[PASSED] Repeal "Liberate Panem"

[Louisistan]

"Questions"? Hardly:

More of a request, one that I cannot personally fulfill.

I had not realized she had edited her post, but I know you saw her original post....

*ahem* AD's a "he", though that has become a common misconception in XKI

[Wrapper]

To set a few things straight:

Why didn't I drop the password:

1. I promised other natives to not do that and I'd like to keep my promises.
2. I never thought the liberation would come through.
3. I didn't have enough influence to set up a new password at that time as I wasted almost all my influence at the first one.

But then the liberation happened and now the situation has changed:

1. I've taken delegacy on the passing of the liberation and kept it till I had enough influence again to set a new password after the liberation was repealed.
2. I've been in contact with most (6) of the oldest natives and the returning ones, none of them is opposed to a refound.
3. The matter on who should refound isn't clear at this point. This is an internal matter and will have to be discussed after the liberation has been repealed.

Am I Ravania:

1. This is a non-issue. This nation is native to Panem and has always acted in the best interest of Panem.
2. Ravania supports the actions of the remaining natives that chose to lock the region to keep it safe a few months ago.

Do we need the repeal:

1. Yes, because our situation has been made unsafe by the liberation
2. Yes, because in order to safely refound we must be able to lock the region for a while.

Thank you for the clarification. Should this make it to quorum, Wrapper will vote aye.

[Luna Amore]

To set a few things straight:

Why didn't I drop the password:

1. I promised other natives to not do that and I'd like to keep my promises.
2. I never thought the liberation would come through.
3. I didn't have enough influence to set up a new password at that time as I wasted almost all my influence at the first one.

But then the liberation happened and now the situation has changed:

1. I've taken delegacy on the passing of the liberation and kept it till I had enough influence again to set a new password after the liberation was repealed.
2. I've been in contact with most (6) of the oldest natives and the returning ones, none of them is opposed to a refound.
3. The matter on who should refound isn't clear at this point. This is an internal matter and will have to be discussed after the liberation has been repealed.

Am I Ravania:

1. This is a non-issue. This nation is native to Panem and has always acted in the best interest of Panem.
2. Ravania supports the actions of the remaining natives that chose to lock the region to keep it safe a few months ago.

Were there plans for a refound before the liberation resolution? If not, why? Why are you cooperating with the person who passed the liberation that has caused all this trouble?

Do we need the repeal:

1. Yes, because our situation has been made unsafe by the liberation
2. Yes, because in order to safely refound we must be able to lock the region for a while.

The liberation has made the region unsafe and now we must repeal it so you can lock it again. That is, return it to the state it was to begin with and which the liberation argued was holding the region back. There have been no significant changes to the region, but we should totally return it to the locked state it was before.

You wouldn't give District the password before because it was against the native's wishes, but now you are OK with him being delegate why? The resolution that caused all of these problems was written by District and is now the repeal is being proposed by District. It's been established that he's been obsessed with Panem since he started District XIV. It's also been fairly well established that he isn't terribly good at region building, so why you would trust him with the region, I don't know.

Basically, either the liberation, the repeal or both are bullshit. The SC shouldn't have had its time wasted with District's obsession with Panem to begin with. And that's all we appear to be doing.

[Signs]

Were there plans for a refound before the liberation resolution? If not, why?

No concrete plans, all residents were rather dormant and were in no hurry I guess.

Why are you cooperating with the person who passed the liberation that has caused all this trouble?

Cause the SC opened the region and who are we to argue with the SC... and he's quite cooperative as it turns out.

The liberation has made the region unsafe and now we must repeal it so you can lock it again. That is, return it to the state it was to begin with and which the liberation argued was holding the region back. There have been no significant changes to the region, but we should totally return it to the locked state it was before.

This is not correct, now there is a will to refound, but in order to refound a lock is needed.

You wouldn't give District the password before because it was against the native's wishes, but now you are OK with him being delegate why?

This had nothing to do with who District XIV is. I promised to share the password with no-one.

Basically, either the liberation, the repeal or both are bullshit. The SC shouldn't have had its time wasted with District's obsession with Panem to begin with. And that's all we appear to be doing.

I only hope the SC finishes what it started and repeals the liberation, so we can move on as a sovereign region.

[Chester Pearson]

I still remain opposed. You guys have brought this bullshit upon yourselves, and now you can figure out how to deal with it yourselves as a "soveriegn" region....

[Lexicor]

I still remain opposed. You guys have brought this bullshit upon yourselves, and now you can figure out how to deal with it yourselves as a "soveriegn" region....

>incoming Snipe
>gets sniped by TBR/TBH
>

>next

*EDIT* Have gone from support to abstain should this reach the voting stage.

[Wrapper]

You wouldn't give District the password before because it was against the native's wishes, but now you are OK with him being delegate why?

This had nothing to do with who District XIV is. I promised to share the password with no-one.

So... you'd rather mobilize the entire Security Council (and, apparently, a defender or two) and allow DXIV to create a huge shitstorm over this, rather than go back on your word? Is that what you are saying?

Because if so, I find that...

just...

fucking...

AWESOME.

Seriously. Who knew that such integrity existed in NS? Bravo!

And, yeah, like I said, I'll vote for your repeal.

[Luna Amore]

This had nothing to do with who District XIV is. I promised to share the password with no-one.

So... you'd rather mobilize the entire Security Council (and, apparently, a defender or two) and allow DXIV to create a huge shitstorm over this, rather than go back on your word? Is that what you are saying?

Because if so, I find that...

just...

fucking...

AWESOME.

Seriously. Who knew that such integrity existed in NS? Bravo! :clap:

And, yeah, like I said, I'll vote for your repeal.

Yes, how wonderful it is that the SC is getting tied up because dormant and inactive natives couldn't be arsed to refound a safely locked down region. No, we had to liberate it, let in a few nations, and repeal the liberation so the very same nations can lock the region and attempt a refound. And given all the attention this has drawn, it's a fair bet that they're going to have competition refounding the region.

[Chester Pearson]

I can't help but noticing, when the liberation was submitted, it had a quorum almost immediately. The repeal hasn't even made it half-way to quorum in three days! Maybe this should say something?

[District XIV]

I can't help but noticing, when the liberation was submitted, it had a quorum almost immediately. The repeal hasn't even made it half-way to quorum in three days! Maybe this should say something?

I campaigned for the liberation, not at all for the repeal.

[Chester Pearson]

I can't help but noticing, when the liberation was submitted, it had a quorum almost immediately. The repeal hasn't even made it half-way to quorum in three days! Maybe this should say something?

I campaigned for the liberation, not at all for the repeal.

Were you just dipping you toe in the water with this?

[District XIV]

I campaigned for the liberation, not at all for the repeal.

Were you just dipping you toe in the water with this?

Things happened while this was in quorum and I didn't get around to campaigning

It was essentially a test run.

[Nordenwald]

Were you just dipping you toe in the water with this?

Things happened while this was in quorum and I didn't get around to campaigning

It was essentially a test run.

I supported. Again.

Gettin real tired of your shit, real tired.

[District XIV]

Gettin real tired of your shit, real tired.

What...?

If you're not going to define what "my shit" is then I couldn't care less what you mean by that statement.

Thanks for approving, anyway.

[Japanese Gatia]

I support this. Liberate them

[District XIV]

I support this. Liberate them

Say what.

This is repealing a liberation.

[Ninja Kittens]

I support this. Liberate them

They're already liberated, this is for a repeal of their liberation.

[VF Ambassador to Minecraftia]

Support for this

Also its been a long time since we actually had a WA proposal that got through

[Ninja Kittens]

Support for this

Also its been a long time since we actually had a WA proposal that got through

It's been a long time since we've had one worth going through, this one included.

[Asquithania]

Opposed

The repeal of a device whose purpose was to remove a delegate imposed password so soon after the event, and whose subtext would indicate intentions to re-impose a password via the newly elected regime run counter to logic

The assertion that "a restoration effort may fail to succeed if the natives are unable to protect their region from outside, unwanted forces" is disingenuous - having a SC Liberation in place on a region does not preclude a successful refound , it merely re-enforces the need for everybody with interests in the region to reach a consensual agreement on such an action

On another level we oppose the creation of what, in this context, amounts to the creation of another Absolute Monarchy in the shape of a Founder who would have unlimited power in the event of such an action succeeding

[Nordenwald]

Gettin real tired of your shit, real tired.

What...?

If you're not going to define what "my shit" is then I couldn't care less what you mean by that statement.

Thanks for approving, anyway.

Panem has just been a solid topic of debate recently, and I would really like to see it stop floating back up to one of the SC's priorities. "Your shit" is a constant revival of the topic.

That sentence probably had terrible grammar.

[District XIV]

The repeal of a device whose purpose was to remove a delegate imposed password so soon after the event, and whose subtext would indicate intentions to re-impose a password via the newly elected regime run counter to logic

No, it doesn't.

The assertion that "a restoration effort may fail to succeed if the natives are unable to protect their region from outside, unwanted forces" is disingenuous - having a SC Liberation in place on a region does not preclude a successful refound , it merely re-enforces the need for everybody with interests in the region to reach a consensual agreement on such an action

And how do you expect me to 'reach a consensual agreement' with inactive players?

On another level we oppose the creation of what, in this context, amounts to the creation of another Absolute Monarchy in the shape of a Founder who would have unlimited power in the event of such an action succeeding

Except... this won't be an 'absolute monarchy'. If you had been here, say, a few days ago and read the constitution I posted here AND in Panem's WFE you might know that

[Applebania]

On another level we oppose the creation of what, in this context, amounts to the creation of another Absolute Monarchy in the shape of a Founder who would have unlimited power in the event of such an action succeeding

Except... this won't be an 'absolute monarchy'. If you had been here, say, a few days ago and read the constitution I posted here AND in Panem's WFE you might know that

He doesn't like regions with founders.

[District XIV]

Except... this won't be an 'absolute monarchy'. If you had been here, say, a few days ago and read the constitution I posted here AND in Panem's WFE you might know that

He doesn't like regions with founders.

Unsurprising coming from a founderless region.

[Chester Pearson]

Hopefully when this waste of time passes, the rash that is Panen will stop infecting the council. If and when this blows up in your face, do not come crying to the council to liberate it yet again....