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by Replicated Malgraveans » Thu Jul 03, 2014 4:14 pm
by Minnysota » Thu Jul 03, 2014 4:15 pm
Mallorea and Riva wrote:You mean like besides the embassy which was given during the coup in exchange for support?
by Delmonte » Thu Jul 03, 2014 4:15 pm
Mallorea and Riva wrote:Minnysota wrote:Plus lets not forget you've still provided no proof that Haven was even remotely involved. And again, even if one or two Havenites were involved, that doesn't justify stripping them of their region. And can we stop calling this "Liberate Haven"? It's pretty clear that this is a Raid, not a Liberation.
You mean like besides the embassy which was given during the coup in exchange for support?The members of the Concordat who signed on to support raiders do. But TSP wasn't a raid, it was a coup, a coup backed by around two hundred RP'ers, including some from Haven and Haven's express approval.Delmonte wrote:Mallorea, I am in Anarchy right now endorsing a Raider delegate as part of an agreement with several raiding groups. Granted, I won't be there much longer, but that's where I've been for the past couple months. So doesn't that mean that the RP community supports the Raiders? By your Aristotelian quality logic.
The Batorys wrote:The Delmontese like money, yeah, but they also like to throw down.
[b][color=#0000FF][background=red]United in Opposition to [url=http://forum.nationstates.net/viewtopic.php?t=303025]Liberate Haven[/url][/background][/color][/b]
[color=#FF0000][b]Mallorea and Riva should [url=http://forum.nationstates.net/viewtopic.php?f=16&t=303090]resign[/url][/b][/color]
by Nierr » Thu Jul 03, 2014 4:15 pm
Roania wrote:Nierr wrote:A large or small number of as yet unnamed Havenites who may or may not exist on this site anymore and may or may not have been organised on IRCs and sites that have nothing to do with nationstates.
Like the mainly Haven-descended SMS site.
I have no idea who any of these people are, but then, I may be out of the circle of RP these days.
by New Azura » Thu Jul 03, 2014 4:15 pm
by The Batorys » Thu Jul 03, 2014 4:15 pm
by Mallorea and Riva » Thu Jul 03, 2014 4:15 pm
Maltropia wrote:Oh, Mall, I know Paradoxia's not high on your list of regions to demolish, but I have to confess that former WAD United States of Peace (who has since CTE'd) did participate in the post-TSP coup endorsement of Milograd. Just so you have material when you get around to my region.
by Kraciva » Thu Jul 03, 2014 4:16 pm
by The Batorys » Thu Jul 03, 2014 4:16 pm
Nierr wrote:The Batorys wrote:Lots of RPers hate milograd and blame him for getting raiders involved with RP regions.
That hate is completely misplaced, and totally ignores the fact that raiders were targeting RP regions before Milograd was even a thing.
Hell, Haven was targeted for a liberation by raiders before Milograd the nation even existed. Haven was raided and griefed before Milograd's coup.
Anyone who blames Milograd for getting involved with RP regions is ignorant of history.
by Vetok » Thu Jul 03, 2014 4:16 pm
by Roania » Thu Jul 03, 2014 4:17 pm
by Rephesus » Thu Jul 03, 2014 4:17 pm
Mallorea and Riva wrote:Maltropia wrote:Oh, Mall, I know Paradoxia's not high on your list of regions to demolish, but I have to confess that former WAD United States of Peace (who has since CTE'd) did participate in the post-TSP coup endorsement of Milograd. Just so you have material when you get around to my region.
I mean that's good to know for future reference I guess. Not sure what it has to do with my proposal.
by Nierr » Thu Jul 03, 2014 4:17 pm
Mallorea and Riva wrote:The members of the Concordat who signed on to support raiders do. But TSP wasn't a raid, it was a coup, a coup backed by around two hundred RP'ers, including some from Haven and Haven's express approval.
by Ambroscus Koth » Thu Jul 03, 2014 4:17 pm
Katalonua wrote:Ambroscus Koth wrote:It's a shame you've all been lied to over the years, being told you don't have to participate in gameplay, because it's functionally inaccurate. Can't help that, Maltropia.
I understand I don't have to target your group of players, Miehm. That's what makes it fun. I don't enjoy being told not to eat the forbidden fruit.
Actually, you really don't. I have this nation, Oroloo, in a dead region that got invaded. I was perfectly fine, still able to RP and such as with no consequence. So, yeah, you /can/ ignore gameplay. The problem is that regions make it easier to coordinate RPs. Thus, we try to keep them as separate from R/N/D as much as we can.
I'll admit that you have a good point though, we are not separate from gameplay, hell, it's why passwords and founders exist in our regions. However, is it too much to ask raiders to leave RPers alone? Is taking over an RP region, a solely RP region, really worth that much to you?
by Mallorea and Riva » Thu Jul 03, 2014 4:18 pm
Vetok wrote:Ladies and gentlemen, we are done here. Mallorea got what he wanted, which was the involvement of RP'ers in the WA forum. That's all he wanted. Let's just go home, because nothing he does will ever matter one flying fuck to any of us.
Again not entirely correct.
by Voltrovia » Thu Jul 03, 2014 4:18 pm
by Novar Ohan » Thu Jul 03, 2014 4:18 pm
by Rephesus » Thu Jul 03, 2014 4:19 pm
Mallorea and Riva wrote:Vetok wrote:Ladies and gentlemen, we are done here. Mallorea got what he wanted, which was the involvement of RP'ers in the WA forum. That's all he wanted. Let's just go home, because nothing he does will ever matter one flying fuck to any of us.
... What? This is about Liberating Haven. Feel free to depart though, if you do not wish to debate the issue.Again not entirely correct.Rephesus wrote:It has to do with the fact that you're targeting RPing regular based on isolated incidents of indirect participation, and Password protected ones at that.
by The Batorys » Thu Jul 03, 2014 4:19 pm
Roania wrote:Mallorea and Riva wrote: You know that I know various RP'ers in here were in there right? So hearing certain people claim that they hate Milo and never get involved is really fascinating.
People don't get to flame their way out of aspects of the game.
What's your point? It CTE after the coup... it participated in the coup... longtime resident of haven... Just like I said.
I've never heard of Milograd, and I've been playing this game a lot longer than you. Had someone come up to me and told me to get involved in R&D because he wanted to launch some imaginary coup in a feeder region, I'd tell him to fuck off and call down the fires of hell upon his cause. I'd probably warn everyone about it just to rub salt in his wounds.
I'm involved in this solely because I loathe R&D, and its players. And I have to admit it's not much of a reason, but it's better than the reason you've proposed for starting this.
by Oseato » Thu Jul 03, 2014 4:20 pm
Mallorea and Riva wrote:Minnysota wrote:Plus lets not forget you've still provided no proof that Haven was even remotely involved. And again, even if one or two Havenites were involved, that doesn't justify stripping them of their region. And can we stop calling this "Liberate Haven"? It's pretty clear that this is a Raid, not a Liberation.
You mean like besides the embassy which was given during the coup in exchange for support?The members of the Concordat who signed on to support raiders do. But TSP wasn't a raid, it was a coup, a coup backed by around two hundred RP'ers, including some from Haven and Haven's express approval.Delmonte wrote:Mallorea, I am in Anarchy right now endorsing a Raider delegate as part of an agreement with several raiding groups. Granted, I won't be there much longer, but that's where I've been for the past couple months. So doesn't that mean that the RP community supports the Raiders? By your Aristotelian quality logic.
by The Batorys » Thu Jul 03, 2014 4:20 pm
Vetok wrote:Mallorea and Riva wrote: You know that I know various RP'ers in here were in there right? So hearing certain people claim that they hate Milo and never get involved is really fascinating.
Hey, here's a thought...name them. Go on. I'm up all night doing other stuff so I've got all the time in the world.Mallorea and Riva wrote:What's your point? It CTE after the coup... it participated in the coup... longtime resident of haven... Just like I said.
One name. One. One name to justify fucking over an entire region? Pathetic.
by Mini Miehm » Thu Jul 03, 2014 4:20 pm
Mallorea and Riva wrote:Vetok wrote:Ladies and gentlemen, we are done here. Mallorea got what he wanted, which was the involvement of RP'ers in the WA forum. That's all he wanted. Let's just go home, because nothing he does will ever matter one flying fuck to any of us.
... What? This is about Liberating Haven. Feel free to depart though, if you do not wish to debate the issue.Again not entirely correct.Rephesus wrote:It has to do with the fact that you're targeting RPing regular based on isolated incidents of indirect participation, and Password protected ones at that.
by Vetok » Thu Jul 03, 2014 4:21 pm
Mallorea and Riva wrote:Vetok wrote:Ladies and gentlemen, we are done here. Mallorea got what he wanted, which was the involvement of RP'ers in the WA forum. That's all he wanted. Let's just go home, because nothing he does will ever matter one flying fuck to any of us.
... What? This is about Liberating Haven. Feel free to depart though, if you do not wish to debate the issue.
by The Batorys » Thu Jul 03, 2014 4:21 pm
Ambroscus Koth wrote:It's a shame you've all been lied to over the years, being told you don't have to participate in gameplay, because it's functionally inaccurate. Can't help that, Maltropia.
I understand I don't have to target your group of players, Miehm. That's what makes it fun. I don't enjoy being told not to eat the forbidden fruit.
by Syndication » Thu Jul 03, 2014 4:21 pm
Mini Miehm wrote:
You're damn skippy I'm angry. The delegates of the GCRs, whatever the hell those are, because I have no idea, can be assured that if they stop fucking with us, I will have absolutely zerofucks to give about raiding and gameplay in general.
Mini Miehm wrote:When we have mods specifically targeting us for harassment, I will not only get angry, but I will advocate for the destruction of the entire gameplay segment of this site, if that's what it takes for people to just leave us alone.
Mini Miehm wrote:The quickest way to keep roleplayers from advocatng against the portion of the game that others enjoy is to quit trying to drag us forcefully into it. We don't want to be involved, so quit trying to involve us.
Mini Miehm wrote:Don't be shocked when we get extremely pissed off about it. Just as pissed off as the GCRs are liable to get when we advocate getting rid of R/D.
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