[DEFEATED] Repeal SC#11 "Liberate Democratia"

[Sedgistan]

Repeal "Liberate Democratia"
A resolution to repeal previously passed legislation.

Category: Repeal | Resolution: SC#11 | Proposed by: Jean Pierre Trudeau

The Security Council,

Noting that on September 1, 2009 Democratia was invaded by The Axis of Evil, who placed a secret password in place, thus attempting to destroy the native community,

Realizing that on November 29, 2009 The Security Council liberated Democratia allowing the native population to regain control of the region,

Disappointed that on February 23, 2015 The Doom Squad was successful in refounding the region via a sleeper nation,

Outraged that The Doom Squad is now flaunting the liberation as "Proud to be the only liberated region under permanent raider control!! The "peace zone" is no more. Huzzah!",

Believing Security Council Resolution #11 has fulfilled it's obligation, and as Democratia is now under control of a founder, beleiving the Security Council should wash it's hands of this resolution,

Hereby repeals SECURITY COUNCIL RESOLUTION # 11 "Liberate Democratia".

[Bhang Bhang Duc]

Pretty straightforward case for a repeal - you might want to edit the header under the flag though. Currently it reads "Repeal Nuclear Testing Safety".

[Evil Wolf]

Repeal "Nuclear Testing Safety"
A resolution to repeal previously passed legislation.

Category: Repeal | Resolution: SC#11 | Proposed by: Jean Pierre Trudeau[/align]

The Security Council,

Noting that on September 1, 2009 Democratia was invaded by The Axis of Evil, who placed a secret password in place, thus attempting to destroy the native community,

Uh, what?

Confusing your proposed repeals, are we?

[Redsward]

Against, this is similar to "Repeal "Liberate Republicans."" The lib is pointless now, but it has historical importance...

[Evil Wolf]

Against, this is similar to "Repeal "Liberate Republicans."" The lib is pointless now, but it has historical importance...

Yes, but the difference being that Democratia got refounded by Crashers and Republicans didn't.

Behold and be amazed as the same people who opposed repealing the Liberation on Republicans will come out in droves to support the Liberation on Democratia. Probably using the same arguments they rejected and refused to listen to when we were debating Liberate Republicans.

This is the Security Council. If you're not contradicting your own prior statements in order to advance your ideological viewpoint, you're not playing the game correctly.

[Jean Pierre Trudeau]

you might want to edit the header under the flag though. Currently it reads "Repeal Nuclear Testing Safety".

Thank you for pointing that out. That could have been real embarrassing.

Repeal "Nuclear Testing Safety"
A resolution to repeal previously passed legislation.

Category: Repeal | Resolution: SC#11 | Proposed by: Jean Pierre Trudeau[/align]

The Security Council,

Noting that on September 1, 2009 Democratia was invaded by The Axis of Evil, who placed a secret password in place, thus attempting to destroy the native community,

Uh, what?

Confusing your proposed repeals, are we?

Yeah.... I was on a spree of writing up proposals.

Against, this is similar to "Repeal "Liberate Republicans."" The lib is pointless now, but it has historical importance...

You could have had your badge right here.

If no objections, I am going to send this to the floor.

[Aelbarrow]

there are 2 of these submitted in the security council proposals que

[Jean Pierre Trudeau]

there are 2 of these submitted in the security council proposals que

Yes. But I am campaigning for mine.

[Evil Wolf]

there are 2 of these submitted in the security council proposals que

Yes, it does seem that everyone is tripping over themselves to get on board the Repeal Train, however, Arione's proposal needs 71 more approvals and with only 1 day and 8 hours remaining, it is unlikely to reach quota.

Jean Pierre Trudeau's proposal, on the other hand, was just submitted less than an hour ago. Much more likely to reach quota.

[Consular]

No point in liberating a refounded region. Support.

[Bhang Bhang Duc]

No point in liberating a refounded region. Support.

I'm fairly certain we can get Darkesia to throw TWP'S vote behind this. I remember her getting a lot of grief from a Doom Squad member, Grandpa Snowman if I remember correctly.

Nothing like a bit of payback.

[Jean Pierre Trudeau]

No point in liberating a refounded region. Support.

I'm fairly certain we can get Darkesia to throw TWP'S vote behind this. I remember her getting a lot of grief from a Doom Squad member, Grandpa Snowman if I remember correctly.

Nothing like a bit of payback.

Any support would be super.

[Redsward]

Despite my opposition, I will still congratulate you for pushing the proposal to quorum.

[Jean Pierre Trudeau]

I beat ya CD!

[Aynempa]

Meh a region refounded by an invader puppet after kicking everyone out, leave it liberated, if they had wanted it off they should of done it before it was reset.

[Jean Pierre Trudeau]

Meh a region refounded by an invader puppet after kicking everyone out, leave it liberated, if they had wanted it off they should of done it before it was reset.

Ummm. The point is they are now gloating over having the badge. They are a nothing raider group, and I mean NOTHING. Why should they deserve to possess a founded region with a liberation badge? When the founder CTE's within a month, the region will CTE, and can be refounded by yet another reaider group who will flaunt the bade if we don't remove it now.

[Dogger Land]

Lectori Salutem,

Noting that:

• the Central Committee of the Fisherman's Party of the Federation of Dogger Land, issued a statement in favor of supporting this resolution as this will be the proper conduct from the ideological point of view;
   
• the National Defense Committee of the Naval Forces of the Federation of Dogger Land published a rapport arguing that the implications of this resolution, if it were to be passed, would be in the strategic interest of the Federation of Dogger Land;

the Government of the Federation of Doggerment has decided to vote **for** this resolution.

Evolutionary Salute!


Fisher King,
Prime Minister of the Federation of Dogger Land
Secretary-general of the Central Committee of the Fisherman's Party of the Federation of Dogger Land
Chairman of the National Defense Committee of the Naval Forces of the Federation of Dogger Land

[Arcanda]

Wouldn't that be giving up against the raiders to repeal that proposition?

[Socialist Republic of Stoa]

I'm admittedly new to these sorts of machinations.

That being said, from what I understand the point of a Liberation is to remove the raiders, and repopulate the region with native members. If this region is indeed under the control of a raider, and is being supported by raiders, then in my view the Liberation did not succeed yet. Can we call this region liberated if the raiders were not removed? No!

So then, I'm torn. Do we repeal the Liberation because it didn't work? Or, do we keep the Liberation in place because, from my point of view, this is an on-going mission. If we repeal the Liberation mid-way, then we're doing nothing more than giving up the region. This is a very intriguing argument, and can be seen in both lights as a defender. I look forward to observing the rest of the debate, and deciding how to cast my nation's vote when appropriate.

[Kaboomlandia]

I'm *againsr* this proposition.

My reasoning is that taking away the liberation will leave the raiders free to do what they like.

[Arione]

Repeal the lib. Congrats on campaigning to get your resolution to vote.

[Bhang Bhang Duc]

I'm fairly certain we can get Darkesia to throw TWP'S vote behind this. I remember her getting a lot of grief from a Doom Squad member, Grandpa Snowman if I remember correctly.

Nothing like a bit of payback.

Unfortunately I was wrong about being able to persuade Darkesia - our Delegate is a lady of strong principles where Liberations and repeals of Liberations are concerned. And she sticks by them, so no support for this repeal.

[Ramaeus]

I'm *againsr* this proposition.

My reasoning is that taking away the liberation will leave the raiders free to do what they like.

wat

There's a password on the region, and the raiders refounded it. They're already "free to do what they like".

[Ratateague]

I don't get why everyone is voting against. The region has been refounded by said raiders. They own the region now. Seeing as a founder's lockdown overrides any liberation attempt, and they can eject with impunity, all it's really doing is giving them a badge.

To clarify for the ones that don't seem to get it: liberations are for removing passwords from founderless regions. This region has a founder now. It also has a password. Ergo, the liberation has not and will not do anything to return the region to its previous natives..

[Drewlantis]

Well it's also intriguing because the Doom Squad no longer exists anyways. All of the raiders have moved to TBR and it seems as though the people flaunting that they have control of a Liberated region no longer exist anyways.. That being said, even though no one really is around who is flaunting the capture, the Liberation still needs to be repealed because it can't accomplish anything. It's pointless to keep around something so ineffective and useless. Just more clutter in the SC code book.