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Sedgistan
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Postby Sedgistan » Wed Apr 29, 2015 2:19 am

Kaboomlandia wrote:Out of curiosity, has anybody ever seen something get dinged for R1?

A quick search of the modlogs suggests it's happened at least 5 times.

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Bhang Bhang Duc
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Postby Bhang Bhang Duc » Thu Apr 30, 2015 1:18 pm

SECURITY COUNCIL PROPOSAL
ID: united_soviet_soc_american_republics_1430406786

Repeal "Condemn the Pacific"

A resolution to repeal previously passed legislation.



Category: Repeal

Resolution: SC#177

Proposed by: United Soviet Soc American Republics


Description: WA Security Council Resolution #177: Condemn the Pacific shall be struck out and rendered null and void.

Argument: I have a country in the Pacific, and we are happy. you should not condemn it just because of the past. and even if it did invade, no harm was done in the long run. this is an example of WA tyranny and abuse of power. this will probably be defeated, but frankly, I don't care. the WA, especially the Security council has overstepped their bounds.



R3, R4


SECURITY COUNCIL PROPOSAL
ID: united_soviet_soc_american_republics_1430412287

Commend The Communist Bloc

A resolution to recognize outstanding contribution by a nation or region.



Category: Commendation

Nominee: The Communist Bloc

Proposed by: United Soviet Soc American Republics


Description: ARTICLE I: INTRO AND DESCRIPTION

REASONS FOR COMMENDING THE COMMUNIST BLOC:The communist bloc has been a shining example of peaceful cooperation among the various ideology, presents a gold standard of communism/socialism, and has a very high regional power.

COMMON CONCERNS ABUT THE COMMUNIST

1) certain discriminatory groups hate communism and Socialism, completely ignoring the fact that in it's true form, Iron Fist Socialism, high amounts of personal freedom and a booming economy are trademarks.

2)Communists are usually portrayed as invasive militaristic dictators.
while in some cases that may be true, The Communist Bloc is nothing like that. That is why I would like to commend the Communist bloc for a shining example of communism peacefully interacting with other non communist.

REASONS WHY WE MUST COMMEND THIS GREAT EXAMPLE OF SOCIALIST COEXISTING WITH CAPITALISTS:

1) because it will show the world that all forms of government and ideology can coexist and prosper. this commendation is not about communism, it is about peace and equality, which this council and community stand for

2) to not commend an example of moderates from a historically radical sect would cause the radicals to grow bolder and the moderates to become discouraged.

ARTICLE II: CLOSING

REASONS FOR DISCOURAGING RADICAL REGIONS AND PROMOTING PEACE: The most common concerns we deal with as a World are regions installing dictators in other regions, radical groups taking over moderate group and elevating a radical member to power, and other issues of a similar manner. So yes we can condemn nations and topple regimes, but we can also encourage the growth and achievements of moderate peaceful regions. r=that is why we should commend The Communist Bloc.


R3, R4
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Sedgistan wrote:The SC has just has a spate of really shitty ones recently from Northumbria, his Watermelon fanboy…..

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Postby Kaboomlandia » Sun May 03, 2015 6:37 pm

SECURITY COUNCIL PROPOSAL
ID: gordinia_1430700318

Condemn Unfortunate Outcomes

A resolution to express shock and dismay at a nation or region.


Category: Condemnation

Nominee: Unfortunate Outcomes

Proposed by: Gordinia

Description: Condemn Unfortunate Outcomes for embodying everything that could go wrong with the world. A nation created strictly to spam and insult different regions around the world, and cause disturbance.

Unfortunate Outcomes has now been ejected and banned from four regions, and will no doubt begin spamming in another. This is a nation that does not learn lessons, and should be condemned for its misuse of privileges given to it, and incredible annoyance it has caused to the four regions it has afflicted so far.

Approvals: 0

Status: Lacking Support (requires 93 more approvals)

Voting Ends: in 3 days 2 hours

Spamming = R4?
Anyway, this seems like something that should really be put into a GHR, making it R2.

EDIT: I looked at the posts that the author is complaining about. They should definitely go file a GHR.
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Postby We Are Not the NSA » Wed May 06, 2015 7:43 pm

Condemn Corruzione Di Massa e La Morte

A resolution to express shock and dismay at a nation or region.


Category: Condemnation

Nominee: Corruzione Di Massa e La Morte

Proposed by: Gordinia

Description: We experience profound shock at the threatening, and exclusionary attitude that Corruzione Di Massa e La Morte has put towards the world.

Disgust: at the repeated and ejections and bans of blameless nations from Corruzione Di Massa e La Morte.

Dismay: at the waste of a region that is now inhabited by one sole nation.

Shock: at the fact that all ejected and banned nations had done nothing wrong.

Unfairness: located at the act in which the WA delegate of Corruzione Di Massa e La Morte, The Most Serene Republic of Gordinia, was ousted.

Unhappiness: with the blackmail that Corruzione Di Massa e La Morte has used to propose embassies.

Corruzione Di Massa e La Morte is a sad region, one that has done only blackmail, deceit, and unfair ejecting and banning to get where it is.

Corruzione Di Massa e La Morte recently proposed embassies with The Black Riders, a condemned region.

Condemn Corruzione Di Massa e La Morte, it is about time we did something.

R4
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Postby Kaboomlandia » Wed May 06, 2015 8:18 pm

Where? I don't see it.
In=character, Kaboomlandia is a World Assembly member and abides by its resolutions. If this nation isn't in the WA, it's for practical reasons.
Author of GA #371 and SC #208, #214, #226, #227, #230, #232
Co-Author of SC #204
"Insanity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting a different result."
Only two things are infinite, the universe and human stupidity, and I'm not sure about the former."

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Bhang Bhang Duc
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Postby Bhang Bhang Duc » Thu May 07, 2015 2:09 am

Kaboomlandia wrote:Where? I don't see it.

Use of "we" in the first and last paragraph is my guess.
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Pierconium wrote:I see Funk as an opportunistic manipulator that utilises the means available to him to reach his goals. In other words, a nation after my own heart.

RiderSyl wrote:If an enchantress made it so one raid could bring about world peace, Unibot would ask raiders to just sign a petition instead.

Sedgistan wrote:The SC has just has a spate of really shitty ones recently from Northumbria, his Watermelon fanboy…..

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Postby Sedgistan » Thu May 07, 2015 3:24 am

"We" can be read as "we, the Security Council/World Assembly", so that's not a Rule 4 violation.

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Postby Bhang Bhang Duc » Thu May 07, 2015 3:42 am

Sedgistan wrote:"We" can be read as "we, the Security Council/World Assembly", so that's not a Rule 4 violation.

Okay. Thanks for the clarification Sedge.
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Pierconium wrote:I see Funk as an opportunistic manipulator that utilises the means available to him to reach his goals. In other words, a nation after my own heart.

RiderSyl wrote:If an enchantress made it so one raid could bring about world peace, Unibot would ask raiders to just sign a petition instead.

Sedgistan wrote:The SC has just has a spate of really shitty ones recently from Northumbria, his Watermelon fanboy…..

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Postby We Are Not the NSA » Thu May 07, 2015 4:44 am

Sedgistan wrote:"We" can be read as "we, the Security Council/World Assembly", so that's not a Rule 4 violation.

Sorry, I interpreted that wrong :unsure:
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Postby Bhang Bhang Duc » Thu May 07, 2015 6:01 am

We Are Not the NSA wrote:
Sedgistan wrote:"We" can be read as "we, the Security Council/World Assembly", so that's not a Rule 4 violation.

Sorry, I interpreted that wrong :unsure:

I read it the same way you probably did, as "we (the author)" rather than " we the SC". Ambiguous.
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Pierconium wrote:I see Funk as an opportunistic manipulator that utilises the means available to him to reach his goals. In other words, a nation after my own heart.

RiderSyl wrote:If an enchantress made it so one raid could bring about world peace, Unibot would ask raiders to just sign a petition instead.

Sedgistan wrote:The SC has just has a spate of really shitty ones recently from Northumbria, his Watermelon fanboy…..

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Postby Kaboomlandia » Fri May 08, 2015 4:24 pm

SECURITY COUNCIL PROPOSAL
ID: czarist_catholic_russia_2_1431127401

Liberate United Catholic Nations

A resolution to strike down Delegate-imposed barriers to free entry in a region.


Category: Liberation

Nominee (region): United Catholic Nations

Proposed by: Czarist catholic Russia 2

Description: Saddened by the takeover of united catholic nations by the imperial communists of North Korea and noting that they password it preventing any natives from returning asking to reverse the act of bigotry by lifting the password and preventing it from being passworded again

Approvals: 0

Status: Lacking Support (requires 93 more approvals)

Voting Ends: in 3 days 4 hours

R3
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Author of GA #371 and SC #208, #214, #226, #227, #230, #232
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Postby Nurkama » Fri May 08, 2015 7:01 pm

SECURITY COUNCIL PROPOSAL
ID: czarist_catholic_russia_2_1431127401

Liberate United Catholic Nations

A resolution to strike down Delegate-imposed barriers to free entry in a region.


Category: Liberation

Nominee (region): United Catholic Nations

Proposed by: Czarist catholic Russia 2

Description: Saddened by the takeover of united catholic nations by the imperial communists of North Korea and noting that they password it preventing any natives from returning asking to reverse the act of bigotry by lifting the password and preventing it from being passworded again

Approvals: 1 (Swellopolis)

Status: Lacking Support (requires 92 more approvals)

Voting Ends: in 3 days 2 hours
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Postby Kaboomlandia » Sun May 10, 2015 3:08 pm

SECURITY COUNCIL PROPOSAL
ID: antarctica1_1431293057

Condemn Evil Region of Death

A resolution to express shock and dismay at a nation or region.


Category: Condemnation

Nominee: Evil Region of Death

Proposed by: Antarctica1

Description: Supporting Tyranny and cruel countries to its people.

Approvals: 0

Status: Lacking Support (requires 93 more approvals)

Voting Ends: in 3 days 5 hours

:rofl:
In=character, Kaboomlandia is a World Assembly member and abides by its resolutions. If this nation isn't in the WA, it's for practical reasons.
Author of GA #371 and SC #208, #214, #226, #227, #230, #232
Co-Author of SC #204
"Insanity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting a different result."
Only two things are infinite, the universe and human stupidity, and I'm not sure about the former."

"Your legitimacy, Kaboom, has melted away in my eyes. I couldn't have believed that only a shadow of your once brilliant WA career remains."

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Postby Ebsotz » Sun May 10, 2015 3:51 pm

Kaboomlandia wrote:
SECURITY COUNCIL PROPOSAL
ID: antarctica1_1431293057

Condemn Evil Region of Death

A resolution to express shock and dismay at a nation or region.


Category: Condemnation

Nominee: Evil Region of Death

Proposed by: Antarctica1

Description: Supporting Tyranny and cruel countries to its people.

Approvals: 0

Status: Lacking Support (requires 93 more approvals)

Voting Ends: in 3 days 5 hours

:rofl:

LOL! :rofl:

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Postby Imperium Anglorum » Sun May 10, 2015 11:12 pm

Kaboomlandia wrote:
SECURITY COUNCIL PROPOSAL
ID: antarctica1_1431293057

Condemn Evil Region of Death

A resolution to express shock and dismay at a nation or region.


Category: Condemnation

Nominee: Evil Region of Death

Proposed by: Antarctica1

Description: Supporting Tyranny and cruel countries to its people.

Approvals: 0

Status: Lacking Support (requires 93 more approvals)

Voting Ends: in 3 days 5 hours

:rofl:

This stuff right here is why I've been in favour of changing the label next to the proposal box from 'Description' to something like 'Resolution Text'.

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Postby Kaboomlandia » Mon May 11, 2015 6:09 am

Imperium Anglorum wrote:
Kaboomlandia wrote:
SECURITY COUNCIL PROPOSAL
ID: antarctica1_1431293057

Condemn Evil Region of Death

A resolution to express shock and dismay at a nation or region.


Category: Condemnation

Nominee: Evil Region of Death

Proposed by: Antarctica1

Description: Supporting Tyranny and cruel countries to its people.

Approvals: 0

Status: Lacking Support (requires 93 more approvals)

Voting Ends: in 3 days 5 hours

:rofl:

This stuff right here is why I've been in favour of changing the label next to the proposal box from 'Description' to something like 'Resolution Text'.

A couple of times, I've seen people actually writing in the "so-and-so shall be struck out and rendered null and void" into their repeal texts by accident.
In=character, Kaboomlandia is a World Assembly member and abides by its resolutions. If this nation isn't in the WA, it's for practical reasons.
Author of GA #371 and SC #208, #214, #226, #227, #230, #232
Co-Author of SC #204
"Insanity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting a different result."
Only two things are infinite, the universe and human stupidity, and I'm not sure about the former."

"Your legitimacy, Kaboom, has melted away in my eyes. I couldn't have believed that only a shadow of your once brilliant WA career remains."

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Postby Kaboomlandia » Mon May 11, 2015 7:34 am

SECURITY COUNCIL PROPOSAL
ID: tzoulia_1431351092

Condemn Nazi Corp

A resolution to express shock and dismay at a nation or region.


Category: Condemnation

Nominee: Nazi Corp

Proposed by: Tzoulia

Description: Considering that Nation States is against the policies of hate,
And that the hate filled ideas are present in the region,
The Republic of Nazi Corp's motto "Heil Hitler" has a connatation of hate.
This region should be comdemned.

Approvals: 0

Status: Lacking Support (requires 94 more approvals)

Voting Ends: in 3 days 1 hour

R3. Also, Nazi Corp should be "comdemned"?
In=character, Kaboomlandia is a World Assembly member and abides by its resolutions. If this nation isn't in the WA, it's for practical reasons.
Author of GA #371 and SC #208, #214, #226, #227, #230, #232
Co-Author of SC #204
"Insanity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting a different result."
Only two things are infinite, the universe and human stupidity, and I'm not sure about the former."

"Your legitimacy, Kaboom, has melted away in my eyes. I couldn't have believed that only a shadow of your once brilliant WA career remains."

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Postby Kaboomlandia » Tue May 12, 2015 6:15 am

SECURITY COUNCIL PROPOSAL
ID: solari_nation_1431428030

Condemn Gatesville Inc

A resolution to express shock and dismay at a nation or region.


Category: Condemnation

Nominee: Gatesville Inc

Proposed by: Solari Nation

Description: The WA,
REALIZING the fact that they are against the WA,
THEY have joined the WA against their own cause,
DISGUSTED at their hypocrisy,
HORRIFIED at the 166 nations who have joined them,
SUPRISED at the fact they proudly shout their hypocrisy,
CONFUSED at the fact they have a delegate and multiple WA members,
SHOCKED that so many nations would join a hypocrisy,
Hereby CONDEMN Gatesville Inc.

--Solari Nation

Approvals: 0

Status: Lacking Support (requires 93 more approvals)

Voting Ends: in 3 days 2 hours

R4
In=character, Kaboomlandia is a World Assembly member and abides by its resolutions. If this nation isn't in the WA, it's for practical reasons.
Author of GA #371 and SC #208, #214, #226, #227, #230, #232
Co-Author of SC #204
"Insanity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting a different result."
Only two things are infinite, the universe and human stupidity, and I'm not sure about the former."

"Your legitimacy, Kaboom, has melted away in my eyes. I couldn't have believed that only a shadow of your once brilliant WA career remains."

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Sedgistan
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Postby Sedgistan » Tue May 12, 2015 6:52 am

Where?

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Postby Kaboomlandia » Tue May 12, 2015 7:12 am

Sedgistan wrote:Where?

The last part "Solari Nation" - 4d. Proposals must be written from the perspective of the WA.
In=character, Kaboomlandia is a World Assembly member and abides by its resolutions. If this nation isn't in the WA, it's for practical reasons.
Author of GA #371 and SC #208, #214, #226, #227, #230, #232
Co-Author of SC #204
"Insanity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting a different result."
Only two things are infinite, the universe and human stupidity, and I'm not sure about the former."

"Your legitimacy, Kaboom, has melted away in my eyes. I couldn't have believed that only a shadow of your once brilliant WA career remains."

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Postby Herby » Tue May 12, 2015 7:31 am

SECURITY COUNCIL PROPOSAL
ID: iramerica_1431422248

Liberate Iran

A resolution to strike down Delegate-imposed barriers to free entry in a region.

Category: Liberation

Nominee (region): Iran

Proposed by: Iramerica

Description: Description: The Security Council,

Recognizing Iran as one of the oldest surviving regional communities in NationStates and that understanding its relatively complicated history is necessary to fully understand the region's current and dire situation,

Iran was raided by some alien nations in February 2014 and then the puppet delegate which had been chosen by the raiders , ejected and banned many nations from the region.

At the moment , Iran does not have any delegate and founder and as far as the former delegate had set up a password for the mentioned region, It is not possible to enter it because no one knows the password.

Hereby Authorizes a removal of Delegate-imposed barriers to free entry into Greece to aid in the eternal conflict against those who threaten interregional harmony and goodwill.

Approvals: 3 (The Dragon Reborns Followers, Grizzly Bears, Rottingheim)

Status: Lacking Support (requires 90 more approvals)

Voting Ends: in 3 days 1 hour


Emphasis added. The "free entry into Greece" part (target is Iran, not Greece) set off my plagiarism detector. Sure enough (SC#29):

Hereby Authorizes a removal of Delegate-imposed barriers to free entry into Greece to aid in the eternal conflict against those who threaten interregional harmony and goodwill.
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Postby Sedgistan » Tue May 12, 2015 7:37 am

Kaboomlandia wrote:
Sedgistan wrote:Where?

The last part "Solari Nation" - 4d. Proposals must be written from the perspective of the WA.

It is written from the perspective of the WA - see the first clause. It looks like an attempt to "sign" the proposal/list the author. That's unnecessary, but not something that'll get a (SC) proposal deleted.
Herby wrote:Emphasis added. The "free entry into Greece" part (target is Iran, not Greece) set off my plagiarism detector. Sure enough (SC#29):

Good spot - proposal deleted, nation banned from the WA.

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Postby Ebsotz » Tue May 12, 2015 3:58 pm

-snip-
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Postby Kaboomlandia » Tue May 12, 2015 5:09 pm

Ebsotz wrote:-snip-

Was it "Condemn Lazarus?"
In=character, Kaboomlandia is a World Assembly member and abides by its resolutions. If this nation isn't in the WA, it's for practical reasons.
Author of GA #371 and SC #208, #214, #226, #227, #230, #232
Co-Author of SC #204
"Insanity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting a different result."
Only two things are infinite, the universe and human stupidity, and I'm not sure about the former."

"Your legitimacy, Kaboom, has melted away in my eyes. I couldn't have believed that only a shadow of your once brilliant WA career remains."

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Postby Ebsotz » Tue May 12, 2015 7:40 pm

Kaboomlandia wrote:
Ebsotz wrote:-snip-

Was it "Condemn Lazarus?"

I think so

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