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by Artigat » Sun Jul 06, 2014 12:26 am
by Mallorea and Riva » Sun Jul 06, 2014 12:27 am
Artigat wrote:I admit that I gave up reading this on page 48, so assuming nothing new has occurred since then:
by Swith Witherward » Sun Jul 06, 2014 12:28 am
Mallorea and Riva wrote:Here's a draft that I've been kicking around in my head for awhile. I'm open to all suggestions for improvement, but obviously I will not be abandoning the effort and I do not consider recommendations to scrap this idea entirely as a suggestion for improvement.(Image)Liberate Haven
The Security Council,
Aware that the region Haven has hidden behind a password for a decade,
Disappointed that many regions have taken to cowering behind passwords for protection for long durations rather than acting to strengthen themselves,
Confident that a number of raiding organizations could utilize the region for far more interesting things than the current residents are choosing to,
Dismissing the argument that peaceful regions such as Haven should not be attacked by noting that such "peaceful regions" were heavily involved in the 2013 coup of The South Pacific.
Believing that the activity created by such invasions will outweigh any potential moral evils associated with stripping the region of its protection,
Hoping that this Liberation will spur activity in similarly protected regions lest they meet the same fate,
Hereby Liberates Haven
I'm not familiar with exactly when Haven passworded itself, so if that four year figure needs adjusting one way or the other that information would be appreciated.
Evidence of claims: viewtopic.php?f=24&t=303025&p=20782239#p20782239 Haven native admits Haven involvement
The Haven regional history displays an embassy which lasted only as long as the coup did. Those embassies were used to connect regions which had provided support for Milograd's coup of TSP.
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by Tergnitz » Sun Jul 06, 2014 12:31 am
by Mallorea and Riva » Sun Jul 06, 2014 12:32 am
Swith Witherward wrote:This really doesn't make much sense and sounds a bit like sour grapes to me. It's also a benchmark case which opens the door for other passworded regions to be open to raiding despite the password safeguard.
by Vicious Debaters » Sun Jul 06, 2014 12:35 am
by Swith Witherward » Sun Jul 06, 2014 12:39 am
Mallorea and Riva wrote:Actually this isn't the first time this has been tried... in fact it has succeeded before, but only ever on the region Nazi Europe. At this point judging by the level of opposition I would say that this proves pretty definitively that passwords for RP regions are the perfect defense since the NS population as a whole will vote overwhelmingly against a Liberation of their region.
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by Nierr » Sun Jul 06, 2014 12:40 am
Swith Witherward wrote:Mallorea and Riva wrote:Actually this isn't the first time this has been tried... in fact it has succeeded before, but only ever on the region Nazi Europe. At this point judging by the level of opposition I would say that this proves pretty definitively that passwords for RP regions are the perfect defense since the NS population as a whole will vote overwhelmingly against a Liberation of their region.
Yeah, I remember the Nazi Europe thing. Total nightmare.
It think you'd have done better to remove that one clause which makes it a benchmark. It would turn this proposal into a region-specific thing rather than seemingly all-encompassing. More people might have been inclined to agree.
I also fear the wing-nut vote. Noobs see "liberate" and assume the region is under siege, thus they vote to liberate it. They don't read into the history behind the mess.
Meh. My two cents.
by Mallorea and Riva » Sun Jul 06, 2014 12:43 am
Vicious Debaters wrote:I wholeheartedly support Mallorea raising this issue and trying to pull what they're doing here. I think this will come to be a good example of the power of the non-R/D side of gameplay and their ability to assert themselves. In fact, I couldn't think of a better way to prove that the roleplayers, debaters, mentors, and all others who work outside the R/D spectrum can unite to oppose a common foe.
United opposition? Working towards a common goal? You're giving us ideas, Mallorea.
No way this'll pass. We'll see what happens- you feel lucky, punk?
Swith Witherward wrote:Mallorea and Riva wrote:Actually this isn't the first time this has been tried... in fact it has succeeded before, but only ever on the region Nazi Europe. At this point judging by the level of opposition I would say that this proves pretty definitively that passwords for RP regions are the perfect defense since the NS population as a whole will vote overwhelmingly against a Liberation of their region.
Yeah, I remember the Nazi Europe thing. Total nightmare.
There were a couple of things I could have done differently to garner support, but I tried to make it as straightforward and honest a proposal as possible. Obviously not every agrees with the facts as presented, and they're entitled to their opinion as to what happened in TSP last year. But for those of us who were there, we know The "wing-nut" vote is pretty effectively countered by the Delegates who can stomp proposals.Swith Witherward wrote:It think you'd have done better to remove that one clause which makes it a benchmark. It would turn this proposal into a region-specific thing rather than seemingly all-encompassing. More people might have been inclined to agree.
I also fear the wing-nut vote. Noobs see "liberate" and assume the region is under siege, thus they vote to liberate it. They don't read into the history behind the mess.
Meh. My two cents.
by Lykens » Sun Jul 06, 2014 12:47 am
Tergnitz wrote:I am amazed that this rather bizarre proposal was created by a mod, as it constitutes nothing less than a blatantly antagonistic attack on this site's RP community. The R/D mechanic is not one in which I partake, though it do understand that some do and find it quite enjoyable. However, the RP community, in their desire to enjoy this site in a different way, decided to opt-out of the mechanic by utilizing region passwords. That a user, who has theoretically gone through some kind of screening process to obtain his rank as a Moderator, not only created this travesty of a proposal, but then blatantly lied in its defense, shocks me.
by United States of Cascadia » Sun Jul 06, 2014 12:50 am
Lykens wrote:Tergnitz wrote:I am amazed that this rather bizarre proposal was created by a mod, as it constitutes nothing less than a blatantly antagonistic attack on this site's RP community. The R/D mechanic is not one in which I partake, though it do understand that some do and find it quite enjoyable. However, the RP community, in their desire to enjoy this site in a different way, decided to opt-out of the mechanic by utilizing region passwords. That a user, who has theoretically gone through some kind of screening process to obtain his rank as a Moderator, not only created this travesty of a proposal, but then blatantly lied in its defense, shocks me.
What does he being a moderator have to do with the resolution?
I don't see why people drag out the fact he's a moderator.
And it's quiet easy to make sure this doesn't pass, don't vote for it.
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by Elke and Elba » Sun Jul 06, 2014 12:51 am
Lykens wrote:Tergnitz wrote:I am amazed that this rather bizarre proposal was created by a mod, as it constitutes nothing less than a blatantly antagonistic attack on this site's RP community. The R/D mechanic is not one in which I partake, though it do understand that some do and find it quite enjoyable. However, the RP community, in their desire to enjoy this site in a different way, decided to opt-out of the mechanic by utilizing region passwords. That a user, who has theoretically gone through some kind of screening process to obtain his rank as a Moderator, not only created this travesty of a proposal, but then blatantly lied in its defense, shocks me.
What does he being a moderator have to do with the resolution?
I don't see why people drag out the fact he's a moderator.
And it's quiet easy to make sure this doesn't pass, don't vote for it.
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by Sichuan Pepper » Sun Jul 06, 2014 12:52 am
Mallorea and Riva wrote:Yeah but no one here can read. Literacy is a tool used by fendas, like IRC or morals.
by Mallorea and Riva » Sun Jul 06, 2014 12:53 am
Sichuan Pepper wrote:Being a moderator is only an issue when it is unpopular. Had Mall written a commend....while we might have pounced on it due to his invader alignment.....his Modship may not have been an issue.
I do not like this resolution and am firmly against it. I am also firmly opposed to most things Mall However the fact that he is a Mod really should not be relevant.
by The Candrian Empire » Sun Jul 06, 2014 12:59 am
Sichuan Pepper wrote:Being a moderator is only an issue when it is unpopular. Had Mall written a commend....while we might have pounced on it due to his invader alignment.....his Modship may not have been an issue.
I do not like this resolution and am firmly against it. I am also firmly opposed to most things Mall However the fact that he is a Mod really should not be relevant.
by Lykens » Sun Jul 06, 2014 1:09 am
Elke and Elba wrote:Lykens wrote:What does he being a moderator have to do with the resolution?
I don't see why people drag out the fact he's a moderator.
And it's quiet easy to make sure this doesn't pass, don't vote for it.
Heh, if you think so, there has been things that aren't supposed to pass that passed here and in the GA.
That's why GA regulars have to shoot down things they don't like as quickly as possible before the entire thing turns into a mess.
The Candrian Empire wrote:Sichuan Pepper wrote:Being a moderator is only an issue when it is unpopular. Had Mall written a commend....while we might have pounced on it due to his invader alignment.....his Modship may not have been an issue.
I do not like this resolution and am firmly against it. I am also firmly opposed to most things Mall However the fact that he is a Mod really should not be relevant.
Something like this gets proposed at least every few years, and only leads to what can only be described as a shitstorm. It never ends well. Why is him being a mod relevant, you ask? Why would a mod willingly put forward a proposal that the moderation and administrative staff already knows from experience leads to a giant steaming mess all over the forums? Is this a thing mods should be doing? Even if he is posting as a player, not a mod (which is only an academic argument since it is not possible to seperate the two) why would anyone want to raise this stink again?
by The Pacifican Islands » Sun Jul 06, 2014 1:35 am
by The Pacifican Islands » Sun Jul 06, 2014 1:37 am
by Mallorea and Riva » Sun Jul 06, 2014 1:38 am
The Pacifican Islands wrote:A quote from my friend:
New
1.) Who was the mod that deleted everyone from the old USG?
2.) Which raider unit(s) do the couple mods that raid belong to (I know Mall and Sheep-Flag raid)?
I want to know these because I find it really fishy now that our region had raiders in it less than a day after the founder, the delegate, and every WA nation in our region got deleted. I didn't realize before that mods were allowed to partake in this R/D "game".
I want NO, NONE, ZERO, ZIP allegations made until WE KNOW FOR A FACT, the answers to the questions. They remain the ramblings of a paranoid Slav still looking out for Comrade Stalin to send him to Gulag until we have facts. Is that clear? No fingers pointed, no bad mouthing, no nothing. Just asking questions.
by Imperializt Russia » Sun Jul 06, 2014 1:44 am
Chester Pearson wrote:The Candrian Empire wrote:Kinda concerned why a mod would put this forward when it's been done before and has caused massive amounts of anger from the RP community every time. Is it intentional trolling? or was it just an absent minded mistake by someone who clearly shouldn't be in charge of moderating a forum with this sort of divisive community?
Please read the last 65 pages, before attempting to incite another flame war please?
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by Deamonopolis » Sun Jul 06, 2014 2:00 am
by Mallorea and Riva » Sun Jul 06, 2014 2:04 am
Deamonopolis wrote:Whomever thought it was a good idea to allow game moderators to participate in the invade/defend game? It has conflict of interest written all over it.
by Deamonopolis » Sun Jul 06, 2014 2:22 am
by Swith Witherward » Sun Jul 06, 2014 2:32 am
Sichuan Pepper wrote:Being a moderator is only an issue when it is unpopular. Had Mall written a commend....while we might have pounced on it due to his invader alignment.....his Modship may not have been an issue.
I do not like this resolution and am firmly against it. I am also firmly opposed to most things Mall However the fact that he is a Mod really should not be relevant.
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