NATION

PASSWORD

Condemnation of DEN (Draft)

A chamber dedicated to the dissemination of inter-regional peace and goodwill, via force if necessary.
User avatar
Saxe-Wittenburg
Secretary
 
Posts: 29
Founded: Jan 16, 2015
Ex-Nation

Condemnation of DEN (Draft)

Postby Saxe-Wittenburg » Fri May 29, 2015 10:42 pm

Aware that this esteemed body has already condemned other notorious raiders, but noting the collapse of The Black Riders has led to the increase in strength of lesser regions that raid including DEN.

Appalled that DEN, at the time of this resolution's writing, the eighth largest invader region in the world, having recruited over one hundred and forty nations to engage in acts of wanton destruction against other regions.

Alarmed that much of the infrastructure used to facilitate raiding that was destroyed with the liberation of The Black Riders has now been resurrected by DEN. Additionally noting that this infrastructure has now been modified to ensure greater efficiency for the activities of DEN.

Shocked by the use of tag raiding by DEN in which the raiders of DEN engage in vandalism of dozens of regions and disrupting inter regional communication by destroying embassies.

Appalled by the use of force to construct embassies between DEN and noting that at the time of this resolutions formulation that eighty six regions are being forced to construct embassies with DEN.

Alarmed by the rapid growth of DEN, and noting that this growth has attracted new players through it's destructive appeal.

Insisting that DEN poses a significant threat to international peace which this body is charged with upholding.

Determined therefore to express the international community's permanent mark of disapproval in a comprehensive manner, by denouncing the actions of DEN, and displaying disapproval over DEN's actions which have wreaked a path of havoc and destruction.

Therefore we of the security council hereby condemn DEN.
Last edited by Saxe-Wittenburg on Sat May 30, 2015 9:40 am, edited 7 times in total.
Author of the Constitution of The Nelborne Union & Ex-Delegate of The Nelborne Union

User avatar
Kemintiri of Kemet
Envoy
 
Posts: 241
Founded: Jan 24, 2015
Ex-Nation

Postby Kemintiri of Kemet » Fri May 29, 2015 11:35 pm

That coding: [region=<region>]...
Yo Mama|Elegy for Easter|Black of Knight|On Tagger's Fields|Raid Regions|A Thousand Days of Mourning In Honour Of My Fallen Loved One|Love-lies-bleeding|It Is Heartbreak
Կէմինտիրի Թեոդորա Շնեժ Մոնտրէսոր
Kemintiri T'yeodora Snez Montresor

100 Invader 63 Defender
Niece of Tim Stark, Escade and Solorni
Daughter of Severisen and Xoriet
Niece-by-marriage of Dalimbar
Granddaughter of Minineenee
Descendant of Astarial
Half-sister of Rirersyl
Sister of Ramaeus
Cousin of Knot

User avatar
Steven Mccully
Political Columnist
 
Posts: 3
Founded: Feb 28, 2015
Ex-Nation

Postby Steven Mccully » Fri May 29, 2015 11:41 pm

Have DEN really been around long enough for a Condemnation? All of their previous deeds are still condemned under old resolutions, just under a different name. Do we really want to give them another 'badge of honor'?

User avatar
Saxe-Wittenburg
Secretary
 
Posts: 29
Founded: Jan 16, 2015
Ex-Nation

Postby Saxe-Wittenburg » Fri May 29, 2015 11:47 pm

Steven Mccully wrote:Have DEN really been around long enough for a Condemnation? All of their previous deeds are still condemned under old resolutions, just under a different name. Do we really want to give them another 'badge of honor'?

The region has a very long history and DEN's original founder apparently was highly influential in developing raiding tactics used today on NS, however like the Black Riders commander he got his nation deleted for violating NS rules which caused a similar series of events to what happened in TBR. However somebody almost a year ago re-founded the region.
Author of the Constitution of The Nelborne Union & Ex-Delegate of The Nelborne Union

User avatar
Saxe-Wittenburg
Secretary
 
Posts: 29
Founded: Jan 16, 2015
Ex-Nation

Postby Saxe-Wittenburg » Fri May 29, 2015 11:48 pm

Kemintiri of Kemet wrote:That coding: [region=<region>]...

Thanks I didn't notice that.
Author of the Constitution of The Nelborne Union & Ex-Delegate of The Nelborne Union

User avatar
Steven Mccully
Political Columnist
 
Posts: 3
Founded: Feb 28, 2015
Ex-Nation

Postby Steven Mccully » Fri May 29, 2015 11:50 pm

Saxe-Wittenburg wrote:
Steven Mccully wrote:Have DEN really been around long enough for a Condemnation? All of their previous deeds are still condemned under old resolutions, just under a different name. Do we really want to give them another 'badge of honor'?

The region has a very long history and DEN's original founder apparently was highly influential in developing raiding tactics used today on NS, however like the Black Riders commander he got his nation deleted for violating NS rules which caused a similar series of events to what happened in TBR. However somebody almost a year ago re-founded the region.

So you want to condemn a region that was refounded? What does that achieve?

User avatar
Saxe-Wittenburg
Secretary
 
Posts: 29
Founded: Jan 16, 2015
Ex-Nation

Postby Saxe-Wittenburg » Sat May 30, 2015 12:33 am

Steven Mccully wrote:
Saxe-Wittenburg wrote:The region has a very long history and DEN's original founder apparently was highly influential in developing raiding tactics used today on NS, however like the Black Riders commander he got his nation deleted for violating NS rules which caused a similar series of events to what happened in TBR. However somebody almost a year ago re-founded the region.

So you want to condemn a region that was refounded? What does that achieve?

They also have been raiding since they have been re-founded. Tell me have you ever been in a region that was raided?
Author of the Constitution of The Nelborne Union & Ex-Delegate of The Nelborne Union

User avatar
Bhang Bhang Duc
Senator
 
Posts: 4721
Founded: Dec 17, 2003
Democratic Socialists

Postby Bhang Bhang Duc » Sat May 30, 2015 2:14 am

Therefore we of the security council herby condemn DEN.


Herby was a VW Beetle in a number of Disney movies.

(Ok it was Herbie, but you get the point.)
Former Delegate of The West Pacific. Guardian (under many Delegates) of The West Pacific. TWP's Former Minister for World Assembly Affairs and former Security Council Advisor.

The West Pacific's Official Welshman, Astronomer and Old Fart
Pierconium wrote:I see Funk as an opportunistic manipulator that utilises the means available to him to reach his goals. In other words, a nation after my own heart.

RiderSyl wrote:If an enchantress made it so one raid could bring about world peace, Unibot would ask raiders to just sign a petition instead.

Sedgistan wrote:The SC has just has a spate of really shitty ones recently from Northumbria, his Watermelon fanboy…..

User avatar
Laanvia
Ambassador
 
Posts: 1064
Founded: Oct 07, 2014
Ex-Nation

Postby Laanvia » Sat May 30, 2015 2:16 am

We should commend them. That would be really embarrassing for them.
Protestant Christian and Proud

Pro: Death Penalty, Militarism, Democracy, Civil Rights, Aggressive Foreign Policy, Political Freedom, Free Syrian Army, Khalifa Haftar, Libya, Palestine, Fatah, Kurdistan, Peshmerga, Freedom of Religion, Some aspects of Socialism, Some aspects of communism, UKIP, Social Conservatism, Family Values/Tradition

Good side of Neutral: UK, U.S., ICC, NATO, UN, Conservative Party (U.K.)
Bad Side of Neutral: LGBT, gay marriage, Labour Party (UK), Israel

Anti: Dicatorship, Radical Islam, Donetsk People's Republic, Luhansk People's Republic, Russia, North Korea, Kony, LRA, Al-Nusra, ISIL, Bashar Al-Assad, Hizb'Allah, Iran, Fattah al-Sisi, Omar Al-Bashir, Military Junta, Nuclear Weapons, Green Party, SNP, Hamas

User avatar
Kemintiri of Kemet
Envoy
 
Posts: 241
Founded: Jan 24, 2015
Ex-Nation

Postby Kemintiri of Kemet » Sat May 30, 2015 2:20 am

Laanvia wrote:We should commend them. That would be really embarrassing for them.

That's not a bad idea. Seriously: People could misread "commend" as "condemn" and end up voting for it...
Yo Mama|Elegy for Easter|Black of Knight|On Tagger's Fields|Raid Regions|A Thousand Days of Mourning In Honour Of My Fallen Loved One|Love-lies-bleeding|It Is Heartbreak
Կէմինտիրի Թեոդորա Շնեժ Մոնտրէսոր
Kemintiri T'yeodora Snez Montresor

100 Invader 63 Defender
Niece of Tim Stark, Escade and Solorni
Daughter of Severisen and Xoriet
Niece-by-marriage of Dalimbar
Granddaughter of Minineenee
Descendant of Astarial
Half-sister of Rirersyl
Sister of Ramaeus
Cousin of Knot

User avatar
Laanvia
Ambassador
 
Posts: 1064
Founded: Oct 07, 2014
Ex-Nation

Postby Laanvia » Sat May 30, 2015 2:23 am

Kemintiri of Kemet wrote:
Laanvia wrote:We should commend them. That would be really embarrassing for them.

That's not a bad idea. Seriously: People could misread "commend" as "condemn" and end up voting for it...

That's like giving the kid in school who thinks he's cool (rhyme) an award for being the most helpful. :lol2:
Protestant Christian and Proud

Pro: Death Penalty, Militarism, Democracy, Civil Rights, Aggressive Foreign Policy, Political Freedom, Free Syrian Army, Khalifa Haftar, Libya, Palestine, Fatah, Kurdistan, Peshmerga, Freedom of Religion, Some aspects of Socialism, Some aspects of communism, UKIP, Social Conservatism, Family Values/Tradition

Good side of Neutral: UK, U.S., ICC, NATO, UN, Conservative Party (U.K.)
Bad Side of Neutral: LGBT, gay marriage, Labour Party (UK), Israel

Anti: Dicatorship, Radical Islam, Donetsk People's Republic, Luhansk People's Republic, Russia, North Korea, Kony, LRA, Al-Nusra, ISIL, Bashar Al-Assad, Hizb'Allah, Iran, Fattah al-Sisi, Omar Al-Bashir, Military Junta, Nuclear Weapons, Green Party, SNP, Hamas

User avatar
Herby
Diplomat
 
Posts: 958
Founded: Jul 13, 2014
Ex-Nation

Postby Herby » Sat May 30, 2015 5:16 am

Bhang Bhang Duc wrote:
Therefore we of the security council herby condemn DEN.


Herby was a VW Beetle in a number of Disney movies.

(Ok it was Herbie, but you get the point.)

Beat me to it.
-- Ambassador #53. From the nation of Herby. But you can call me Herby.

Herby's doors and windows are ALWAYS locked when she's in the Strangers' Bar (unless she unlocks them for you). And, she has no accelerator, a mock steering wheel, and no gear shifter. So, no joyrides.

User avatar
We Are Not the NSA
Ambassador
 
Posts: 1542
Founded: Nov 25, 2013
Father Knows Best State

Postby We Are Not the NSA » Sat May 30, 2015 6:14 am

Laanvia wrote:We should commend them. That would be really embarrassing for them.

I have a draft that I can convert ;)
\▼/We Are Not the NSA | Nohbdy | Eumaeus\▼/

Raiding HistorySecurity CouncilDear NativesTWP Raid

Retired Raider | He, Him, His | Bisexual

User avatar
The Stalker
Ambassador
 
Posts: 1274
Founded: Jan 04, 2012
Father Knows Best State

Postby The Stalker » Sat May 30, 2015 2:14 pm

This seems too soon to me. So far their largest missions was just finishing up what they started in Atheist Empire under TBR name.

I think it be wiser to wait till they have a few large scale raids under their belt as newly reborn DEN, rather than just condemning them for being the heirs of TBR.
The Mad King of Hell
I am the "who" when you call, "Who's there?"
Hell's Bells: Ask not for whom the bell tolls, it tolls for thee.
This isn't Wall Street, this is Hell. We have a little something called integrity.
And I heard as it were the noise of thunder, One of the four beasts saying come and see and I saw, and behold...

User avatar
Naginii
Spokesperson
 
Posts: 103
Founded: Jul 21, 2004
Ex-Nation

This has nothing to do with DEN, it's about killing TBR.

Postby Naginii » Mon Jun 01, 2015 8:42 am

It seems to me this is a piece of legislation wanting to make a boogeyman, and to try again to continue to kick the TBR corpse.

Their nation was raided, destroyed and occupied. That region now has 500+ nations in it and growing. The TBR refugees were homeless and scattered and it's obvious some want them kept that way. Left to wander the desert. Yes, they've pulled together 100+ nations in remaking a regional home. Normally, we'd consider this healthy for the game. But these are raiders, so the hypocrisy card is played and they are framed to fit the necessary worldview that they're the second coming of Attila the Hun. That's ludicrous. What's at issue here is the audacity of these TBR emigres to refuse to die, to go away.

So, to keep them down the proposal needs to paint them as a clear-and-present danger to all of NS. It's the oldest, and saddest, tactic in all of geopolitics. Use fictionalized threats of impending danger and fear in order to justify government action against someone. Their current tactics aren't my style, but they're also not likely to continue as they mature.

What they've done thus far as DEN hardly rises to anyone's measure or metric for barbarity nor threat. They're not the DEN of General Franks, the DEN of your NS nightmares. The only thing they're really guilty of is being ex-TBR and not leaving the game when their region was destroyed. I applaud them for that.

User avatar
Saxe-Wittenburg
Secretary
 
Posts: 29
Founded: Jan 16, 2015
Ex-Nation

Postby Saxe-Wittenburg » Mon Jun 01, 2015 9:36 am

Naginii wrote:It seems to me this is a piece of legislation wanting to make a boogeyman, and to try again to continue to kick the TBR corpse.

Their nation was raided, destroyed and occupied. That region now has 500+ nations in it and growing. The TBR refugees were homeless and scattered and it's obvious some want them kept that way. Left to wander the desert. Yes, they've pulled together 100+ nations in remaking a regional home. Normally, we'd consider this healthy for the game. But these are raiders, so the hypocrisy card is played and they are framed to fit the necessary worldview that they're the second coming of Attila the Hun. That's ludicrous. What's at issue here is the audacity of these TBR emigres to refuse to die, to go away.

So, to keep them down the proposal needs to paint them as a clear-and-present danger to all of NS. It's the oldest, and saddest, tactic in all of geopolitics. Use fictionalized threats of impending danger and fear in order to justify government action against someone. Their current tactics aren't my style, but they're also not likely to continue as they mature.

What they've done thus far as DEN hardly rises to anyone's measure or metric for barbarity nor threat. They're not the DEN of General Franks, the DEN of your NS nightmares. The only thing they're really guilty of is being ex-TBR and not leaving the game when their region was destroyed. I applaud them for that.

That coming from a resident of DEN......
Author of the Constitution of The Nelborne Union & Ex-Delegate of The Nelborne Union

User avatar
Evil Wolf
Minister
 
Posts: 2412
Founded: Apr 28, 2005
Father Knows Best State

Postby Evil Wolf » Mon Jun 01, 2015 6:13 pm

Saxe-Wittenburg wrote:That coming from a resident of DEN......


And that make's Naginii's point less valid because...?
It's ok! You can trust me! I've been Commended!

Kryozerkia wrote:In the good old days raiding was illegal
Crazy Girl wrote:Invading was never illegal
[violet] wrote:There is supposed to be an invasion game.

Mallorea and Riva should be a Game Moderator Game Administrator.

User avatar
-Larry- (Ancient)
Attaché
 
Posts: 73
Founded: May 24, 2015
Ex-Nation

Postby -Larry- (Ancient) » Mon Jun 01, 2015 6:18 pm

Evil Wolf wrote:
Saxe-Wittenburg wrote:That coming from a resident of DEN......


And that make's Naginii's point less valid because...?

Condemnation is a badge of honor to raiders.

User avatar
Kaboomlandia
Negotiator
 
Posts: 7395
Founded: May 22, 2013
Ex-Nation

Postby Kaboomlandia » Mon Jun 01, 2015 6:32 pm

Looks like you went ahead and submitted this.
In=character, Kaboomlandia is a World Assembly member and abides by its resolutions. If this nation isn't in the WA, it's for practical reasons.
Author of GA #371 and SC #208, #214, #226, #227, #230, #232
Co-Author of SC #204
"Insanity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting a different result."
Only two things are infinite, the universe and human stupidity, and I'm not sure about the former."

"Your legitimacy, Kaboom, has melted away in my eyes. I couldn't have believed that only a shadow of your once brilliant WA career remains."

User avatar
Greater Soviet Ukraine
Ambassador
 
Posts: 1128
Founded: Apr 21, 2014
Ex-Nation

Postby Greater Soviet Ukraine » Mon Jun 01, 2015 6:34 pm

Why? Just why?

User avatar
Saxe-Wittenburg
Secretary
 
Posts: 29
Founded: Jan 16, 2015
Ex-Nation

Postby Saxe-Wittenburg » Mon Jun 01, 2015 6:39 pm

This proposal has now been submitted to the security council! May DEN's members reap what it has sown.
Author of the Constitution of The Nelborne Union & Ex-Delegate of The Nelborne Union

User avatar
Kaboomlandia
Negotiator
 
Posts: 7395
Founded: May 22, 2013
Ex-Nation

Postby Kaboomlandia » Mon Jun 01, 2015 6:41 pm

Saxe-Wittenburg wrote:This proposal has now been submitted to the security council! May DEN's members reap what it has sown.

This was only up for three days. Give it time to debate.
In=character, Kaboomlandia is a World Assembly member and abides by its resolutions. If this nation isn't in the WA, it's for practical reasons.
Author of GA #371 and SC #208, #214, #226, #227, #230, #232
Co-Author of SC #204
"Insanity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting a different result."
Only two things are infinite, the universe and human stupidity, and I'm not sure about the former."

"Your legitimacy, Kaboom, has melted away in my eyes. I couldn't have believed that only a shadow of your once brilliant WA career remains."

User avatar
Naginii
Spokesperson
 
Posts: 103
Founded: Jul 21, 2004
Ex-Nation

Postby Naginii » Mon Jun 01, 2015 7:37 pm

Saxe-Wittenburg wrote:
Naginii wrote:That coming from a resident of DEN......


Mate, I'm a resident of the IDF and have been since 2004. I am a retired DEN/DEN Army trooper and general officer. I've never been a "resident" of this particular DEN. Along with several other ex-DEN officers, I'm merely one of several unofficial advisers.

DEN has been active in one form or another since 2004, under numerous leaders and using many, many different styles of raiding. This particular incarnation haven't been around long enough to do anything worthy of the WASC's time in a vote to brand them.

But like the others have said, raiders don't fear brands. They tend to add to the caché and street cred among the raider brotherhood, as well as on the gamemap just like the skull and bones flag warned pirate victims. It also gives their collective egos and attitudes a major boost — and when you're a reconstituted region, all that helps.

I might add that around the same time this proposal went live, a nation popped into DEN and resorted to rather colorful language in his "support" of a forthcoming condemnation...I believe the term "scumbags" was used: https://www.nationstates.net/page=rmb/p ... 444/show=1

The author of this proposal then appeared and took to the DEN RMB to do a bit of promotion, quoting the above nation's screed, and announcing their proposal rather loudly, "...May all who support DEN receive their justly deserved penance!"

All a bit theatrical. All that was missed was leaping from the balcony yelling, "Sic, Semper Tyrannis!"

I've been involved in the raider/defender game a decade now, and I don't recall a region being called evil before they've really been given a fair chance to do anything of the sort. Perhaps this has to do with the specter of DEN and Franks? Or maybe it really is just all about blind hatred of TBR.

From a branding and creative strategy point of view (my RW expertise), you're doing these guys a huge favor. You're about to make them into something they're not yet. Pass this bit of fear-based fiction, and you advance their cause in giving the new DEN a distinction and a story they haven't yet earned — but will appreciate.
Last edited by Naginii on Mon Jun 01, 2015 7:58 pm, edited 1 time in total.

User avatar
Age of Adaline
Political Columnist
 
Posts: 4
Founded: May 23, 2015
Ex-Nation

Postby Age of Adaline » Mon Jun 01, 2015 8:17 pm

Approved.

User avatar
Jean Pierre Trudeau
Ambassador
 
Posts: 1158
Founded: Nov 20, 2013
Ex-Nation

Postby Jean Pierre Trudeau » Mon Jun 01, 2015 8:24 pm

Kaboomlandia wrote:
Saxe-Wittenburg wrote:This proposal has now been submitted to the security council! May DEN's members reap what it has sown.

This was only up for three days. Give it time to debate.


And???? It's not illegal and stands a real good chance of actually passing. Who gives a shit how long it was up?
Jean Pierre Trudeau
Chancellor, United Federation of Canada,
Premier, The North American Union
World Assembly Resolution Author

Socialism is NOT Communism.

Next

Advertisement

Remove ads

Return to Security Council

Who is online

Users browsing this forum: No registered users

Advertisement

Remove ads