Infantry Discussion Thread 9: Parabellum [NO KAIJU]

[Azurg]

Am I the only one who finds it irritating when you're looking at an RP, and the first response is someone sending entire CBGs and infantry divisions? Worse still, when everyone jumps the bandwagon, or tries to out do the silly bastard.

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Legit infantry question, though. What kind of disadvantages would I be facing by having the section commander pull double duty as the section's vehicle commander as well? Would there be any advantages? Would these change with a mounted IC compared to a dismounted IC?

[Puzikas]

Discounted commanders are good at issuing orders to dismounts
Mounted commanders are good at issuing orders to vehicle
Personally I am of the opinion the squads leader should be dismounted.

[Laritaia]

iirc the disadvantage is that the vehicle is incapable operating independently, and will effectively be reduced to the role of MG team(abit a heavily armoured one) while the section is dismounted.

[Azurg]

iirc the disadvantage is that the vehicle is incapable operating independently, and will effectively be reduced to the role of MG team(abit a heavily armoured one) while the section is dismounted.

Don't IFVs act in such a manner anyway? I'm under the impression that they generally stick closely with their dismounts and provide fire support in a manner similar to an MG team.

[Puzikas]

Sometimes. The vehicle will sometimes go off and do vehicle things, other times it will wait for the Infantry to do Infantry things; sometimes help, sometimes wait.

The vehicle isn't totally useless without the squad commander; the dismounts are lacking without a senior troop go command them. It's far more useful in an infantry role to have the squads commander dismount, which is what Soviet experiences showed in the 80s.

The commander of the vehicle aught to be a different part of structure anyways tbh, he shouldn't be directly subservient to the squad NCO but should not be above him; he should be an almost seperate element effectively under Platoon command. Beleive it or not not all NCOs are at odds, most of them just want to get shit done so they can go back to yelling at privvies about the real enemies: WHITE SOCKS, HANDS IN YOUR POCKETS and ROLLED UP SLEEVES.

[Kazarogkai]

Discounted commanders are good at issuing orders to dismounts
Mounted commanders are good at issuing orders to vehicle
Personally I am of the opinion the squads leader should be dismounted.

Personally I think it depends on the vehicle in use. Is it a truck/technical or is it like an APC/IFV? If it is a truck/technical, soft skinned vehicle, I would say it would be fine since it would be "abandoned" anyway upon direct contact with the enemy. While the troopers are all mounted the Section Leader could act as the vehicle commander; when the troops are dismounted the Section Leader will perform his regular job.

[Purpelia]

Sometimes. The vehicle will sometimes go off and do vehicle things, other times it will wait for the Infantry to do Infantry things; sometimes help, sometimes wait.

The vehicle isn't totally useless without the squad commander; the dismounts are lacking without a senior troop go command them. It's far more useful in an infantry role to have the squads commander dismount, which is what Soviet experiences showed in the 80s.

The commander of the vehicle aught to be a different part of structure anyways tbh, he shouldn't be directly subservient to the squad NCO but should not be above him; he should be an almost seperate element effectively under Platoon command. Beleive it or not not all NCOs are at odds, most of them just want to get shit done so they can go back to yelling at privvies about the real enemies: WHITE SOCKS, HANDS IN YOUR POCKETS and ROLLED UP SLEEVES.

So would it maybe be a smart idea to make that official? As in have each platoon vehicle be a separate element or maybe bunched into a vehicle "squad" inside the infantry platoon that's under the direct command of the platoon commander? That would certainly improve his ability to have them do "vehicle things".

[The Kievan People]

Am I the only one who finds it irritating when you're looking at an RP, and the first response is someone sending entire CBGs and infantry divisions? Worse still, when everyone jumps the bandwagon, or tries to out do the silly bastard.

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Legit infantry question, though. What kind of disadvantages would I be facing by having the section commander pull double duty as the section's vehicle commander as well? Would there be any advantages? Would these change with a mounted IC compared to a dismounted IC?

Have separate crews and squads.

[The Archangel Conglomerate]

Seems to be the best idea

[Mozria]

1. I doubt very much the ability of any infantry-issue rifle - even if they have a laser-like ability to hit precisely what they're aimed at at any distance - to have an effective range of 1000 meters, unless the definition of "effective range" you use is radically different from mine or unless the infantry themselves are cybernetically enhanced. I don't expect an infantryman, unless they're a one-out-of-a-thousand marksman, to be able to shoot a rifle, under stress, and reliably hit people at 1000 meters. (Again, excepting a sniper who has a whole different sort of issues).

2. The physical range at which your vehicles can shoot their weapons and hit targets has no bearing on the range at which you'll actually be fighting. Because (unless your nation has radically different means of observation from what's used today) it's possible for people in an urban setting to hide almost perfectly from observation, they can no doubt lure your troops into combat at any range they choose.

1. The rifles (as well as most other issued projectile weapons) are equipped with computerized sights not unlike TrackingPoint systems. Combined with the fact that bullet flight time at that range with flechettes with a muzzle velocity of 1,000 m/s (as with the rifles used by the infantry in my FRUs) would be just over a second, infantry are indeed capable of accurately engaging the enemy at such a distance. Consider that modern "effective distances" are not measured under stress and infantrymen are often much less accurate than their weapons. Having assistive sights and thermals would likely help that very much.

2. Well, for one they are using extremely powerful thermal optics to search out the enemy in an area where they only have so manyu places where they can observe friendly forces from. Additionally, the commander's optics system has a computer that can identify partial and full silhouettes of humans and various alien species and also recognize whether they are holding a weapon. This can allow marking of hostiles and direct display on tactical information systems for enemy force tracking by line of sight. Each of the vehicles also has a computer somewhat like the FBCB2 BFT system, which can display an overhead view of the AO with friendly, enemy and neutral markers alongside objectives, orders and routes.

[Mozria]

Am I the only one who finds it irritating when you're looking at an RP, and the first response is someone sending entire CBGs and infantry divisions? Worse still, when everyone jumps the bandwagon, or tries to out do the silly bastard.

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Legit infantry question, though. What kind of disadvantages would I be facing by having the section commander pull double duty as the section's vehicle commander as well? Would there be any advantages? Would these change with a mounted IC compared to a dismounted IC?

Have separate crews and squads.

Yep. Crew can operate and command vehicle on its own, but squad leader (who dismounts with infantry) can also command vehicle for fire support, pickup, etc. and has a form of synergy with vehicle commander while mounted.

[Purpelia]

Here is an idea. What if I had each squad consist only of the dismounts and than had all the vehicles directly subordnate to the platoon commander? The idea being that the platoon acts as one maneuver element with the platoon commander leading an armored charge.

[Immoren]

Dismounted demiplatoon (infantry) lead by PL
Mounted demiplatoon (IFVs+APC) led by 2iC.
This is how platoon I served in was roughly organized.

[Mozria]

Here is an idea. What if I had each squad consist only of the dismounts and than had all the vehicles directly subordnate to the platoon commander? The idea being that the platoon acts as one maneuver element with the platoon commander leading an armored charge.

Platoon sergeant commands vehicles from his spot as commander on HQ vehicle, while Platoon leader dismounts from HQ vehicle to command platoon's infantry. That's how Bradley platoons operate.

[Basphere]

Is 160 men good for line companies?

[Crookfur]

Is 160 men good for line companies?

Its a bit on the big side, but it really depends how many comapnys you have in your battalion/regiment as well as what era you are talking about (line company applies flintlock/napoleonic) and how said company is made up.

[Spirit of Hope]

With my new found officer powers (thank you Korva), I have set up an event for tomorrow at 2 p.m. EST. Which would hopefully consist of us playing RO2 for those interested. In the future I'll try and set up events with more time before hand, and talking to people to find out when is a good time. Hope I see some of you tomorrow.

[EsToVnIa]

What's the usual standard issued optic magnification? 3.4x?

[Schwere Panzer Abteilung 502]

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I would actually like to join in, but I don't have RO2 nor do I have a mic. :< I generally only play Rome II these days anyway.

[Husseinarti]

With my new found officer powers (thank you Korva), I have set up an event for tomorrow at 2 p.m. EST. Which would hopefully consist of us playing RO2 for those interested. In the future I'll try and set up events with more time before hand, and talking to people to find out when is a good time. Hope I see some of you tomorrow.

I would actually like to join in, but I don't have RO2 nor do I have a mic. :< I generally only play Rome II these days anyway.

ave

<3

[Husseinarti]

What's the usual standard issued optic magnification? 3.4x?

3.4x to 4x

[Aqizithiuda]

With my new found officer powers (thank you Korva), I have set up an event for tomorrow at 2 p.m. EST. Which would hopefully consist of us playing RO2 for those interested. In the future I'll try and set up events with more time before hand, and talking to people to find out when is a good time. Hope I see some of you tomorrow.

I won't be joining, since tomorrow is a work day and I like my sleep.

With my new found officer powers (thank you Korva), I have set up an event for tomorrow at 2 p.m. EST. Which would hopefully consist of us playing RO2 for those interested. In the future I'll try and set up events with more time before hand, and talking to people to find out when is a good time. Hope I see some of you tomorrow.

I would actually like to join in, but I don't have RO2 nor do I have a mic. :< I generally only play Rome II these days anyway.

You don't need a mic, I really only use mine to mutter to myself. Just snag a copy of RO2 and join in on the fun!

[Fordorsia]

Rome II

what a pleb

[Husseinarti]

With my new found officer powers (thank you Korva), I have set up an event for tomorrow at 2 p.m. EST. Which would hopefully consist of us playing RO2 for those interested. In the future I'll try and set up events with more time before hand, and talking to people to find out when is a good time. Hope I see some of you tomorrow.

I won't be joining, since tomorrow is a work day and I like my sleep.

I would actually like to join in, but I don't have RO2 nor do I have a mic. :< I generally only play Rome II these days anyway.

You don't need a mic, I really only use mine to mutter to myself. Just snag a copy of RO2 and join in on the fun!

I mean I'll also meet me.

And you want to meet me.

Honest.

[Fordorsia]

no one but me in the ts gg losers I have it all to myself