[NEW Draft!] Commend The Black Riders

[We Are Not the NSA]

So, I understand that they've added their own little element to the game for some players, but what about people who don't want to have to worry about raiders mucking up their region? What about those who don't want a locked region and be forced to have a founder that has to watch everything carefully, and maybe just want to RP?

I feel like the Black Riders do add a certain element, but at the same time take away a lot for other players. If you were to ask me, I'd ban them all. They simply don't care about people who find it irritating, rather than fun to deal with raiders.

EDIT: I'd also like to add, they make a lot of the game bland, all they do when they raid a region is put up that stupid banner and then suppress posts, oh so fun.

So, you want to ban other players for playing the game differently than you? Anyways, if a region does not want a password and doesn't want to be raided, they can just make their WA delegate non-executive. Delegate powers are not necessary for RPing. Also, in my personal opinion, I find RPing rather boring. At least in game play there are actual repercussions: regions actually being invaded by another, which actually changes what the game is like, as opposed to a pretend army pretend fighting another pretend army.

Also treating it like Raiders are the only irritating people in this game is completely ludicrous, just check tbr's rmb for proof.

[Rundashia]

So, I understand that they've added their own little element to the game for some players, but what about people who don't want to have to worry about raiders mucking up their region? What about those who don't want a locked region and be forced to have a founder that has to watch everything carefully, and maybe just want to RP?

I feel like the Black Riders do add a certain element, but at the same time take away a lot for other players. If you were to ask me, I'd ban them all. They simply don't care about people who find it irritating, rather than fun to deal with raiders.

EDIT: I'd also like to add, they make a lot of the game bland, all they do when they raid a region is put up that stupid banner and then suppress posts, oh so fun.

So, you want to ban other players for playing the game differently than you? Anyways, if a region does not want a password and doesn't want to be raided, they can just make their WA delegate non-executive. Delegate powers are not necessary for RPing. Also, in my personal opinion, I find RPing rather boring. At least in game play there are actual repercussions: regions actually being invaded by another, which actually changes what the game is like, as opposed to a pretend army pretend fighting another pretend army.

Also treating it like Raiders are the only irritating people in this game is completely ludicrous, just check tbr's rmb for proof.

They add to the amount of irritating people, never did I say they were the only irritating people.

I agree on one thing, you could make the WA Delegate non-executive to say the least, however still there are people who don't want to do that.

As for you, I don't care if you find RPing boring or not, or if you don't think there's repercussions, but for someone that's been doing it for a long time.. well there are repercussions to RP for us, and it's fun. You're not the only person playing.

And, if they aren't banned, then the act of doing it should be, OR give regions the explicit option to be raided or not. Otherwise step off other people's business. The least you guys could do is, I don't know, look for regions that might find fun out of being raided, rather than raiding random regions.

[We Are Not the NSA]

So, you want to ban other players for playing the game differently than you? Anyways, if a region does not want a password and doesn't want to be raided, they can just make their WA delegate non-executive. Delegate powers are not necessary for RPing. Also, in my personal opinion, I find RPing rather boring. At least in game play there are actual repercussions: regions actually being invaded by another, which actually changes what the game is like, as opposed to a pretend army pretend fighting another pretend army.

Also treating it like Raiders are the only irritating people in this game is completely ludicrous, just check tbr's rmb for proof.

They add to the amount of irritating people, never did I say they were the only irritating people.

I agree on one thing, you could make the WA Delegate non-executive to say the least, however still there are people who don't want to do that.

As for you, I don't care if you find RPing boring or not, or if you don't think there's repercussions, but for someone that's been doing it for a long time.. well there are repercussions to RP for us, and it's fun. You're not the only person playing.

And, if they aren't banned, then the act of doing it should be, OR give regions the explicit option to be raided or not. Otherwise step off other people's business. The least you guys could do is, I don't know, look for regions that might find fun out of being raided, rather than raiding random regions.

I said there aren't repurcussions, I never said that Rpers should be banned. I have nothing against role play, I just find it a little boring. I meant no offense in that regards.

And in regards to "then the act of doing it should be", raiding was basically legalized when the influence system was introduced, and there is a section on it in the FAQ, where its existence is acknowledged. All the FAQ says is :
"A third way is a bunch of nations from a different region unexpectedly move in, endorse each other, and seize the Delegacy in a coup. This one is called "the invasion game" (also "raiding," or "R/D" for raiding/defending).

The invasion game is somewhat controversial: some people find it fun to crash into other people's regions, some people enjoy trying to stop them, and some think the entire practice should be banned.

Both the invader and defender sides are highly organized, although there are plenty of smaller-scale conflicts.

Detailed information can be found in this forum post: "Basics of Military Gameplay.""

No where in there does it say that raiding is illegal, which means that it is legal. Lastly, please, enlighten me, which regions are there that want to get invaded? One of the main premises of my proposal is that nobody likes to be raided, which makes tbr a common enemy.

[Rundashia]

Alright, they don't "want" to be raided, but as you said there's people who enjoy defending from raiders. It's all pointless semantics.

[Redsward]

Alright, they don't "want" to be raided, but as you said there's people who enjoy defending from raiders. It's all pointless semantics.

This is not what this thread is about. We're supposed to be discussing a draft.

[Rundashia]

Alright, they don't "want" to be raided, but as you said there's people who enjoy defending from raiders. It's all pointless semantics.

This is not what this thread is about. We're supposed to be discussing a draft.

It's related, is it not?

[Confederate Ramenia]

Will support, so they can be both condemned and commended.

[Sedgistan]

Use the actual name of the region - "The Black Riders".

But would I treat like a plural or a singular word?

That's a grammar issue, not a rules issue, and there are others far more qualified than me to give advice on such matters People have used both "The Black Riders have" and "The Black Riders has" - use whichever you think sounds best.

[Mundiferrum]

I think since you're referring to the region, and not to the people composing the region, the singular would be better. Think of "The Black Riders" as a term in the singular ending as if it were plural, like "Physics" or "Economics".

[We Are Not the NSA]

I think I'm going to refer to it as a plural, as long as it does not matter which, because it sounds better. Does anyone have any comments on the examples of TBR raids?

[We Are Not the NSA]

Unless anyone has anything left to add, I plan to submit this proposal at the end of the week. Thanks for all the additions everyone!

[Blood Wine]

I wish you were the NSA,then you would be more informed regarding GP elements


PSA:I'm joking

[Archiedonas]

Although the Black Riders have invaded my region before, this does make sense. But instead of a commendation, I would go for repealing your current condemnation.

[Redsward]

Although the Black Riders have invaded my region before, this does make sense. But instead of a commendation, I would go for repealing your current condemnation.

Exactly. Most defenders don't get that they WANT the badge. That's actually the case with most invader regions. In fact, the only condemned region that didn't want the badge was Allied States of EuroIslanders, who were condemned for forum destruction.

Same with many different nations, like all the "evil" RP legends (Milograd, Kenny, etc.), or WA authors (Chester, Douria, etc.).

I'm not kidding about Chester:
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[We Are Not the NSA]

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[b][color=#000034]Invaded by the invincible forces of [region=DEN]!

[url=https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UMLtkp4AFkc][/color][color=#9a6601]Forward for DEN and Gest![/color][/url][hr]

[color=#000034]Troops:[/color][color=#9a6601]

Lieutenant: [nation=short]We Are Not The NSA[/nation]
Corporal: [nation=short]Shadoke[/nation]
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[/color][url=http://w11.zetaboards.com/DEN/index/][color=#000034]Join DEN in the [/color][color=#9a6601] conquest of NationStates![/color][/url][/b]


[NoblePhnx]

Support.

[Annihilators of Chan Island]

I support this motion. Huzzah for the Black Riders!

[Normlpeople]

Clover wandered the hall, searching for her desk and wondering if she even had a chair in this chamber anymore. Giving up, she simply stood on the first empty desk she found. "This is an interesting change of pace from simply giving gold stars to defenders and delegates of large regions. I very much wish to see this get to vote, even for simple amusement. As such, Approved and supported!"

[Mundiferrum]

Clover wandered the hall, searching for her desk and wondering if she even had a chair in this chamber anymore. Giving up, she simply stood on the first empty desk she found. "This is an interesting change of pace from simply giving gold stars to defenders and delegates of large regions. I very much wish to see this get to vote, even for simple amusement. As such, Approved and supported!"

Mundiferrum echoes your sentiment, though not only do we wish to see this get to vote, we also wish to see this pass. We would definitely love to see a region get commended for something typically seen as notorious, if only to encourage more activity in this assembly, as well as greatly bother anyone whose head is a bit too deep into this mess of things.

[We Are Not the NSA]

I found out last night that there is a typo in this proposal ("staes" instead of "states"). I am going to wait for voting to end(lets be honest this is not going through right now) then make a few changes, spend some money on an actual campaign, and then I'll resubmit it. Thank you for the support!

[Naginii]

It was nice that TBR claim to have refounded "DEN," but we didn't ask them to do it, and I doubt any of us ex-DEN vets will vote for this as a means to say, "thank you."

As a retired general officer of DEN/DEN Army, who was present during the short but sharp raider "civil war" of multiple DEN regions' infighting after the deet of Franks' nations and the player's retirement from the game, I can assure you that nobody then involved likely approved nor appreciated "DEN" being refounded by anyone except bona-fide DEN operatives or veterans. If those of us in Franks' inner-circle had wanted to keep the original region open, or later refound it for any reason, we would've done it. But, after the fall of Franks and other key leaders, the DEN brand had become a mess of too many properties and operations all competing with each other. The organization's time had passed on the gamemap and the major operators had moved-on, so we let it go.

Some things in NS-Land just need to let fade into the digital background, and stay there. Besides, raiders don't need SC commendations.

[Redsward]

It was nice that TBR claim to have refounded "DEN," but we didn't ask them to do it, and I doubt any of us ex-DEN vets will vote for this as a means to say, "thank you."

As a retired general officer of DEN/DEN Army, who was present during the short but sharp raider "civil war" of multiple DEN regions' infighting after the deet of Franks' nations and the player's retirement from the game, I can assure you that nobody then involved likely approved nor appreciated "DEN" being refounded by anyone except bona-fide DEN operatives or veterans. If those of us in Franks' inner-circle had wanted to keep the original region open, or later refound it for any reason, we would've done it. But, after the fall of Franks and other key leaders, the DEN brand had become a mess of too many properties and operations all competing with each other. The organization's time had passed on the gamemap and the major operators had moved-on, so we let it go.

Some things in NS-Land just need to let fade into the digital background, and stay there. Besides, raiders don't need SC commendations.

The only exception being the Skeleton Army. But that was a long time ago.

[Mundiferrum]

Some things in NS-Land just need to let fade into the digital background, and stay there. Besides, raiders don't need SC commendations.

...neither do defenders, and they seem to be getting a lot of those.

[Redsward]

Apparently your proposal is failing miserably. And Chester Pearson gave you his stamp of disapproval.

He approves all the bad proposals so they can get defeated at vote.

[Chester Pearson]

Apparently your proposal is failing miserably. And Chester Pearson gave you his stamp of disapproval.

He approves all the bad proposals so they can get defeated at vote.

I approved this one because I hope to see it pass.....