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DRAFT: Condemn shitty proposal writing

Postby A mean old man » Fri Jan 01, 2010 3:23 pm

I think it's too long.

There may also be a few other oddities I'll need to work out, but right now I'd just like to get this posted.

I suppose this is more of a rant than a resolution, but if it actually receives a large amount of support I may submit it. As for now, look, talk, and hopefully have a laugh.

Suggestions and criticism, as always, are welcome.

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Category: Condemnation | Nominee: shitty proposal writing | Proposed by: A mean old man


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The World Assembly,

BELIEVING that its own ultimate goal is to achieve balance and perfection in the world of NationStates (at a national, legislative scale), or at least among its own member nations,

PRAISING the serious and diligent efforts of the GA and SC writers who have put the necessary time and thought into the creation of their proposals and have provided us with some incredible examples of legislative writing,

NOTING, however, that many WA members believe themselves to be above the strenuous (though rewarding) processes of proposal writing, or do not understand these processes and therefore ignore them,

THEREFORE NOTING that these certain members will often write up shitty proposals that are not fit to become WA resolutions and will do little but be a bother for the majority of us WA members,

BELIEVING that the worst and most obnoxious example of bad proposal writing is that which has been submitted and is present in the official queue, however was not drafted beforehand and was viewed and thought over by very few WA members (most often only one),

THEREFORE BELIEVING the following process, drafting, to be one of the most important parts of proposal writing, as it helps to create a proposal that has been observed and hopefully added to by active and experienced members of the World Assembly and by players with different ideologies regarding gameplay and national legislation (in order to create a fair compromise between the many different ideological groups the WA consists of in our resolutions):

DEFINING "drafting" as the process by which a nation creates a (mostly) complete draft of the legislation they would like to see passed by the WA and opens their ideas up to criticism and suggestions by other nations within the official WA forums by posting their draft in its own thread in the appropriate WA forum,

UNDERSTANDING that, while drafting is a beneficial thing when it comes to WA proposals, even drafting can be tainted by bad proposals and bad proposal writers, whose writing, despite the efforts of the forum users, cannot be made into something appropriate and usable by the WA,

OBSERVING the myriad of abuses of the drafting process in the forums, which include but are not limited to:

• half-baked pieces of writing that the writers were too lazy to finish on their own and expect others to complete for them,

• the countless drafts that are simply paragraph-sized pieces of legislation or simply a belief stated without any operative clauses and are horribly lacking in important areas,

• the draft writers who, when their drafts revolve around absolutely ludicrous themes and, despite the efforts of multiple other sensible WA members to make the writers understand how unfit their ideas are for WA legislation, will continue to fight using logic that has already been proven wrong and will usually beat the dead horse so much that their thread requires a moderator lock,

OBSERVING the results of poorly written and poorly thought-out proposals becoming resolutions and understanding the chaotic results - the worst case being, should the poorly made resolution pass, a repeal and a series of poorly written condemnations of the writer of the poorly written resolution - ultimately amounting to a massive waste of the WA's time,

HEREBY CONDEMNS shitty proposal writing and frowns upon the writers who provide us with it for the infinite nuisance that shitty proposal writing has been and will always be for us as WA members, forum users, and players of NationStates.
A: SC#16 - Repeal "Liberate The Security Council"
A: SC#26 - Commend The Joint Systems Alliance
A: SC#30 - Commend 10000 Islands
A: SC#37 - Condemn NAZI EUROPE
A: SC#38 - Repeal "Condemn NAZI EUROPE"
A: GA#149 - On Expiration Dates
C: SC#58 - Repeal "Commend Sedgistan"
A: SC#62 - Repeal "Condemn Swarmlandia"
C: SC#63 - Commend Ballotonia
A: SC#65 - Condemn Punk Reloaded
C: GA#163 - Repeal "Law of the Sea"
A: SC#72 - Repeal "Commend Mikeswill"
C: SC#74 - Condemn Lone Wolves United
C: SC#76 - Repeal "Condemn Thatcherton"
A: SC#81 - Repeal "Condemn Anthony Delasanta"
C: SC#83 - Condemn Automagfreek
C: SC#84 - Repeal "Liberate Islam"
C: SC#111 - Commend Krulltopia ← please forget

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Postby Unibot » Fri Jan 01, 2010 3:33 pm

Condemn SHITTY PRoposal WRITING

we teh Wolrd ASSSEMBLY would likz to CONDOM itself to SEE WHAT HAPENS WHEN SHITY PROPOSAL WRITING CONDOMS ITSELF! we herebee delcare that all PROPOSALS be wirtten on gREEn paper and all ambassders be..
(A) litterate

(B) COndomed

(C) READy to CONDOM ofther really BAAADDD boys.

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Postby Sedgistan » Fri Jan 01, 2010 3:37 pm

Unibot wrote:
Condemn SHITTY PRoposal WRITING

we teh Wolrd ASSSEMBLY would likz to CONDOM itself to SEE WHAT HAPENS WHEN SHITY PROPOSAL WRITING CONDOMS ITSELF! we herebee delcare that all PROPOSALS be wirtten on gREEn paper and all ambassders be..
(A) litterate

(B) COndomed

(C) READy to CONDOM ofther really BAAADDD boys.


I was actually going to submit something just like that...

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Postby A mean old man » Fri Jan 01, 2010 3:51 pm

I sort of felt like writing it up as a piece of shit, as that would've been appropriate and humorous, but then I thought I might actually submit it.
A: SC#16 - Repeal "Liberate The Security Council"
A: SC#26 - Commend The Joint Systems Alliance
A: SC#30 - Commend 10000 Islands
A: SC#37 - Condemn NAZI EUROPE
A: SC#38 - Repeal "Condemn NAZI EUROPE"
A: GA#149 - On Expiration Dates
C: SC#58 - Repeal "Commend Sedgistan"
A: SC#62 - Repeal "Condemn Swarmlandia"
C: SC#63 - Commend Ballotonia
A: SC#65 - Condemn Punk Reloaded
C: GA#163 - Repeal "Law of the Sea"
A: SC#72 - Repeal "Commend Mikeswill"
C: SC#74 - Condemn Lone Wolves United
C: SC#76 - Repeal "Condemn Thatcherton"
A: SC#81 - Repeal "Condemn Anthony Delasanta"
C: SC#83 - Condemn Automagfreek
C: SC#84 - Repeal "Liberate Islam"
C: SC#111 - Commend Krulltopia ← please forget

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Postby Sedgistan » Fri Jan 01, 2010 4:38 pm

A mean old man wrote:I sort of felt like writing it up as a piece of shit, as that would've been appropriate and humorous, but then I thought I might actually submit it.


Well this one was submitted & passed, so I don't see why a deliberately badly written condemnation couldn't pass.

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Postby A mean old man » Fri Jan 01, 2010 4:42 pm

Sedgistan wrote:
A mean old man wrote:I sort of felt like writing it up as a piece of shit, as that would've been appropriate and humorous, but then I thought I might actually submit it.


Well this one was submitted & passed, so I don't see why a deliberately badly written condemnation couldn't pass.


Well, as hilarious and shitty the writing was, there were some very good points in the resolution, which was why it could pass.
A: SC#16 - Repeal "Liberate The Security Council"
A: SC#26 - Commend The Joint Systems Alliance
A: SC#30 - Commend 10000 Islands
A: SC#37 - Condemn NAZI EUROPE
A: SC#38 - Repeal "Condemn NAZI EUROPE"
A: GA#149 - On Expiration Dates
C: SC#58 - Repeal "Commend Sedgistan"
A: SC#62 - Repeal "Condemn Swarmlandia"
C: SC#63 - Commend Ballotonia
A: SC#65 - Condemn Punk Reloaded
C: GA#163 - Repeal "Law of the Sea"
A: SC#72 - Repeal "Commend Mikeswill"
C: SC#74 - Condemn Lone Wolves United
C: SC#76 - Repeal "Condemn Thatcherton"
A: SC#81 - Repeal "Condemn Anthony Delasanta"
C: SC#83 - Condemn Automagfreek
C: SC#84 - Repeal "Liberate Islam"
C: SC#111 - Commend Krulltopia ← please forget

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Postby Sedgistan » Fri Jan 01, 2010 4:48 pm

A mean old man wrote:
Sedgistan wrote:
A mean old man wrote:I sort of felt like writing it up as a piece of shit, as that would've been appropriate and humorous, but then I thought I might actually submit it.


Well this one was submitted & passed, so I don't see why a deliberately badly written condemnation couldn't pass.


Well, as hilarious and shitty the writing was, there were some very good points in the resolution, which was why it could pass.


The point was that the nation that wrote that was a 'caveman'-esque nation, repealing a resolution about rights for minorities & women. People (I think) got the humour behind it, as well as appreciating the points it made.

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Postby A mean old man » Fri Jan 01, 2010 5:06 pm

kkkkkkk fiiine maybs i r rite up a rly bad vershn of dis an see if it r gud

But as of now it's prettyful and gramaticallizated. Sorry if you'd like to see it written differently.

Anything to say on my draft itself?
A: SC#16 - Repeal "Liberate The Security Council"
A: SC#26 - Commend The Joint Systems Alliance
A: SC#30 - Commend 10000 Islands
A: SC#37 - Condemn NAZI EUROPE
A: SC#38 - Repeal "Condemn NAZI EUROPE"
A: GA#149 - On Expiration Dates
C: SC#58 - Repeal "Commend Sedgistan"
A: SC#62 - Repeal "Condemn Swarmlandia"
C: SC#63 - Commend Ballotonia
A: SC#65 - Condemn Punk Reloaded
C: GA#163 - Repeal "Law of the Sea"
A: SC#72 - Repeal "Commend Mikeswill"
C: SC#74 - Condemn Lone Wolves United
C: SC#76 - Repeal "Condemn Thatcherton"
A: SC#81 - Repeal "Condemn Anthony Delasanta"
C: SC#83 - Condemn Automagfreek
C: SC#84 - Repeal "Liberate Islam"
C: SC#111 - Commend Krulltopia ← please forget

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Postby Martyrdoom » Fri Jan 01, 2010 5:09 pm

A mean old man wrote:kkkkkkk fiiine maybs i r rite up a rly bad vershn of dis an see if it r gud

But as of now it's prettyful and gramaticallizated. Sorry if you'd like to see it written differently.

Anything to say on my draft itself?


Why not commend good proposal writing?!
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Postby Unibotian WASC Mission » Fri Jan 01, 2010 5:18 pm

Martyrdoom wrote:
A mean old man wrote:kkkkkkk fiiine maybs i r rite up a rly bad vershn of dis an see if it r gud

But as of now it's prettyful and gramaticallizated. Sorry if you'd like to see it written differently.

Anything to say on my draft itself?


Why not commend good proposal writing?!


I'd prefer "Condemn Martyrdoom" first. :twisted:

Joking...

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Postby A mean old man » Fri Jan 01, 2010 5:30 pm

Martyrdoom wrote:Why not commend good proposal writing?!


I'm a cynic and a pessimist. That's not my area.

Kidding. I'm not that bad. However, it's easier for people to improve when you show them their faults.
A: SC#16 - Repeal "Liberate The Security Council"
A: SC#26 - Commend The Joint Systems Alliance
A: SC#30 - Commend 10000 Islands
A: SC#37 - Condemn NAZI EUROPE
A: SC#38 - Repeal "Condemn NAZI EUROPE"
A: GA#149 - On Expiration Dates
C: SC#58 - Repeal "Commend Sedgistan"
A: SC#62 - Repeal "Condemn Swarmlandia"
C: SC#63 - Commend Ballotonia
A: SC#65 - Condemn Punk Reloaded
C: GA#163 - Repeal "Law of the Sea"
A: SC#72 - Repeal "Commend Mikeswill"
C: SC#74 - Condemn Lone Wolves United
C: SC#76 - Repeal "Condemn Thatcherton"
A: SC#81 - Repeal "Condemn Anthony Delasanta"
C: SC#83 - Condemn Automagfreek
C: SC#84 - Repeal "Liberate Islam"
C: SC#111 - Commend Krulltopia ← please forget

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Postby Mad Sheep Railgun » Fri Jan 01, 2010 5:31 pm

A mean old man wrote:I think it's too long.


That's what she said. *rimshot*

Um, back on topic. It's 3531 characters in OpenOffice.
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Postby Martyrdoom » Fri Jan 01, 2010 5:31 pm

Unibotian WASC Mission wrote:
Martyrdoom wrote:
A mean old man wrote:kkkkkkk fiiine maybs i r rite up a rly bad vershn of dis an see if it r gud

But as of now it's prettyful and gramaticallizated. Sorry if you'd like to see it written differently.

Anything to say on my draft itself?


Why not commend good proposal writing?!


I'd prefer "Condemn Martyrdoom" first. :twisted:

Joking...


:lol: That would be well-nigh impossible Uni: I'm way too popular around here! :)
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Postby Martyrdoom » Fri Jan 01, 2010 5:33 pm

A mean old man wrote:
Martyrdoom wrote:Why not commend good proposal writing?!


I'm a cynic and a pessimist. That's not my area.

Kidding. I'm not that bad. However, it's easier for people to improve when you show them their faults.


True.
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Postby Topid » Fri Jan 01, 2010 5:39 pm

Martyrdoom wrote:
Unibotian WASC Mission wrote:
Martyrdoom wrote:
A mean old man wrote:kkkkkkk fiiine maybs i r rite up a rly bad vershn of dis an see if it r gud

But as of now it's prettyful and gramaticallizated. Sorry if you'd like to see it written differently.

Anything to say on my draft itself?


Why not commend good proposal writing?!


I'd prefer "Condemn Martyrdoom" first. :twisted:

Joking...


:lol: That would be well-nigh impossible Uni: I'm way too popular around here! :)

Besides Uni, shouldn't we finish Commend Defender Bias first? :p
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Postby Enn » Fri Jan 01, 2010 8:05 pm

Sedgistan wrote:
A mean old man wrote:I sort of felt like writing it up as a piece of shit, as that would've been appropriate and humorous, but then I thought I might actually submit it.


Well this one was submitted & passed, so I don't see why a deliberately badly written condemnation couldn't pass.

To be fair, did you read the original resolution that repealed? Many a problem in writing, and, well, logic.
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Postby Grays Harbor » Fri Jan 01, 2010 8:11 pm

We support this proposal. completely.
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Postby Sionis Prioratus » Fri Jan 01, 2010 8:12 pm

I wholeheartedly support this. On to the floor!

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Postby Sedgistan » Fri Jan 01, 2010 8:12 pm

Enn wrote:
Sedgistan wrote:
A mean old man wrote:I sort of felt like writing it up as a piece of shit, as that would've been appropriate and humorous, but then I thought I might actually submit it.


Well this one was submitted & passed, so I don't see why a deliberately badly written condemnation couldn't pass.

To be fair, did you read the original resolution that repealed? Many a problem in writing, and, well, logic.


To clarify again, I wasn't saying that proposal was badly written, I was just saying that using a different (and humourous) style of writing was still possible when trying to get a resolution passed.

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Postby A mean old man » Fri Jan 01, 2010 10:55 pm

I'm not seeing much about the actual material of my proposal. I take it that means it's good?
A: SC#16 - Repeal "Liberate The Security Council"
A: SC#26 - Commend The Joint Systems Alliance
A: SC#30 - Commend 10000 Islands
A: SC#37 - Condemn NAZI EUROPE
A: SC#38 - Repeal "Condemn NAZI EUROPE"
A: GA#149 - On Expiration Dates
C: SC#58 - Repeal "Commend Sedgistan"
A: SC#62 - Repeal "Condemn Swarmlandia"
C: SC#63 - Commend Ballotonia
A: SC#65 - Condemn Punk Reloaded
C: GA#163 - Repeal "Law of the Sea"
A: SC#72 - Repeal "Commend Mikeswill"
C: SC#74 - Condemn Lone Wolves United
C: SC#76 - Repeal "Condemn Thatcherton"
A: SC#81 - Repeal "Condemn Anthony Delasanta"
C: SC#83 - Condemn Automagfreek
C: SC#84 - Repeal "Liberate Islam"
C: SC#111 - Commend Krulltopia ← please forget

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Postby Mad Sheep Railgun » Fri Jan 01, 2010 11:01 pm

A mean old man wrote:I'm not seeing much about the actual material of my proposal. I take it that means it's good?


I'll look it over more carefully tomorrow. Got many things going tonight and not enough time to do all of them.
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Postby Arkinesia » Fri Jan 01, 2010 11:04 pm

A mean old man wrote:I'm not seeing much about the actual material of my proposal. I take it that means it's good?

You would be correct in saying that, ambassador.
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Postby Todd McCloud » Sat Jan 02, 2010 1:28 am

I'd support this, but some may categorize this with some of the proposals I've written, lol.
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Postby Metania » Sat Jan 02, 2010 1:28 am

But one region is all wek need.

...

I mean, yeah, this is the type of proposal I've been in favor of, after wanting to slap the people who got weird, poorly written bills into the SC. Like that group of bills that got voted down in rapid succession. Ugh.
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Postby Topid » Sat Jan 02, 2010 2:33 am

Bleh. I don't mind a silly resolution now and then. SC#9 was silly IMO. But Idk if we should do it very often... Idk, may support this may not. It really doesn't matter since I'm not a delegate as of now, I'm on my first defender job in a while. :)
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