DRAFT: Condemn NAZI EUROPE

[Of The Aryan People]

Message from The Confederacy Of the Aryan People - Hank Meadows - President.

The plans to defeat Nazi Europe are much so in vain. We have the right to live in a region to which we can decide what is wrong and isnt. Any hostile action will be aggressivly dismissed. You see folks, you will never stop this great flag from waving. Aryans never die. They are only reborn.

Nazi Europe

[Far-Tortuga]

The Space Hulk Republic would like to take this time to express its displeasure with this 'codemnation.' Frankly we do not think the World Assembly's time is best spent fruitlessly wrist-slapping those who expout undesirable ideologies, especially as we believe the main purpose for such spouting is to garner attention. This condemnation then is the ultimate achievement of NAZI EUROPE's brash, ruffian tactics. The World Assembly will not punish NAZI EUROPE by giving them a dramatic black banner, it will reward them.

Unlike the Macedonians, the members of NAZI EUROPE have to our knowledge not done anything actively malignant. At worst they have made jackasses of themselves, and we hardly feel that jackassery is grounds for condemnation by the World Assembly.

[Bears Armed]

I see that the nation "Of The Aryan People" has ceased to exist, and that so has the nation "BNPs Britain": Have the rules of NS just been changed, to make running 'Nazi' nations actually illegal, or did they offend too greatly against the pre-existing rules?

[Goobergunchia]

Can't speak for the first one, but the following Moderation threads appear relevant to BNPs Britain:

viewtopic.php?f=16&t=6698
viewtopic.php?f=16&t=6774

This has been an OOC post.

[Bears Armed]

Good grief!
(or 'Bad grief!' ?)

[Charlotte Ryberg]

I'm not sure about this proposal but it seems a Getting Help Request may be required in this case. Any thoughts?

[Greater Americania]

We find it humorous that your intent is to hurt Nazi Europe, but in truth you're only helping them. Nazi Europe supports this bill, you know. They want the publicity.

[Goobergunchia]

We are unfamiliar with the "Nazi ideology" that this resolution recognizes as an ideology "of hate". Could somebody please inform the Assembly of what actions have been performed by members of the region NAZI EUROPE that have been particularly and extraordinarily hateful? Until this is done, we are inclined to oppose this resolution.

[float=right][/float][Lord] Michael Evif
Goobergunchian UN Ambassador
Retired Officer, Nasicournia

[OOC: I consider the Security Council to be an odd merger of Gameplay-IC and standard RP-IC, with the former generally prevailing. However, I can't justify IC knowledge of Nazism from either perspective. As much as I dislike Nazis IRL, I can't justify my nation's vote based solely on OOC knowledge.]

[SilentScope4]

The Nazi (or National Socialist) ideology is an ideology that claims that the key to national prosperity is by having a national flag with a twisted cross. Twisted crosses however are seen as a symbol of hate by most people, as twisted crosses are indicative of a desire to break the "Cross" that represent Chrisitanity. Many National Socialist countries in fact did adopt this national flag, but they were mysteriously nuked out of orbit. This caused the remaining National Socialists to not adopt this flag, but in their hearts, they know that the only true way to Utopia is to one day wave that Twisted Cross freely and proudly.

[Goobergunchia]

We thank the ambassador from SilentScope4 for his explanation.

[float=right][/float][Lord] Michael Evif
Goobergunchian UN Ambassador
Retired Officer, Nasicournia

[TannerFrankLand]

No one said I was trying to hurt Nazi Europe, again I said many times I was most certainly not trying to do that.

And in case anyone else cares, THE DRAFT PROCESS IS OVER AND HAS BEEN FOR MANY WEEKS! This thread is closed...

I am growing tired of the telegrams, and the intimidator that was sent to recruit nations from my region to Nazi Europe... All in all, had I known that people would be willing to be so annoying in order to ensure that only raiders are condemned I would have never submitted this...

The WA world is really really pointless, if you don't agree with a few determined players, they will harass you away. Leave me alone, there's nothing I can do know if you haven’t noticed.

Anyway, on to the point of this message, other than pure harassing telegrams, I did get some requests from others to use some of the wordings from my proposal. While I discourage any nation from doing this as you will be tormented into quitting the game, they can use it if they really want too. So, don't delete a few proposals on the board that use the same wording, they have my permission.

[Scarsaw]

((OOC: I'm very sorry all that happened to you TannerFrankLand, as for as much as I disagree with your proposal to condemn the region I belong to, I do hate to see that others' reactions to your actions has caused you to quit the game. It is sad that some cannot just realize it's a game and leave it at that, but feel the need to take it one step further, mixing RL with the game and making a mess out of it all. Hopefully when this all blows over, you can return back to NS without having the telegrams that is causing you to leave right now.

EDIT: I realized you didn't say you were leaving, but I noticed you said you were days ago in your region, so I presumed it was over this topic.))

[Mad Sheep Railgun]

[OOC: I consider the Security Council to be an odd merger of Gameplay-IC and standard RP-IC, with the former generally prevailing. However, I can't justify IC knowledge of Nazism from either perspective. As much as I dislike Nazis IRL, I can't justify my nation's vote based solely on OOC knowledge.]

I think it's a bit late to be worrying about IC and OOC in a Security Council resolution when we just got through commending "the player behind Kandarin".

[Goobergunchia]

And in case anyone else cares, THE DRAFT PROCESS IS OVER AND HAS BEEN FOR MANY WEEKS! This thread is closed...

Uh, the proposal is at quorum and due to be voted upon. This thread seemed like the logical place to continue discussion.

I think it's a bit late to be worrying about IC and OOC in a Security Council resolution when we just got through commending "the player behind Kandarin".

I don't consider that to be binding precedent. My opinion stands.

This has been an OOC post.

[Kandarin]

I think it's a bit late to be worrying about IC and OOC in a Security Council resolution when we just got through commending "the player behind Kandarin".

To expand on what Goobergunchia said, that shouldn't be taken as a binding precedent to guide what future C&Cs should be like. That wording was only sensible due to a confluence of play styles that most nations simply don't share. It wouldn't work for purely OOC Gameplay nations (as an IC version could be fabricated on the spot), nor for purely IC RP nations (as they should be judged on the virtues or vices of their IC nation), nor for those whose OOC and IC match closely (no conflict). Commend Kandarin was only worded the way it was because I have an OOC and IC that are blatantly and deliberately different, thus an ICly-worded resolution would be based on demonstrably false premises. While I'm far from the only player who does that kind of contrast, the vast majority do not and so the wording of Commend Kandarin should not be seen as the precedent upon which all further Commendations are built.

[Mad Sheep Railgun]

I think it's a bit late to be worrying about IC and OOC in a Security Council resolution when we just got through commending "the player behind Kandarin".

To expand on what Goobergunchia said, that shouldn't be taken as a binding precedent to guide what future C&Cs should be like. That wording was only sensible due to a confluence of play styles that most nations simply don't share. It wouldn't work for purely OOC Gameplay nations (as an IC version could be fabricated on the spot), nor for purely IC RP nations (as they should be judged on the virtues or vices of their IC nation), nor for those whose OOC and IC match closely (no conflict). Commend Kandarin was only worded the way it was because I have an OOC and IC that are blatantly and deliberately different, thus an ICly-worded resolution would be based on demonstrably false premises. While I'm far from the only player who does that kind of contrast, the vast majority do not and so the wording of Commend Kandarin should not be seen as the precedent upon which all further Commendations are built.

Yes, but it is a passed World Assembly Resolution. It made it to quorum without being deleted for illegality, was voted on, and passed. It is by definition legal, and therefore it does set precedent. I could write a perfectly legal commendation of "the player behind Omigodtheykilledkenny", using the "he's nicer OOC than he is IC" rationale. It wouldn't pass of course, but I could still write it, get it to quorum and have it voted on.

[Scarsaw]

The Federation of Scarsaw would likes to show it's amusement that we are the ones condemned, when we rarely extend our ideology beyond our region's boarders or harass others with it and are often threatened, harassed, and mocked by others. Often we have to tolerate comments in our region's boarders such as "Well, well, well, look what we have here. A putrid little nest of Nazis ripe for eradication" and constant threats from raiding regions like the Genesis Defense Project and Shadow Warriors. Often nations in our region are destroyed by a higher being without any warning and for the smallest sin. Now, the Federation does not want to use this to gather any sort of sympathy, but wanted to point out a side that people of the World Assembly might over look or could have had withheld from them when voting on the condemnation of NAZI EUROPE.

It is true that the ideology of National Socialism and/or Nazism is an ideal that bands our region together, but it is also an ideal highly up for interpretation. The Federation has noticed that the public in general are ill educated when it comes to National Socialism, as they often dismiss it too fast to understand what they are dismissing. National Socialism is a concept created by a French man long ago and to put into lay man's terms, it is the unity of a nation by declaring a common 'enemy' of the nation, along with providing socialist programs, views and care to the people within the boarders. Commonly the enemy of the nation is seen as another race, for an old saying goes "my race is my nation," but that may not always be the case. It could be another culture or, in the Federation of Scarsaw's case, those still infected with the solanum virus, commonly known as zombies or undead. Nazism is much more well known. It is generally a type of National Socialism created by a German man years ago, with strong militarism and the 'enemy' is declared as those outside of the Aryan race. I hope that this brief layman's description of the ideology will help bring some clarification to the other nations of the World Assembly.

[Sound Systems]

I am the delegate of Nazi Europe, and support the condemnation, but that is not what I am writing about. I have seen that the nation who proposed this claims to have been harassed by members of Nazi Europe.

Please send me details of this, we may not agree with you but I absolutely do not condone spamming, grieving, harassing or any similair behaviour against any nation and think that it is a stain on our region. If you send details I can sort it out and ensure that it does not happen again.

Sound Systems

[Nazi Occupied Europe]

As a region, we have done nothing wrong. There may have been a few rogue nations who spammed other region's RMB's, but surely they should be receiving the condemnation and not the entire region (that is not an invitation to condemn those nations, I think they've been deleted anyway). I am certain that as a region, Nazi Europe has done nothing wrong, and that the only reason you have even submitted a proposal to condemn us is because you saw the name of our region, and without investigating any further, you thought, "right, Nazi Europe - contains the word Nazi, they're evil, I want to condemn them."

As far as the condemnation of Nazi Europe goes, I am not bothered whether is passes or not, but if it were to be denied, I would be glad to see this, not because it would stop our region from receiving a badge, but because it would show that the majority of the WA knows that the condemnation of a region,for it's beliefs, as long as they are kept inside their own region, is wrong. For that reason I strongly urge all who read this is vote against this resolution.

Thank you for reading.