[D] Condemn / Repeal Condemn Mallorea and Riva

[Elke and Elba]

Step 2: Remove Mall of what most raiders want. Eh I have no idea now, condemn or repeal condemnation
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The Security Council,

UNDERSTANDING that Mallorea and Riva is an abhorrent state that conducted raids on the South Pacific, which this state had tried to blame on Haven in its pretense to 'free' Haven from its password, yet,

NOTING that Mallorea and Riva is only a state that conducts its raiding activities, due to its sidelining by the international community and inability to provide further value to this international community,

FURTHER UNDERSTANDING that Mallorea and Riva's childish acts were all intended to ensure outrage in the international community and gain credence and leverage through fear,

DISGUSTED that Mallorea and Riva has tricked the international community in condemning the aforementioned state due to its opportunistic belief that such a condemnation would allow the state to gain further credence and leverage, and that the condemnation itself was wholly wanted by the government of Mallorea and Riva, rendering any amount of condemnation of Mallorea and Riva useless,

EXPOSING that by condemning Mallorea and Riva, the international community only legitimizes its actions and affirms that the rogue state is to be feared despite not being so, which fully defeats the purpose and intent of the condemnation,

CONVINCED that the international community should not fear Mallorea and Riva for its despicable acts, and instead should despise, rather than condemn the state of Mallorea and Riva and its government for conducting these actions,

FURTHER CONVINCED that through such an act, the international community will signal its intent and willingness to stand up to the absolute abusive tyranny of Mallorea and Riva, and call its bluff,

HEREBY REPEALS SC#121, "Condemn Mallorea and Riva'.

[Nierr]

Against this.

For reasons.

[Ramaeus]

No. Mall deserves his Condemnation.

[Applebania]

Nah, despite the BS with Haven, I still like Mall.

Besides, if you repealed Condemn Mallorea and Riva, you'd need to repeal pretty much every condemnation other than Condemn Macedon and Condemn Allied States of EuroIslanders (Though there may be more unwanted condemnations out there)

[United States of Cascadia]

Those sound like reasons to be given a condemnation, not to have one repealed. To be honest though, I suspect Mall will care little if he were to lose the condemnation anyways.

[Cormac A Stark]

As opposed as I am to Liberate Haven, I'm also against this. The "badge of honor" argument, when taken too far, would essentially mean never passing a condemnation resolution. Most of the bad guys in NationStates are playing to be the bad guy, and take pride in a condemnation resolution.

Today, Mall's condemnation, but tomorrow Lone Wolves United's when they raid something someone doesn't like, and eventually there won't be any condemnations on the books except possibly RP condemnations. There have to be limits to the "badge of honor" argument.

[Mallorea and Riva]

Yikes. If you're going to yank my badge at least make the draft one that sounds good and flows well.

EDIT: I admit that the notion of being TOO EVIL TO CONDEMN does sound kinda neat.

[Elke and Elba]

Yikes. If you're going to yank my badge at least make the draft one that sounds good and flows well.

EDIT: I admit that the notion of being TOO EVIL TO CONDEMN does sound kinda neat.

That is the point.

It seems giving you ANOTHER condemnation shiny medal will probably have more ability to live in the SC forums than this after all.

[Tim-Opolis]

As much as the Liberate Haven proposal frustrated me, I'm opposed. Mall is one of the R/D'ers of this era that actually deserves his Condemnation. Yeah, basically all C&C's are backpats, but this is a deserving one. Ya'll are really taking this much farther than necessary. Let Liberate Haven fail, and then head back to the status quo of the loose DMZ we have between RP and GP. Both are cool and okay, and Admin has repeatedly stated that R/D is not being removed. Passwords and/or Founders are excellent opt-outs from invasion, and I highly recommend you use them.

The proposing of Liberate Haven isn't going to usher in an era of Liberation Proposals against every RP Region know to man. Hell, it takes about 5 minutes of reading about Game Mechanics to realize 99% of RP regions are safe anyway. The remaining 1% are honestly outside of the target range for any Raiders except those who specifically aim to piss of RPers. Those, however, are far too few to pull off an RP Region's SC Liberation without anything short of a Miracle.

Apologies for the slight derailment. Essentially, Mall's Condemn should stay and we should all calm down a bit, read how game mechanics work if necessary, and realize most of us GPers thing RP is cool and okay.

[Vicious Debaters]

Way on the fence about this- probably against. On one hand we could strip Mallorea of all his fancy titles, but making someone out to be so bad that you un-condemn them doesn't make sense.

If this ever gets far, the meta totally could change with condemnations and commendations.

We could always start randomly commending raiders. Why the fuck not.

[Tim-Opolis]

We could always start randomly commending raiders. Why the fuck not.

Assuming such a proposal actually was drafted, proposed, made it to vote, and somehow passed with a majority if votes... I imagine that, for most Raiders, a badge is a badge. Hell, I'm a Defender but I wouldn't say no to a Condemnation badge

[Mekhet]

Against, this is starting to get into the "petty" zone Elke and Elba

[Rephesus]

Personally I think Repeal Condemn would make more sense than Condemn in this case.

[Benevolent Thomas]

I'd also be against this one. Mallorea is one of the most condemn-worthy individuals that are still kicking. Mall may like the badge, but I like to think of the countless number of newbies that see that badge and know to not be like him.

[Rephesus]

Or, aspire to be like him.

[Ikania]

Like Liberate Haven, passing this would set a precedent that condemnations are just badges of honor and being bad makes you undeserving, and so we should repeal most condemnations. So against. I appreciate the effort though.

[Rephesus]

Like Liberate Haven, passing this would set a precedent that condemnations are just badges of honor and being bad makes you undeserving, and so we should repeal most condemnations. So against. I appreciate the effort though.

That precedent has always been in place. Many people, especially Raiders, like to be condemned and see it as a prize.

[Elke and Elba]

Like Liberate Haven, passing this would set a precedent that condemnations are just badges of honor and being bad makes you undeserving, and so we should repeal most condemnations. So against. I appreciate the effort though.

I'm feeling conflicted.

While a repeal removes the badge, the more IC RP way to go about it is to condemn.

Mhmm.

[Mallorea and Riva]

Like Liberate Haven, passing this would set a precedent that condemnations are just badges of honor and being bad makes you undeserving, and so we should repeal most condemnations. So against. I appreciate the effort though.

I'm feeling conflicted.

While a repeal removes the badge, the more IC RP way to go about it is to condemn.

Mhmm.

For whatever it's worth "Mall" is a gameplay character, born the night that I switched to raiding from the UDL to The Black Hawks In the same way that Zakath is my GA character.

[Hobbesistan]

Against, this is starting to get into the "petty" zone Elke and Elba

This.


Mall deserves the shiny.

[Vetok]

Let him keep it as a sop to his pride.

[Vistulange]

Against, though it's a good thing that this idea has been brought up to debate, symbolically.

[Mallorea and Riva]

I'm not sure if I'm being threatened with a condemnation, commendation, or a repeal of my condemnation

[Rephesus]

I'm not sure if I'm being threatened with a condemnation, commendation, or a repeal of my condemnation

You can probably take Commendation off that list.

[Mallorea and Riva]

I'm not sure if I'm being threatened with a condemnation, commendation, or a repeal of my condemnation

You can probably take Commendation off that list.

Really it would be a commendation that would trouble me most, but you're probably right.