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How does your nation deal with the subpar?

Let their betters use them as property
8
11%
Tie them to the land so they may avoid the devil's workshop, idle hands
2
3%
Let the Invisible Hand of the free market sort them out
9
12%
Fool them into thinking they are not subpar by waving around red flags and hammer-sickle symbols, so that they may toil harder for the state
6
8%
A long-term solution to the problem such as Eugenics
11
15%
Bribe them with a strong war-oriented economy while keeping them distracted by aggressive foreign policy, throwing them into the meat grinder before they make trouble
8
11%
We believe in myths such as equality, so we watch dumbfounded as hard-workers are leeched, the streets become unsafe, and the prisons fill to the brim with human waste
5
7%
The subpar are a strong faction that have taken over this nation, and are now leading it, creating a strong "safety net" at the expense of hard working citizens
7
9%
Create a celebrity culture to distract them from politics
2
3%
Other (please explain)
16
22%
 
Total votes : 74

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Blorbs
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Posts: 1333
Founded: Jul 09, 2013
Ex-Nation

Postby Blorbs » Sat Nov 21, 2015 10:25 pm

Welfare, rehabilitation, or prison, depending on how subpar they happen to be.
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Victorious Decepticons
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Founded: Sep 15, 2008
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Postby Victorious Decepticons » Sat Nov 21, 2015 10:33 pm

Fadilastadt wrote:It is an immutable law of statistics that for every population, half will be below average. There is always the danger that this subpar half of the bell curve will leech off the hard working strivers in the other half. How does your nation deal with it?

In Fadilastadt, we Let their betters use them as property, as it is the only thing they are fit for.

Oh, but it is NOT an "immutable law" of statistics that half of every population will be below average.

We produce humans in cloning centers. Every individual thus produced is exactly the same from a physical standpoint. Our slave education centers ensure that they all meet the quality standards set for personality and productivity, as well. Very few - as in, a tenth of one percent - of subjects will fail to mature to the set standards.

How does your nation deal with subpar humans?

Human livestock that do not meet our designated standard are sent to biological rendering. There, they are ground up and turned into fertilizer cakes.

Of course, compared to Decepticons, ALL humans are subpar. However, we rate our livestock according to standards set for its species.

As for subpar people - Decepticons being the only beings worthy of the term - we have a number of ways of discouraging them from allowing themselves to fall into weakness or obsolescence:

1. There is a strict set of minimum specifications for the building of new Decepticons, both in terms of physical standards and coding. All coders (parents) must build their offspring to meet or exceed these specs. It is considered treason to build or activate an offspring that is below spec, and the punishment is death. After the execution of a bad coder, the offspring is upgraded by the State.

2. When a Decepticon is conscripted, which happens every few years, the military will bring him up to the latest standard-level military-grade specs if he has fallen behind in between his military stints.

3. If someone becomes notably weak in between terms, people will try to overpower him and sell him to a foundry as scrap!

4. Those who become notably stupid will be mercilessly conned out of all they own.

5. Anyone who seems to be insane will be taken to the Debugging Center, which will do exactly what its name implies. This is done mainly to prevent insanity-fuelled violence, but it also keeps people's code in overall good running order.

All of these things, especially those that can result in severe loss or death, motivate Decepticons to keep themselves as upgraded as possible at all times. Those who fall behind a little bit often manage to live and keep their belongings, but the bottom 5-10% or so are very likely to end up in a smelting pit sooner rather than later.

We will note that, unlike humans, our lowest populational percentile does not include the equivalent of those who came with birth defects, either physical or mental. Such builds would never be activated until the errors were completely repaired. This makes it so that our idea of "average" is not skewed by the presence of highly defective individuals.

Also, since we can fix almost every error and are capable of upgrading ourselves pretty much on demand, we generally have no sympathy for defectives or those who allow wear-related damage to accumulate. To us, it's even more unfathomable and unrelatable as a human who refuses medical care for an illness that is easily cured but will be fatal if left untreated.

Those Who are Subpar at Economic Success

We encourage broke people to go raid until they finally make a big score. If they're terrible at raiding, they can always get a job. Employment is considered highly undignified and beneath the station of a proper Decepticon (who should make his money by raiding oil, running scams, or at least running his own business), but because of this cultural attitude, there are always plenty of lower middle class level jobs available for those who must resort to them.

Those Who Just Suck at Everything

The saying is: "The foundry will make a proper Decepticon out of him."

Those who are no good at raiding, conning, self-employment, hooliganism, or regular employment basically have no way to obtain any money. They will inevitably accumulate damage and/or fall into obsolescence to the point that they can be overpowered by Scroungers, who specifically hunt such people as prey. Once captured, they will be sold off to a foundry as scrap.
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Estainia
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Founded: Jul 03, 2009
Corrupt Dictatorship

Postby Estainia » Sat Nov 21, 2015 10:42 pm

We kill the peoples who believe in the notion of 'subpar' humans, fairly simple really.
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Numoland
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Founded: Feb 16, 2014
Ex-Nation

Postby Numoland » Sat Nov 21, 2015 11:01 pm

Gandoor wrote:We laugh at the concept of there being "subpar humans", we treat all people in this nation equally. We have extensive welfare programs for those that fall on hard times to assist them.

This.
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Dahon
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Founded: Nov 11, 2015
Ex-Nation

Postby Dahon » Sat Nov 21, 2015 11:05 pm

While the queendom of Dahon considers all those (inevitably human) living within its territory to be subjects of the three kami, it does not consider any one subject "subpar".
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Nortainland
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Founded: Jun 06, 2015
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Postby Nortainland » Sat Nov 21, 2015 11:09 pm

As idleness is illegal in Nortainland, all 'subpar' humans who haven't an occupation are put to work by building bridges, roads, railways, buildings &c. Others may also offer to take in people as apprentices. The end goal is to make sure everyone is contributing to society.

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Scharrath
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Posts: 160
Founded: Nov 07, 2010
Ex-Nation

Postby Scharrath » Sat Nov 21, 2015 11:18 pm

They tend to become enslaved, sacrificed to our serpent gods, die under mysterious circumstances or simply disappear mysteriously at a much higher rate than the general populous, though a rare few manage to make it as beggars or the occasional merchant.

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Gim
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Founded: Jul 29, 2015
Ex-Nation

Postby Gim » Sun Nov 22, 2015 12:32 am

We have jobs and tax cuts for them.
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Chinese Peoples
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Posts: 2666
Founded: Dec 28, 2013
Ex-Nation

Postby Chinese Peoples » Sun Nov 22, 2015 2:29 am

Fadilastadt wrote:It is an immutable law of statistics that for every population, half will be below average. There is always the danger that this subpar half of the bell curve will leech off the hard working strivers in the other half. How does your nation deal with it?

In Fadilastadt, we Let their betters use them as property, as it is the only thing they are fit for.

This is the purpose of the state. We want and work towards a world where, above par or sub par, a citizen will be in plenty.

It is written into our very national anthem, that it is a duty of the better off to assist the worse off.
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Shaggtopia
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Founded: Dec 22, 2014
Ex-Nation

Postby Shaggtopia » Sun Nov 22, 2015 2:37 am

There is an extensive welfare net, paid for by all accessible to all, so mammoth is it that the entirity of the population rises and falls as one, therefore it is in the best interest of those pillars of society to train, educate, employ, and otherwise utilize the strengths of the so called subpar as their failure ultimately dooms the whole.
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The Phoenician League
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Posts: 12
Founded: Nov 22, 2015
Ex-Nation

Postby The Phoenician League » Sun Nov 22, 2015 2:39 am

The Phoenician League wrote:Human sacrifice of newborn children (specifically, those with birth defects and congenital diseases) to the fertility goddess, Tanit, was widespread since the founding of the first Phoenician city of Tyre in 0 AFT all the way to the Enlightenment in 4370 AFT (1620 AD). After this, the practice gradually tapered off until it was officially banned in 4550 AFT (1800 AD), by which time nobody practiced it.

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Tavtoria
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Posts: 6
Founded: Nov 21, 2015
Ex-Nation

Postby Tavtoria » Sun Nov 22, 2015 2:41 am

Believing in the notion of Subpar Humans Is very very small and only one seat in the entire Federal Government actually believes in that notion.

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The Novakian Empire
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Posts: 2019
Founded: Jan 15, 2015
Democratic Socialists

Postby The Novakian Empire » Sun Nov 22, 2015 2:43 am

Well,we're actually rather confused by the question..
however,after figuring out what the question was..
The imperial state of novakia has had a active interest in eugenics for a while now.
Not that they'd ever been implemented,as that would be utterly insane and violate more than one WA general assembly resolution,and novakia has no interest in becoming a international pariah.
Still. Would be nice to not have to deal with people we don't like by making it close to impossible for them to ever be born.
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Zaharran
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Founded: Nov 21, 2015
Ex-Nation

Postby Zaharran » Sun Nov 22, 2015 3:30 am

Estainia wrote:We kill the peoples who believe in the notion of 'subpar' humans, fairly simple really.

^ This, obviously.
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Isla Gazebo
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Posts: 113
Founded: May 28, 2014
Ex-Nation

Postby Isla Gazebo » Sun Nov 22, 2015 10:48 am

No person is considered inferior in Isla Gazebó.
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McCatsonia
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Posts: 215
Founded: Jan 02, 2014
Ex-Nation

Subpar humans

Postby McCatsonia » Sun Nov 22, 2015 11:13 am

We provide for them to live a mostly comfortable life but make sure they do not reproduce. The incompetent, lazy, stupid, criminal or otherwise undesirably simply don't make enough to support breeding, so once they have lived their lives they are no longer a problem. Natural selection at its finest.
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Xekliv
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Founded: May 12, 2011
Ex-Nation

Postby Xekliv » Sun Nov 22, 2015 1:38 pm

We are scared of humans, so we don't really want to make them angry by calling them 'subpar.'

Also, this is the single most biased poll I have ever seen, so much so that I'm having a hard time believing it isn't satire.
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Valkalan
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Founded: Jun 26, 2009
Capitalist Paradise

Postby Valkalan » Sun Nov 22, 2015 1:47 pm

Leaders are few and followers are legion. The market will separate fools from their capital, and will pass that capital on to our more industrious citizens.
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Grand Britannia
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Founded: Apr 15, 2012
Capitalizt

Postby Grand Britannia » Sun Nov 22, 2015 5:15 pm

Eugenics is the simpler method.
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Arcturus Novus
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Founded: Dec 03, 2011
Left-wing Utopia

Postby Arcturus Novus » Sun Nov 22, 2015 5:21 pm

"Subpar" humans do not exist in the legal code of the Arcturan Empire, but those who cannot work to the extent of their peers are given appropriate healthcare and other amenities by the government.
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Korhalian Dominion
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Founded: Nov 21, 2015
Ex-Nation

Postby Korhalian Dominion » Sun Nov 22, 2015 6:14 pm

The Dominion treats everyone as equals and disregards the term 'sub-par humans'.
However, free market mechanism automatically sort them out in the process.
Moreover, active military recruiters also encourage them to join the military.

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Zhouran
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Ex-Nation

Postby Zhouran » Sun Nov 22, 2015 6:45 pm

Estainia wrote:We kill the peoples who believe in the notion of 'subpar' humans, fairly simple really.

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