[NEW Draft!] Commend The Black Riders

[Kazark]

A lot of those "Regions the Black Riders have helped to refound" literally say that their natives have been vaporized by TBR.

[Businessland]

Yes, a group devoted to taking over helpless regions and vandalizing their regional description with some sort of crap about a cavalry charge. Truly worthy of shining medal.

They are, at best, irritating vandals that get more attention that they deserve. Waste of time.

[The Other Otter]

Yes, a group devoted to taking over helpless regions and vandalizing their regional description with some sort of crap about a cavalry charge. Truly worthy of shining medal.

They are, at best, irritating vandals that get more attention that they deserve. Waste of time.

And what are you? Retagging like an "irritating vandal"?
-chuckles-

[Businessland]

Eh, no idea what their original tags were. Figured I'd remove the Black Riders imposed tags and stick in the Socialist one that True Serbia keeps bugging me about.

That guy never shuts up about socialism.

[The Other Otter]

Eh, no idea what their original tags were. Figured I'd remove the Black Riders imposed tags and stick in the Socialist one that True Serbia keeps bugging me about.

That guy never shuts up about socialism.

This may be of some use for you.

[Businessland]

Thanks mate! Never new that existed. Pretty new to the whole r/d thing.

[Hanchu]

I don't consider stuffing and mounting the corpses of dead regions Commendable

[Kaboomlandia]

I highly admire your spirit and I'd love to see this get to vote, but the Security Council does not look kindly on commending your own region, as I have been informed by my Delegate. It would be difficult to get The Pacific or Europeia commended, let alone the Black Riders.

[Kaboomlandia]

I think I'm going to refer to it as a plural, as long as it does not matter which, because it sounds better. Does anyone have any comments on the examples of TBR raids?

Atheist Empire

[Toronina]

Yes, a group devoted to taking over helpless regions and vandalizing their regional description with some sort of crap about a cavalry charge. Truly worthy of shining medal.

They are, at best, irritating vandals that get more attention that they deserve. Waste of time.

Don't waste your time, NSA won't listen to what you say, S/he is a member of the Black Riders, and thus the reason for this.

[Kemintiri of Kemet]

Were it not for The Black Riders...

...The defenders wouldn't even have a job!

- Barely any liberations (because no TBR occupations)
- Next to nothing to defend (because no Riders [but other R/D organisations are out there])
- GREATLY reduced R/D gameplay (the TBR thread is pupdated every update with new raids)

Therefore: Regional recruitment and regional politics would dominate Gameplay... And where would most of the fun lie?

#riderhere #inb4raiderbias

[We Are Not the NSA]

You know, I was gonna let this thread die, but since people seem to love posting in it so much, I guess I'll make a new draft.

[Kemintiri of Kemet]

You know, I was gonna let this thread die, but since people seem to love posting in it so much, I guess I'll make a new draft.

I really hope this reaches quorum (but I don't know if my arguments in the post above yours can be put in your next draught without any of those illegalities waiting to trip us all up...)

[Land filled with People]

- Barely any liberations (because no TBR occupations)
- Next to nothing to defend (because no Riders [but other R/D organisations are out there])
- GREATLY reduced R/D gameplay (the TBR thread is pupdated every update with new raids)

This sounds like modern N/R/D. So congrats, I guess, on killing it.

[We Are Not the NSA]

Back due to popular demand, and the continuation of debate on this after I haven't posted in this thread for over a month: Commend The Black Riders!
If you have any comments on the draft, please make them. I've added a few more clauses, and I plan to change the wording in some places, but I'd like to know what you think needs to be changed.

[Getti]

I am all for it. People fail to understand that there is no norm in which condemnations fall under the category of raider and commendations fall under the category of defender.
To say The Black Riders aren't worthy of a commendation, without having extensive knowledge on the history of their organization, their affiliations and the work they have done, would undermine all of their accomplishments.

I think the stereotypical ideologies of the R/D community will prevent this from passing. However, I completely understand the rational behind this commendation, and believe fully that The Black Riders are quite worthy of a commendation.

If you are not an actual player in the R/D community, or are relatively new, you have no right in saying The Black Riders don't deserve this commendation, purely because they are raider. I would go as far as to argue several defender organizations are worthy of condemnations, and I am sure many will agree with me.

[Redsward]

I am all for it. People fail to understand that there is no norm in which condemnations fall under the category of raider and commendations fall under the category of defender.
To say The Black Riders aren't worthy of a commendation, without having extensive knowledge on the history of their organization, their affiliations and the work they have done, would undermine all of their accomplishments.

I think the stereotypical ideologies of the R/D community will prevent this from passing. However, I completely understand the rational behind this commendation, and believe fully that The Black Riders are quite worthy of a commendation.

If you are not an actual player in the R/D community, or are relatively new, you have no right in saying The Black Riders don't deserve this commendation, purely because they are raider. I would go as far as to argue several defender organizations are worthy of condemnations, and I am sure many will agree with me.

As a matter of fact, I do agree!

Raiders have received commendations and deserved them. For example, SkyDip and Todd used to raid and were commended, and Todd's commendation even states that he had lead multiple successful raids. (Personally, I was against Evil Wolf's because he's the perfect example of yin and yang, but he has done pretty good deeds with his puppets. And Mall only commended him because Zaolat wanted to see him condemned. )

On the other hand, I am only aware of one defender organization that was condemned. And they were condemned for forum destruction.

[Nephmir]

Were it not for The Black Riders...

...The defenders wouldn't even have a job!

- Barely any liberations (because no TBR occupations)
- Next to nothing to defend (because no Riders [but other R/D organisations are out there])
- GREATLY reduced R/D gameplay (the TBR thread is pupdated every update with new raids)

Therefore: Regional recruitment and regional politics would dominate Gameplay... And where would most of the fun lie?

#riderhere #inb4raiderbias

No one can compete. TBR has killed Gameplay with their hit and run tactics and casting a shadow over the smaller groups, and have the best tool in the game to help them do it efficiently.

I think it's time for a new tactic or change to come into play. You can't beat TBR at their own game.

That said, commending their efforts would be a mistake.

[Ravenflight]

Down with Raiders!

[Redsward]

Down with Raiders!

Not again. Don't protest against raiders like they're equivalent to Satan.

[Ravenflight]

Down with Raiders!

Not again. Don't protest against raiders like they're equivalent to Satan.

Well don't ruin people's nations and regions then.

[Crazy girl]

Discuss the draft, kids.

[Corvus Corax]

I am all for it. People fail to understand that there is no norm in which condemnations fall under the category of raider and commendations fall under the category of defender.
To say The Black Riders aren't worthy of a commendation, without having extensive knowledge on the history of their organization, their affiliations and the work they have done, would undermine all of their accomplishments.

I think the stereotypical ideologies of the R/D community will prevent this from passing. However, I completely understand the rational behind this commendation, and believe fully that The Black Riders are quite worthy of a commendation.

If you are not an actual player in the R/D community, or are relatively new, you have no right in saying The Black Riders don't deserve this commendation, purely because they are raider. I would go as far as to argue several defender organizations are worthy of condemnations, and I am sure many will agree with me.

As a matter of fact, I do agree!

Raiders have received commendations and deserved them. For example, SkyDip and Todd used to raid and were commended, and Todd's commendation even states that he had lead multiple successful raids. (Personally, I was against Evil Wolf's because he's the perfect example of yin and yang, but he has done pretty good deeds with his puppets. And Mall only commended him because Zaolat wanted to see him condemned. )

On the other hand, I am only aware of one defender organization that was condemned. And they were condemned for forum destruction.

Fully agreed with Getti, but there are also some truth in what Neph says.

It's True that The Black Riders is hard to beat in it's core profession, as it should be... But It's false that nobody could compete against TBR anymore. That it doesn't happen into a larger extend is not the fault of TBR. Currently defender success percentage is about 5-10% of regions they try defend.

Then, TBR is not responsible game mechanics related to R/D, particularly to an infuence of the Influence system, which doesn't encourage longer term invasions/occupations as they have been in a past. So called tag raiding is only current level of evolution of the raiding and there are no game-mechanical reasons why "tag raiding" couldn't develop further, expand in it's scale and approach closer to old school definitions of raids/invasions. That is question of active numbers of raiders and their update activity, and it's further development is depending only by raiders' activities and how effectively defenders can counter them, using what ever means available and legal for them.

Commending TBR now is justified because we actually and effectively out played defender-side of R/D out from one important part of the R/D gameplay, an achievement which is not anyway trivial, easy or automatically available for any R/D organisations no matter how good their war tech may be, least for those whom doesn't be active on the fields of R/D in practice without conscious aims to develop praxis and an organisation further.

Not Commending The Black Riders for what it is good as The organisation and collective co-operative project would show only bad taste, work as an act of excuse for lack of effort from defender side of R/D and an example of hypocritical moral bias, not based to anything else then an established conventions of World Assembly Security Council procedures and alleged morals behind it's decisions.

The Black Riders won the battle of an Era of NationStates R/D and did that almost 100-0. The Accomplishment Commendable if anything is anymore, and It was Victory of tens and tens black riders, not a single player.

- Secretary -
The Black Riders

[Redsward]

Discuss the draft, kids.

All hail moderation!

/threadjackover

[WINK NATION]

if this guy is talking about taking down the black riders, me and my region are in..