 appears to attempt to condemn Vandoosa for "lack of attention to the [Glorious Nations of Iwaku] and its issues", a factor that could very well be affected by other circumstances such as Vandoosa's time or available resources for stimulating the region's growth. The Glorious Nations of Iwaku, furthermore, still contains more than 250 nations, showing that any sort of accusations of decline are greatly exaggerated.

Disappointed by the lack of attentiveness by the author in naming the wrong region as Vandoosa's target in the case of Alternate World History, rather than Alternate History World

Baffled by the usage of Vandoosa's ridicule of native residents within invaded regions as a reason for condemnation, given that the action is considered commonplace, and the implication that such actions reflect poorly upon the Glorious Nations of Iwaku is made without a single shred of evidence for it.

Reminded that the five-hundred operations performed by Vandoosa cited within SC #189 were classified as "Tag Raid" operations, which leave no lasting damage on the target region. In the case of most of these targets, they also do not have a World Assembly Delegate, debunking the claim that Vandoosa "wrenched the delegacy from the rightful owners" in each of these five-hundred operations.

Noting that while working with a region such as The Greater German Reich is certainly deplorable, a one-off circumstance, and one in which The Glorious Nations of Iwaku was only a supporting actor rather than the "key part" as claimed, should not qualify a condemnation

Realizing the paradox that is created by the claim that The Glorious Nations of Iwaku's residents are "unaware of their founders evildoings" when put next to the fact that the military of The Glorious Nations of Iwaku was openly participating in the invasion of Territory of Finland, something residents surely would have noticed.

Lamenting the consistent use of incendiary vocabulary within the resolution, such as "invasion and slaughter" and "brutal slaughter" as what can only be perceived as a fear tactic attempting to scare World Assembly nations into voting for the resolution

Remembering that a region's Founder is its ultimate sovereign and therefore should not be bound to any claims of "neglect' or "betrayal" from any outsiders, particularly when the outsiders carry no supporting evidence for the claims.

Concluding that with the removal of all the details about The Glorious Nations of Iwaku, Vandoosa has simply not committed enough heinous acts on the field of battle to earn a condemnation

Hereby Repeals Security Council Resolution #189: Condemn Vandoosa


Although the vote could certainly change, I'd like to have this ready to go if this awful resolution does pass. I'm a bit rusty SC wise, so I'd love for some criticism and general help on what may be wrong with this
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Postby Wallenburg » Sat Dec 19, 2015 2:43 pm

Tim-Opolis wrote:Establishing that Vandoosa is indeed the founder of The Glorious Nations of Iwaku

This seems a little unnecessary to me.
Disappointed by the lack of attentiveness by the author in naming the wrong region as Vandoosa's target in the case of Alternate World History, rather than Alternate History World

The author was fully aware of this error and decided to keep it anyway. Perhaps you should replace "lack of attentiveness" with "laziness" or something similar.

You should also note the rules violation in using the terms "Nationstates" and "NS", as well as the fact that Vandoosa wants the condemnation. I support a swift repeal, should the condemnation enter into law.
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Postby The Silver Sentinel » Sat Dec 19, 2015 5:35 pm

Sorry Tim but no support. Vandossa has done far more than enough in my opinion to earn a condemnation.

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Postby RiderSyl » Sat Dec 19, 2015 5:55 pm

The Silver Sentinel wrote:Sorry Tim but no support. Vandossa has done far more than enough in my opinion to earn a condemnation.


Like Vandossa's horrible raid on Alternate World History
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Postby The Silver Sentinel » Sat Dec 19, 2015 5:56 pm

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The Silver Sentinel wrote:Sorry Tim but no support. Vandossa has done far more than enough in my opinion to earn a condemnation.


Like Vandossa's horrible raid on Alternate World History

Meh... Still not enough for a repeal in my opinion. The rest of the condemnation hits the nail squarely on the head.

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Postby Lord Ravenclaw » Sat Dec 19, 2015 6:48 pm

The condemnation has been another moment where I've had to sit, scratch my head and wonder what on earth this Assembly is coming to. Full support for the repeal.
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Postby Tim-Opolis » Sat Dec 19, 2015 7:46 pm

Wallenburg wrote:
Tim-Opolis wrote:Establishing that Vandoosa is indeed the founder of The Glorious Nations of Iwaku

This seems a little unnecessary to me.
Disappointed by the lack of attentiveness by the author in naming the wrong region as Vandoosa's target in the case of Alternate World History, rather than Alternate History World

The author was fully aware of this error and decided to keep it anyway. Perhaps you should replace "lack of attentiveness" with "laziness" or something similar.

You should also note the rules violation in using the terms "Nationstates" and "NS", as well as the fact that Vandoosa wants the condemnation. I support a swift repeal, should the condemnation enter into law.

Thanks for the comments!

My opinion of putting that clause in was to really sink in the point that the majority of could would end up being SC #189 focuses on Vandoosa's role as Glorious Nations of Iwaku's founder. It helps lead into a large part of my repeal which is based around the nonsense that the author of SC #189 is spinning.

I'm assuming that, given that moderators have not come in and removed the proposal, the use of Nationstates in those areas was deemed non-actionable. If it is actionable, I'd expect the proposal to be removed for rule violations, deeming the need for a repeal unnecessary. Thanks for the contribution on changing it to laziness or something of the sort, I'll make sure to put that in! :)
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Postby Wallenburg » Sat Dec 19, 2015 7:53 pm

Tim-Opolis wrote:
Wallenburg wrote:This seems a little unnecessary to me.

The author was fully aware of this error and decided to keep it anyway. Perhaps you should replace "lack of attentiveness" with "laziness" or something similar.

You should also note the rules violation in using the terms "Nationstates" and "NS", as well as the fact that Vandoosa wants the condemnation. I support a swift repeal, should the condemnation enter into law.

Thanks for the comments!

My opinion of putting that clause in was to really sink in the point that the majority of could would end up being SC #189 focuses on Vandoosa's role as Glorious Nations of Iwaku's founder. It helps lead into a large part of my repeal which is based around the nonsense that the author of SC #189 is spinning.

I'm assuming that, given that moderators have not come in and removed the proposal, the use of Nationstates in those areas was deemed non-actionable. If it is actionable, I'd expect the proposal to be removed for rule violations, deeming the need for a repeal unnecessary. Thanks for the contribution on changing it to laziness or something of the sort, I'll make sure to put that in! :)

Well now that it is a resolution, the use of the words "Nationstates" and "NS" is unactionable. Resolutions cannot be illegal, only proposals. However, you can reference these words as "legally incomprehensible" or "entirely undefined and senseless", keeping with the IC requirements of WA resolutions.
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Wallenburg wrote:Well now that it is a resolution, the use of the words "Nationstates" and "NS" is unactionable. Resolutions cannot be illegal, only proposals. However, you can reference these words as "legally incomprehensible" or "entirely undefined and senseless", keeping with the IC requirements of WA resolutions.

Actually a resolution can be illegal and can be discarded as such. It only becomes legal if it passes.

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Referring to the world as "NationStates" is perfectly legal in resolutions.
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The Silver Sentinel wrote:
Wallenburg wrote:Well now that it is a resolution, the use of the words "Nationstates" and "NS" is unactionable. Resolutions cannot be illegal, only proposals. However, you can reference these words as "legally incomprehensible" or "entirely undefined and senseless", keeping with the IC requirements of WA resolutions.

Actually a resolution can be illegal and can be discarded as such. It only becomes legal if it passes.

Ah, yes. That's what I meant. I had a brain fart there.
Misley wrote:Referring to the world as "NationStates" is perfectly legal in resolutions.

Hmm. All right then.
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Postby Tir-Na-Nog-Ta » Sat Dec 19, 2015 10:40 pm

[sarcasm] :blush: Thank you for all the "praise" in that repeal. [/sarcasm]

:P
Nah I'm jk. It would be an honor to have my resolution repealed by someone thousands of times more experienced and well known than me. I wish you luck with the repeal!

(Hopefully it doesn't pass though) <.<
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Postby Cormac Stark » Sat Dec 19, 2015 11:13 pm

Tir-Na-Nog-Ta wrote:[sarcasm] :blush: Thank you for all the "praise" in that repeal. [/sarcasm]

:P
Nah I'm jk. It would be an honor to have my resolution repealed by someone thousands of times more experienced and well known than me. I wish you luck with the repeal!

(Hopefully it doesn't pass though) <.<

This was the most mature and respectful response I've seen from an author to a repeal effort in a while. Can we keep you?

Regarding the repeal proposal, the condemnation could probably have been lighter on Iwaku and heavier on Vandoosa's raiding actions, but no commendation or condemnation is ever perfect and I do think Vandoosa deserves a condemnation (and I mean that in the best possible way!). So I'm against this repeal proposal, though kudos for a well written draft.

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Postby Tir-Na-Nog-Ta » Sat Dec 19, 2015 11:30 pm

No you may not keep me. I am freeeeeeee.....

*prances off into the wilderness only to return with more awful 10/10 repeal-material resolutions*
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Postby The Silver Sentinel » Sat Dec 19, 2015 11:44 pm

Cormac Stark wrote:
Tir-Na-Nog-Ta wrote:[sarcasm] :blush: Thank you for all the "praise" in that repeal. [/sarcasm]

:P
Nah I'm jk. It would be an honor to have my resolution repealed by someone thousands of times more experienced and well known than me. I wish you luck with the repeal!

(Hopefully it doesn't pass though) <.<

This was the most mature and respectful response I've seen from an author to a repeal effort in a while. Can we keep you?

Regarding the repeal proposal, the condemnation could probably have been lighter on Iwaku and heavier on Vandoosa's raiding actions, but no commendation or condemnation is ever perfect and I do think Vandoosa deserves a condemnation (and I mean that in the best possible way!). So I'm against this repeal proposal, though kudos for a well written draft.

Hmmmm.... We have agreed two times in a row now. I would suggest we not make a habit of it, lest the universe blow up. 8)

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Postby Tim-Opolis » Sat Jan 02, 2016 10:29 pm

Just as a quick note, I'll post up an updated draft of this in a day or two. I put it on hold until the new year so as to ensure we had enough Delegates back and active in the game to hit quorum.
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Postby Solorni » Wed Jan 06, 2016 3:41 pm

If Vandoosa wants to keep it, I will not support this.
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Postby Wallenburg » Wed Jan 06, 2016 4:00 pm

Tim-Opolis wrote:Just as a quick note, I'll post up an updated draft of this in a day or two. I put it on hold until the new year so as to ensure we had enough Delegates back and active in the game to hit quorum.

Not much of an insta-repeal anymore, eh?
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Postby Imperium Anglorum » Wed Jan 06, 2016 4:04 pm

Wallenburg wrote:
Tim-Opolis wrote:Just as a quick note, I'll post up an updated draft of this in a day or two. I put it on hold until the new year so as to ensure we had enough Delegates back and active in the game to hit quorum.

Not much of an insta-repeal anymore, eh?

Was going to comment that, but ninja'd.

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Imperium Anglorum wrote:
Wallenburg wrote:Not much of an insta-repeal anymore, eh?

Was going to comment that, but ninja'd.

Yes.... Because smartassery is going to win you so many friends over on the gameplay side of things. :roll:

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Imperium Anglorum wrote:Was going to comment that, but ninja'd.

Yes.... Because smartassery is going to win you so many friends over on the gameplay side of things. :roll:

As a personal request, could you kindly stop calling people you disagree with smartasses?
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Wallenburg wrote:
The Silver Sentinel wrote:Yes.... Because smartassery is going to win you so many friends over on the gameplay side of things. :roll:

As a personal request, could you kindly stop calling people you disagree with smartasses?

It was a smartass comment made just to be a smartass and I called it for what it was.

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Postby Tim Stark » Sun Jan 10, 2016 12:34 pm

Wallenburg wrote:
Tim-Opolis wrote:Just as a quick note, I'll post up an updated draft of this in a day or two. I put it on hold until the new year so as to ensure we had enough Delegates back and active in the game to hit quorum.

Not much of an insta-repeal anymore, eh?

Well, as said, the winter holidays made it evident it wouldn't be seen by enough delegates, as was demonstrated to me by the campaign data from Repeal "Condemn DEN" for which I did the campaigning. I'll change the topic title to just draft soon here, but the snark is appreciated. ;)
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Postby Wallenburg » Mon Jan 11, 2016 7:32 am

Tim Stark wrote:Well, as said, the winter holidays made it evident it wouldn't be seen by enough delegates, as was demonstrated to me by the campaign data from Repeal "Condemn DEN" for which I did the campaigning. I'll change the topic title to just draft soon here, but the snark is appreciated. ;)

I'm glad to be of service. :hug:
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Postby The Silver Sentinel » Sun Feb 07, 2016 9:52 pm

I dearly hope you haven't forgot about this Tim, and hope you decide to resubmit it soon. Let me know if you need assistance with a campaign?

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