[DEAD] Condemn Vancouvia

[Kaboomlandia]

Condemn Vancouvia

Category: Condemnation | Nominee: Vancouvia | Proposed By: Kaboomlandia

The World Assembly,

Recalling how, in June 2015, Vancouvia passed the Rights of Indigenous Peoples General Assembly resolution. Upon the discovery of a loophole in the resolution that permitted ritual murder, a repeal was quickly cobbled together and passed six days later. Shortly after, Vancouvia wasted the World Assembly's time for three days, attempting to pass a replacement that was only marginally better than the original.

Appalled that Vancouvia blatantly abuses their power to approve World Assembly proposals by approving terrible, horrible, no good, very bad resolutions with no chance of even making quorum, as well as voting for everything that comes up for quorum;

Disgusted that Vancouvia has egotistically referred to themselves as, "The Most Elite Member of the General Assembly Elite", a term coined derogatorily by disgraced nation Bitely;

Annoyed that Vancouvia's region, The Western Isles, runs most of their affairs through polls and the Regional Message Board, making their system prone to being rigged,

Horrified that Vancouvia has derailed the entire point of the embassy system by accepting nearly every embassy request that is filed with The Western Isles;

Confused that The Western Isles calls itself "democratic", when their system more closely resembles anarchy, with any nation able to propose laws, from Vancouvia themselves to the newest nations in the region;

Further Appalled that their "Senators" are basically elected via a popularity contest, with Senators needing five vouchers to gain the position;

Pointing Out that while well-meaning, Vancouvia has repeatedly misled nations with terrible advice in the World Assembly, including encouraging the nation of Kaboomlandia to submit a proposal, knowing full well there was no proper category for it;

Hereby Condemns Vancouvia.

I have had it up to *here* with Vancouvia. TWI is not run well at all. Their Senators aren't elected, they get put into office by having five different people vouch for them. Vancouvia routinely approves illegal crap as Delegate, as well as voting for everything. Their membership system doesn't allow people to use puppet nations as their membership in the region (this is literally in the Constitution of the region).

Condemn Vancouvia

Category: Condemnation | Nominee: Vancouvia | Proposed By: Kaboomlandia

The World Assembly,

Recalling how, in June 2015, Vancouvia passed the Rights of Indigenous Peoples General Assembly resolution. Upon the discovery of a loophole in the resolution that permitted ritual murder, a repeal was quickly cobbled together and passed six days later. Shortly after, Vancouvia wasted the World Assembly's time for three days, attempting to pass a replacement that was only marginally better than the original.

Appalled that Vancouvia blatantly abuses their power to approve World Assembly proposals by approving terrible, horrible, no good, very bad resolutions with no chance of even making quorum, as well as voting for everything that comes up for quorum;

Disgusted that Vancouvia has egotistically referred to themselves as, "The Most Elite Member of the General Assembly Elite", a term coined derogatorily by disgraced nation Bitely;

Annoyed that Vancouvia's region, The Western Isles, runs most of their affairs through polls and the Regional Message Board, making their system prone to being rigged,

Horrified that Vancouvia has derailed the entire point of the embassy system by accepting nearly every embassy request that is filed with The Western Isles;

Confused that The Western Isles calls itself "democratic", when their system more closely resembles anarchy, with any nation able to propose laws, from Vancouvia themselves to the newest nations in the region;

Further Appalled that their "Senators" are basically elected via a popularity contest, with Senators needing five vouchers to gain the position;

Pointing Out that while well-meaning, Vancouvia has repeatedly misled nations with terrible advice in the World Assembly, including encouraging the nation of Kaboomlandia to submit a proposal, knowing full well there was no proper category for it;

Hereby Condemns Vancouvia.

[John Turner]

NO!

[Omigodtheykilledkenny]

OOC @OP: You've misled nations with terrible advice. Should we condemn you too?

Barring that, disagreeing with the way a region is run is hardly grounds for condemnation. Not for Vancouvia, not even for the region (which might have been a more appropriate target than blaming everything on its delegate).

And if I have to hear about "ritual murder" one more time I will fucking scream. This is the 21st fucking century; there are no cultures left that condone human sacrifice. Tiny little splinter groups, maybe, but none that would apply for protection under Vancouvia's first "indigenous peoples" resolution.

[Separatist Peoples]

Please, fucking hell, no...

[The Dead Parrot]

Meh. Against this one. But, if you really want to go through with it, take a look at his signature. He's authored a whole lot of resolutions... that don't exist. Also, he used to have a link there explaining that he would always vote with the minority in order to counteract the lemming effect.

Also, to deride WI for lack of a democratic process, then in the very next clause accuse them of election via popularity contest -- umm, isn't the democratic process a per se popularity contest?

Also, crap, still using the parrot puppet, too lazy to switch to Wrapper on the iPad.

[Wallenburg]

I've had it with Vancouvia as well. They don't deserve a condemnation.

[Kaboomlandia]

Meh. Against this one. But, if you really want to go through with it, take a look at his signature. He's authored a whole lot of resolutions... that don't exist. Also, he used to have a link there explaining that he would always vote with the minority in order to counteract the lemming effect.

Also, to deride WI for lack of a democratic process, then in the very next clause accuse them of election via popularity contest -- umm, isn't the democratic process a per se popularity contest?

Also, crap, still using the parrot puppet, too lazy to switch to Wrapper on the iPad.

Their Senate system is solely a voucher system. Anybody can wind up in the Senate, no matter how incompetent they are.

[The Dead Parrot]

Meh. Against this one. But, if you really want to go through with it, take a look at his signature. He's authored a whole lot of resolutions... that don't exist. Also, he used to have a link there explaining that he would always vote with the minority in order to counteract the lemming effect.

Also, to deride WI for lack of a democratic process, then in the very next clause accuse them of election via popularity contest -- umm, isn't the democratic process a per se popularity contest?

Also, crap, still using the parrot puppet, too lazy to switch to Wrapper on the iPad.

Their Senate system is solely a voucher system. Anybody can wind up in the Senate, no matter how incompetent they are.

...just like in a democratic election.

[John Turner]

Meh. Against this one. But, if you really want to go through with it, take a look at his signature. He's authored a whole lot of resolutions... that don't exist. Also, he used to have a link there explaining that he would always vote with the minority in order to counteract the lemming effect.

Also, to deride WI for lack of a democratic process, then in the very next clause accuse them of election via popularity contest -- umm, isn't the democratic process a per se popularity contest?

Also, crap, still using the parrot puppet, too lazy to switch to Wrapper on the iPad.

Their Senate system is solely a voucher system. Anybody can wind up in the Senate, no matter how incompetent they are.

Pretty much exactly like the "Delegate" system in the game as present? Should we condemn every region that has a delegate now?

Horrified that Vancouvia has derailed the entire point of the embassy system by accepting nearly every embassy request that is filed with The Western Isles;

I remember you running a region that is now property of DEN, and don't seem to remember you being very discriminating on embassy requests. Should we condemn you for that?

Recalling how, in June 2015, Vancouvia passed the Rights of Indigenous Peoples General Assembly resolution. Upon the discovery of a loophole in the resolution that permitted ritual murder, a repeal was quickly cobbled together and passed six days later. Shortly after, Vancouvia wasted the World Assembly's time for three days, attempting to pass a replacement that was only marginally better than the original.

It took me three goes to pass chemical weapons legislation, which I helped immediately repeal and replace almost instantly. Where is my badge for wasting everyone's time?

Pointing Out that while well-meaning, Vancouvia has repeatedly misled nations with terrible advice in the World Assembly, including encouraging the nation of Kaboomlandia to submit a proposal, knowing full well there was no proper category for it;

I distinctly remember doing exactly the same thing. Where is my condemnation?

Need I go on?

[Bitely]

Condemn Vancouvia

Category: Condemnation | Nominee: Vancouvia | Proposed By: Kaboomlandia

The World Assembly,

Recalling how, in June 2015, Vancouvia passed the Rights of Indigenous Peoples General Assembly resolution. Upon the discovery of a loophole in the resolution that permitted ritual murder, a repeal was quickly cobbled together and passed six days later. Shortly after, Vancouvia wasted the World Assembly's time for three days, attempting to pass a replacement that was only marginally better than the original.

Appalled that Vancouvia blatantly abuses their power to approve World Assembly proposals by approving terrible, horrible, no good, very bad resolutions with no chance of even making quorum, as well as voting for everything that comes up for quorum;

Disgusted that Vancouvia has egotistically referred to themselves as, "The Most Elite Member of the General Assembly Elite", a term coined derogatorily by disgraced nation Bitely;

Annoyed that Vancouvia's region, The Western Isles, runs most of their affairs through polls and the Regional Message Board, making their system prone to being rigged,

Horrified that Vancouvia has derailed the entire point of the embassy system by accepting nearly every embassy request that is filed with The Western Isles;

Confused that The Western Isles calls itself "democratic", when their system more closely resembles anarchy, with any nation able to propose laws, from Vancouvia themselves to the newest nations in the region;

Further Appalled that their "Senators" are basically elected via a popularity contest, with Senators needing five vouchers to gain the position;

Pointing Out that while well-meaning, Vancouvia has repeatedly misled nations with terrible advice in the World Assembly, including encouraging the nation of Kaboomlandia to submit a proposal, knowing full well there was no proper category for it;

Hereby Condemns Vancouvia.

I have had it up to *here* with Vancouvia. TWI is not run well at all. Their Senators aren't elected, they get put into office by having five different people vouch for them. Vancouvia routinely approves illegal crap as Delegate, as well as voting for everything. Their membership system doesn't allow people to use puppet nations as their membership in the region (this is literally in the Constitution of the region).

Condemn Vancouvia

Category: Condemnation | Nominee: Vancouvia | Proposed By: Kaboomlandia

The World Assembly,

Recalling how, in June 2015, Vancouvia passed the Rights of Indigenous Peoples General Assembly resolution. Upon the discovery of a loophole in the resolution that permitted ritual murder, a repeal was quickly cobbled together and passed six days later. Shortly after, Vancouvia wasted the World Assembly's time for three days, attempting to pass a replacement that was only marginally better than the original.

Appalled that Vancouvia blatantly abuses their power to approve World Assembly proposals by approving terrible, horrible, no good, very bad resolutions with no chance of even making quorum, as well as voting for everything that comes up for quorum;

Disgusted that Vancouvia has egotistically referred to themselves as, "The Most Elite Member of the General Assembly Elite", a term coined derogatorily by disgraced nation Bitely;

Annoyed that Vancouvia's region, The Western Isles, runs most of their affairs through polls and the Regional Message Board, making their system prone to being rigged,

Horrified that Vancouvia has derailed the entire point of the embassy system by accepting nearly every embassy request that is filed with The Western Isles;

Confused that The Western Isles calls itself "democratic", when their system more closely resembles anarchy, with any nation able to propose laws, from Vancouvia themselves to the newest nations in the region;

Further Appalled that their "Senators" are basically elected via a popularity contest, with Senators needing five vouchers to gain the position;

Pointing Out that while well-meaning, Vancouvia has repeatedly misled nations with terrible advice in the World Assembly, including encouraging the nation of Kaboomlandia to submit a proposal, knowing full well there was no proper category for it;

Hereby Condemns Vancouvia.

condensed version: "Vancouvia did stuff I didn't like. Let's condemn him. Oh and Let's state that Bitely is disgraced even though He's never been condemned."

[Bhang Bhang Duc]

Please, fucking hell, no...

Couldn't have put it better myself.

None of what you've written adds up to a condemnation. If we were passing condemnations for wasting the time of the WA you'd have half a dozen by now.

[Kaboomlandia]

Seeing the overwhelmingly negative response, I'm dropping this and sticking to the GA for the time being.

[We Are Not the NSA]

Seeing the overwhelmingly negative response, I'm dropping this and sticking to the GA for the time being.

The representative who is not from the NSA slaps the Kaboomlandian representative. "Bad! No cake for you!"

[Vancouvia]

Why we establish embassies:

The Western Isles is taking the lead by being the one of the first of the top twenty-five most populous regions to permit free and open embassies with virtually every other region. Almost all embassy requests will be accepted.

Embassies are a way to foster communication and more communication is almost always a good thing. Furthermore, to deny embassy applications is to imply that your region is greater than another. Although this imbalance in stature may exist, it is not our place to perpetuate the pseudo-invisible political hierarchy of regions.

Some claim that embassies are a way of expressing good relations. The Western Isles, on the other hand, treats embassies as a first step on the path to good relations, rather than a declaration that those relations already exist.

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Voucher system explained:

Vouching for a member and being able to change it periodically is a very direct form of Republicanism, where every nation can choose someone who most closely represents their interests; they aren't stuck choosing between two bad options in an election, they have a wide variety of nations to select from. Our system isn't any more a popularity contest than a direct election.

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Our form of government:

Is far from anarchy. Yes, anyone can propose a law, but it must go through the Senate to pass, and also through the Court if it is an amendment. We most closely resemble a Republic altogether. It's not run through the RMB at all, and polls are only used for fun questions and officer elections.

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GA Voting:

I definitely don't always vote FOR to everything that makes quorum.

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You have not done your research well. The Western Isles is a bastion of republicanism, now with 400+ nations and about 30 or so active nations. This is all very schizophrenic; just the other day I was the first to join your new region you're trying to launch and told you I was willing to help you out with its operations. I have removed my nation from your region and will remember this attack on my character and my region.

[We Are Not the NSA]

Rereading the actual arguments of this proposal, there isn't a single legitimate reason given for why Vancouvia deserves a condemnation.

The World Assembly,

Recalling how, in June 2015, Vancouvia passed the Rights of Indigenous Peoples General Assembly resolution. Upon the discovery of a loophole in the resolution that permitted ritual murder, a repeal was quickly cobbled together and passed six days later. Shortly after, Vancouvia wasted the World Assembly's time for three days, attempting to pass a replacement that was only marginally better than the original.

So he wrote a resolution, a flaw was found, it was repealed, and he tried to fix it. I don't see how that is a condemnable action.

Appalled that Vancouvia blatantly abuses their power to approve World Assembly proposals by approving terrible, horrible, no good, very bad resolutions with no chance of even making quorum, as well as voting for everything that comes up for quorum;

Delegates are given the power to approve proposals, using that power and how they use it are not crimes. In addition, you basically say here that you want to condemn him for how he votes. Last time I checked, the WA isn't an oppressive entity that controls how people think and what their opinions are, or were the anti-World Assembly guys right?

Disgusted that Vancouvia has egotistically referred to themselves as, "The Most Elite Member of the General Assembly Elite", a term coined derogatorily by disgraced nation Bitely;

So... He was called a name... and said "lol that's my new name"... and we should not treat that like satire?

Annoyed that Vancouvia's region, The Western Isles, runs most of their affairs through polls and the Regional Message Board, making their system prone to being rigged,

Most regions run themselves via polls. It's the easiest in game way of voting.

Horrified that Vancouvia has derailed the entire point of the embassy system by accepting nearly every embassy request that is filed with The Western Isles;

TWI is definitely not the first region to accept all embassy requests, and they shouldn't be condemned for being open to diplomacy.

Confused that The Western Isles calls itself "democratic", when their system more closely resembles anarchy, with any nation able to propose laws, from Vancouvia themselves to the newest nations in the region;

You mean a direct democracy? Otherwise known as a pure democracy? You seem to be under the impression that a representative democracy is the only type democracy we have.

Further Appalled that their "Senators" are basically elected via a popularity contest, with Senators needing five vouchers to gain the position;

How is that different from any other election?

Pointing Out that while well-meaning, Vancouvia has repeatedly misled nations with terrible advice in the World Assembly, including encouraging the nation of Kaboomlandia to submit a proposal, knowing full well there was no proper category for it;

Yay! Personal bias is always more fun when it isn't hidden!

[Imperium Anglorum]

I don't agree with any of the points about the region The Western Isles. What Vancouvia has done with the Western Isles deserves at minimum, a modicum of respect. He has created and run a growing, strong, and active community. It has expanded so quickly and so effectively that it has come to rival many ancient and long-established regions like NationStates, Capitalist Paradise, and my own region, Europe.

While I do not believe that Vancouvia deserves a commendation as the region is but 191 days old. Furthermore, 'leadership' has proven very contentious in the World Assembly, outright paranoid and troll-esque at times, even if there is a great accomplishment in creating so much in so little time. But when it comes down to it, he does not deserve a badge because he neither proven that his region can stand the test of time or shown great harm to NationStates.

Admittedly, his accomplishments in the Western Isles are praiseworthy, much more so due to the difficulty of building a new region from scratch rather than being a custodian of past achievements. Europe does not vote in Security Council resolutions. We believe doing so compromises our neutrality and that commendations are nothing more than popularity contests. But hear, hear, there is accomplishment in building something.

In principio...

[Vancouvia]

Thanks Imperium

[Antartide]

Seeing the overwhelmingly negative response, I'm dropping this and sticking to the GA for the time being.

Well, I guess with a lot more body to it, this proposal might go through... I still don't support it. I mean, don't condemn every democratic delegate.

[Wallenburg]

Seeing the overwhelmingly negative response, I'm dropping this and sticking to the GA for the time being.

Well, I guess with a lot more body to it, this proposal might go through... I still don't support it. I mean, don't condemn every democratic delegate.

"Oh, please."

[Frisbeeteria]

Seeing the overwhelmingly negative response, I'm dropping this and sticking to the GA for the time being.

I'd have thought that between this post and the thread title, people would have enough sense to stop posting. Apparently I was wrong.