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[PASSED] Commend The Red Fleet

Postby New Tuva SSR » Sun Oct 11, 2015 6:17 pm

ACKNOWLEDGING that The Red Fleet disbanded the Greater German Reich, one of NationStates's most hated regions

REMEMBERING when the Greater German Reich administration and the moderators would allow Nazi Propoganda on their forums

REALIZING that the proposal's writer is recognizing The Red Fleet as a region, not as an organization

NOTING The Red Fleet is also a notable defending group, fighting off invasions by raiding organization REATO

ALSO, The Red Fleet was involved in the raids in many high-profile Nazi regions, and the liberation of Anne Frank

EDUCATING many regions on the dangers of Fascism and Nazism, causing some regions to sever ties completely

HELPING their loyal friends in The Internationale when they entered a crisis when the founder was deleted, and helped rebuild

HEREBY COMMENDS THE RED FLEET

I am open for suggestions to what I should add before posting.
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Postby Stalker Queen » Sun Oct 11, 2015 7:55 pm

New Tuva SSR wrote:ACKNOWLEDGING that The Red Fleet disbanded the Greater German Reich, one of NationStates's most hated regions

REMEMBERING when the Greater German Reich would broadcast Nazi Propoganda on their RMB

REALIZING that the proposal's writer is recognizing The Red Fleet as a region, not as an organization

NOTING that the fall of the Greater German Reich was just the latest in a series of capitulations

HOWEVER it is The Red Fleet overthrow of the Greater German Reich that this proposal is focusing on

HEREBY COMMENDS THE RED FLEET

I am open for suggestions to what I should add before posting.

I'd suggest you speak to Misley or someone else prominent in TRF. Also, you can only Commend/Condemn a region so you'd have to change "The Red Fleet" to "The Internationale" (I think that's the region).
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Postby Cora II » Sun Oct 11, 2015 8:04 pm

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Postby Central Asian Republics » Mon Oct 12, 2015 2:45 am

This entire commendation has 1 noteworthy point. Anything below the first line is just filler.
Maybe you could mention the fact that they helped with the liberation of many regions from fascist forces or something?
Line 2 is just simply wrong, My puppet was residing in that region for a few weeks, hearing only 1 or 2 messages per week.
The days of infamy is over for the GGR, therefore by focusing on the GGR for a commendation, you make the commendation absolutely baseless in content.

Also, fix the punctuation and grammatical error and while you're there, make the starting words more consistent, "HOWEVER" is the only starting word that isn't a noun, excluding the last line.
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Postby New Tuva SSR » Mon Oct 12, 2015 10:26 am

Central Asian Republics wrote:This entire commendation has 1 noteworthy point. Anything below the first line is just filler.
Maybe you could mention the fact that they helped with the liberation of many regions from fascist forces or something?
Line 2 is just simply wrong, My puppet was residing in that region for a few weeks, hearing only 1 or 2 messages per week.
The days of infamy is over for the GGR, therefore by focusing on the GGR for a commendation, you make the commendation absolutely baseless in content.

Also, fix the punctuation and grammatical error and while you're there, make the starting words more consistent, "HOWEVER" is the only starting word that isn't a noun, excluding the last line.

I'm talking about way back, when they would have Nazi Propoganda.
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Postby New Tuva SSR » Mon Oct 12, 2015 6:21 pm

Revamped.
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Postby Central Asian Republics » Tue Oct 13, 2015 3:52 am

New Tuva SSR wrote:I'm talking about way back, when they would have Nazi Propoganda.

But they stopped doing it way before their invasion.
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Postby New Tuva SSR » Tue Oct 13, 2015 7:29 am

Central Asian Republics wrote:
New Tuva SSR wrote:I'm talking about way back, when they would have Nazi Propoganda.

But they stopped doing it way before their invasion.

True.
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Postby New Tuva SSR » Tue Oct 13, 2015 8:14 pm

I am thinking of submitting now. The SC is in a lull. Most popular proposal only has 6 votes. Thoughts?
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Postby Wrapper » Tue Oct 13, 2015 8:15 pm

Pretty sure "RMB" is a violation but not 100% sure; "forum" would not be a violation.

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Postby The Silver Sentinel » Tue Oct 13, 2015 8:16 pm

New Tuva SSR wrote:I am thinking of submitting now. The SC is in a lull. Most popular proposal only has 6 votes. Thoughts?

What are you submitting? There is nothing there but fluff. :eyebrow:

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Postby New Tuva SSR » Tue Oct 13, 2015 8:17 pm

Wrapper wrote:Pretty sure "RMB" is a violation but not 100% sure; "forum" would not be a violation.

You would know.
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Postby New Tuva SSR » Tue Oct 13, 2015 8:19 pm

The Silver Sentinel wrote:
New Tuva SSR wrote:I am thinking of submitting now. The SC is in a lull. Most popular proposal only has 6 votes. Thoughts?

What are you submitting? There is nothing there but fluff. :eyebrow:

How they save the day.
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Postby Sedgistan » Wed Oct 14, 2015 4:29 am

"Regional Message Board" or "RMB" are both fine under Rule 4.

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Postby Central Asian Republics » Wed Oct 14, 2015 5:17 am

New Tuva SSR wrote:ACKNOWLEDGING that The Red Fleet disbanded the Greater German Reich, one of NationStates's most hated regions

New Tuva SSR wrote:NOTING The Red Fleet is also a notable defending group, fighting off invasions by raiding organization REATO

These two lines are the only lines with actual content in it, the rest are just filler.

New Tuva SSR wrote:NOTING The Red Fleet is also a notable defending group, fighting off invasions by raiding organization REATO

ALSO, The Red Fleet was involved in the raids in many high-profile Nazi regions, and the liberation of Anne Frank

These two lines both contradict each other.

New Tuva SSR wrote:REMEMBERING when the Greater German Reich administration and the moderators would allow Nazi Propoganda on their forums

This happened well before the invasion of the GGR, and it's in their own space. Invading a region with an echo chamber is hardly commendable. It almost feels like this is a condemnation of the GGR instead.

New Tuva SSR wrote:HELPING their loyal friends in The Internationale when they entered a crisis when the founder was deleted, and helped rebuild

The grammar in this line is absolutely atrocious.

New Tuva SSR wrote:REALIZING that the proposal's writer is recognizing The Red Fleet as a region, not as an organization

New Tuva SSR wrote:EDUCATING many regions on the dangers of Fascism and Nazism, causing some regions to sever ties completely*

Both pointless filler.
*Causing some regions to sever ties from what?

Overall, this commendation is devoid of actual content that is commend-worthy.
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Postby Wrapper » Wed Oct 14, 2015 5:21 am

Sedgistan wrote:"Regional Message Board" or "RMB" are both fine under Rule 4.

What? I'm wrong again? No way! :p

Okay, forgive the brief threadjack for a moment. In the rulings compendium, the legal/illegal terms section states:

• Forums - legal unless it "plainly refers to the electronic entity"

If you're saying RMB doesn't plainly refer to the electronic entity... then I'm not quite sure what term would.

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Postby Sedgistan » Wed Oct 14, 2015 5:33 am

RMBs are part of the NationStates world though. It's the same reason that "passwords" are okay to mention.

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Postby Herby » Mon Oct 26, 2015 1:45 pm

Looks like this was revamped and submitted, it's now in queue and will come to vote shortly. The submitted version:

Description: The Security Council,

Noting that The Red Fleet has been active since 2010 as an anti-fascist military dedicated to combating fascism and protecting leftist regions from reactionary aggression,

Aware that The Red Fleet, while a leftist military, maintains a policy of not targeting capitalist regions that are not themselves aligned with aggressive raiders,

Acknowledging notable contributions by The Red Fleet to defending their allies and fighting fascism, including:

•coming to the aid of The Internationale after its founder was destroyed by an act of God in November 2013 and assisting with the successful re-establishment of its community in June 2014.

•participating in the June 2014 destruction of NAZI EUROPE, an aggressive region that had previously been condemned by this august institution;

•organizing Antifa soldiers and sailors in the December 2014 liberation of Anne Frank from Nazi troops, which stands as one of the largest joint operations between imperialist, defender, and anti-fascist militaries in history;

•breaking up the Greater German Reich's false-flag raid against Leninist Russia in January 2015, causing embarrassment to the Nazi military;

•leading the ongoing operation to destroy the Greater German Reich, a notorious Nazi region whose condemnation by the Security Council is still in effect.

Applauding The Red Fleet's tenacity for surviving the decimation of its Admiralty Board in November 2013 and subsequent nadir in early 2014 to become one of the generational leaders of anti-fascist action,

Hereby Commends The Red Fleet.
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Postby Tuvan ASSR » Mon Oct 26, 2015 6:37 pm

A HUGE thanks to Misley, who helped me write up the proposal and got major support to get it to vote.

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Postby Kaboomlandia » Mon Oct 26, 2015 6:38 pm

Tuvan ASSR wrote:A HUGE thanks to Misley, who helped me write up the proposal and got major support to get it to vote.

Where's their credit? :eyebrow:

I'm supporting this FTR, but that just made me wonder.
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Postby New Tuva SSR » Mon Oct 26, 2015 7:04 pm

Kaboomlandia wrote:
Tuvan ASSR wrote:A HUGE thanks to Misley, who helped me write up the proposal and got major support to get it to vote.

Where's their credit? :eyebrow:

I'm supporting this FTR, but that just made me wonder.

He told me not to add anything.
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Postby Misley » Mon Oct 26, 2015 7:11 pm

To be clear, I worked with Tuva on details of The Red Fleet's history and notable operations to help flesh out the original proposals and make them more robust, bringing it in line with previous Commendations and up to the quality expected by the SC for a Commendation.

I didn't want this to come across as a self-commend (as it's not, it was something Tuva presented of his own accord) so I asked him not to credit me in the proposal. :)
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Postby The Silver Sentinel » Mon Oct 26, 2015 7:46 pm

Against. The Author is a member of The Red Fleet and this comes off as a self commend.

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Postby Misley » Mon Oct 26, 2015 7:54 pm

The Silver Sentinel wrote:Against. The Author is a member of The Red Fleet and this comes off as a self commend.

The author is a member of The Red Fleet through a merger of the Democratic Socialist Union's military force with TRF, which took place after the original draft was posted. It would be a self-commend if Tuva had applied for a Rate Application or posted this draft after the merger had taken place, which was not the case.
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Postby The Silver Sentinel » Mon Oct 26, 2015 8:04 pm

Misley wrote:
The Silver Sentinel wrote:Against. The Author is a member of The Red Fleet and this comes off as a self commend.

The author is a member of The Red Fleet through a merger of the Democratic Socialist Union's military force with TRF, which took place after the original draft was posted. It would be a self-commend if Tuva had applied for a Rate Application or posted this draft after the merger had taken place, which was not the case.

Yet you pushed it to vote. As Fleet Admiral fr the organization you should not have been involved except for providing relevant information. Whilst the activities of TRF may be commendable, this is not the resolution to do it.

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