[PASSED] Commend Evil Wolf

[Alister]

I do not believe we should commend this nations actions, for if we do, we shine a good light one dictatorships/ father knows best states. It would be like commending north Korea. If you don't believe me read Evil Wolf national descriptions. which include "notable for its public floggings, absence of drug laws, and compulsory gun ownership", "ruled by a mostly-benevolent dictator, who grants the populace the freedom to live their own lives but watches carefully for anyone to slip up" and "frequent executions". DO NOT COMMEND THE ATROCITES THIS NATION COMMETS TO ITS PEOPLE.

[KaelThas Quilor]

We're commending the player, not the nation, dear god, we commended nations of similarly 'bad' national descriptions.

Also, spellcheck.

[Communist Eraser]

I do not believe we should commend this nations actions, for if we do, we shine a good light one dictatorships/ father knows best states. It would be like commending north Korea. If you don't believe me read Evil Wolf national descriptions. which include "notable for its public floggings, absence of drug laws, and compulsory gun ownership", "ruled by a mostly-benevolent dictator, who grants the populace the freedom to live their own lives but watches carefully for anyone to slip up" and "frequent executions". DO NOT COMMEND THE ATROCITES THIS NATION COMMETS TO ITS PEOPLE.

Totally agree. But only because it'll be neat to see someone play NS as 'Single Universe', where everything is relevant.

(list in sig, 4th idea)

[Old Hope]

Can someone make a Condemnation? A commendation would seem one-sided for me, and Evil Wolf should get codemmned. And then repeal this... because bad outweighs good here.

[KaelThas Quilor]

Yea, no.

[Drewlantis]

"It is entirely within our ability to commend Evil Wolf, despite the national politics this nation has within it." Ambassador Burgenheimer peers over the top of his glasses and stands. "The problem arises" he states as he begins pacing in the conference room, "not with his commendable actions within the past, but rather with his actions in the now. Evil Wolf is currently in a condemned region, Lone Wolves United I believe, and so to commend this nation or leader for actions it has preformed and yet to condemn the very region in which it resides.. It seems hypocritical and rather contradictory to me." The Ambassador stops pacing. "We must judge based on one's action currently, and currently Evil Wolf is part of a raiding pack. This in not commendable material and this resolution should fail"

[KaelThas Quilor]

He's not being commended for his raiding.

[Drewlantis]

He's not being commended for his raiding.

Commending an individual commends everything about the individual. It's one of the traits of the word. Otherwise a nation may be commended and condemned at the same time.

[Zaolat]

He's not being commended for his raiding.

Commending an individual commends everything about the individual. It's one of the traits of the word. Otherwise a nation may be commended and condemned at the same time.

No, and secondly we've had a nation be commended and condemned at the same time before.

[RiderSyl]

Otherwise a nation may be commended and condemned at the same time.

Yeah, that already happened. So, let me ask a question here... You don't know common knowledge about Security Council history. According to your profile page, you spend basically none of your time in this forum.
Why are you acting like you're in a position to educate others on how the SC works, and how things should be?

[Novus Niciae]

In 2014 Evil Wolf obtained the password to Nazi Europe from German Dragons and organized a raid against it. This lead to its direct destruction and refounding.

For this alone he should get a commendation, an annual parade and a lifetime supply of bacon.

[KaelThas Quilor]

Yea, no. That alone is far from enough.

[Drewlantis]

Otherwise a nation may be commended and condemned at the same time.

Yeah, that already happened. So, let me ask a question here... You don't know common knowledge about Security Council history. According to your profile page, you spend basically none of your time in this forum.
Why are you acting like you're in a position to educate others on how the SC works, and how things should be?

OOC: I was, if you may recall, referring to a word, not an action taken by the SC. I am frankly surprised that something like this has happened, because while the SC is an international body unto itself, I expected the international legality code to apply. That is, I expected the SC to actually adhere to the internationally recognized process of drafting legislation in RL. I suppose this is only a "simulator" and as such is not required to actually provide legal correctness, however since many of you seem to be sticklers I thought that international, or rather common sense law writing would be applicable. Let me tell you something about legislation drafting, as I am an international relations poli sci grad with my masters as well as law school, you have committed a common mistake within the process of commending and condemning, and that is of conflicting legislation being passed. Regardless of whether or not the individual has committed commendable and condemnable actions, this particular "badge" is awarded to a nation. Not upon a page about their achievements, but actually on the nation's page. That is a signification of the individual's worth. An individual is the sum of their actions, and so to condemn and commend is the same as saying that something is easily labeled as "black" or "white." For example a zebra is both black and white, but you can't say, "look at that 'black' zebra." A nation may be both bad and good, but you can not say "look at that good nation" and then turn around and say "look at that bad nation." You have run into a definition problem, and since this is a "law-making" assembly I assumed that definitions were important. Now let me ask you a question, if it doesn't matter if a nation has committed international atrocities, and is part of a group that still does, but due to some helpful and generous actions taken in the past is brought up for a commendation, does that nation deserve it? If yes I remind you of the Germans prior to WWI. Prussia and her sister German states helped to suppress revolutions rocking Hungary, and then joined together to become a unified Germany, only to enter WWI in an attempt to conquer Europe. Is this nation deserving of other nations to commend? If yes then there is nothing anyone can do to enlighten you and I bid you adieu.
However, I do apologize. I made a hasty generalization based off of previously knowledge of legislative bodies, I am sorry for any discomfort and annoyance I may have caused.

[Todd McCloud]

Commend Evil Wolf was passed 6,985 votes to 4,982.

[Frenline Delpha]

Commend Evil Wolf was passed 6,985 votes to 4,982.

I am dissapointed. I never wanted this to pass. After I saw that he was part of raiders, I withdrew my approval from this proposition. A raider is a raider.

[KaelThas Quilor]

Commend Evil Wolf was passed 6,985 votes to 4,982.

I am dissapointed. I never wanted this to pass. After I saw that he was part of raiders, I withdrew my approval from this proposition. A raider is a raider.

Yes, well, the rest of the WA decided you were wrong and yay.

The Security Council has never been and never will be some grand noble institution. Don't pretend it is.

[Redsward]

I was against, but not because he was a raider. I just felt that his raiding spree conflicts with the positive actions stated in the resolution. Perfect harmony and balance.

Also, I think Mall only wrote this because Zaolat wrote this:

I'm still relatively new to nationstates and was just curious as to when you would put forward a proposition to the security council to condemn another nation.

First you look up info about the nation to be condemned. Find the reasons they are condemn worthy; look up sources from the forums, those knowledgeable about the nation, etc.

Here's a good nation to start with.

[Consular]

Congrats on getting this passed! It was a reasonably close vote.

[Evil Wolf]

*Dances*

[Naginii]

Somewhere, several rabid anti-raider ex-nations I used to have long-drawn-out fights with in here, are quietly drowning their keyboards in tears. This group may have commended "raiders" in the past, but not of the current generation, and certainly not in the era of the "Liberation" rule.

Congratulations. You've set legal and official precedent.

[Chester Pearson]

Congratulations. You've set legal and official precedent.

I believe that was the point....

[Mousebumples]

Somewhere, several rabid anti-raider ex-nations I used to have long-drawn-out fights with in here, are quietly drowning their keyboards in tears. This group may have commended "raiders" in the past, but not of the current generation, and certainly not in the era of the "Liberation" rule.

Congratulations. You've set legal and official precedent.

Untrue, actually. Commend SkyDip commended a player who was (among other things) an active member in NS Gameplay, usually falling on the raid side of things. He also served as the Grand Admiral within Europeia for a few terms, leading our Navy.

[Klaus Devestatorie]

Somewhere, several rabid anti-raider ex-nations I used to have long-drawn-out fights with in here, are quietly drowning their keyboards in tears. This group may have commended "raiders" in the past, but not of the current generation, and certainly not in the era of the "Liberation" rule.

Congratulations. You've set legal and official precedent.

Untrue, actually. Commend SkyDip commended a player who was (among other things) an active member in NS Gameplay, usually falling on the raid side of things. He also served as the Grand Admiral within Europeia for a few terms, leading our Navy.

Except Europeia refuses to refer to themselves as raiders, whereas Evil Wolf is quite proud of being one.

[Consular]

I think it safe to say there is a considerable difference between Evil Wolf and Skydip, not least in terms of the destruction they caused.

[Tano]

Somewhere, several rabid anti-raider ex-nations I used to have long-drawn-out fights with in here, are quietly drowning their keyboards in tears. This group may have commended "raiders" in the past, but not of the current generation, and certainly not in the era of the "Liberation" rule.

Congratulations. You've set legal and official precedent.

Evil Wolf is defiantly not of the current generation

Unless you meant that this current generation of the SC has not commended any raiders. In which case I have no idea.