Infantry Discussion Thread, Mk. 8 Mod. 0 [No Kaiju]

[Aqizithiuda]

So uuh, is it possible to mix Hoplite and Legionary type infantry to one type of soldier,and put their formation beside and in front of pikemen formation to defend said pike?

You may need to explain further, because right now it seems like you want to combine the roles of legionnary and pikeman into one, but you also want separate units mixed in with them.

[Crookfur]

So uuh, is it possible to mix Hoplite and Legionary type infantry to one type of soldier,and put their formation beside and in front of pikemen formation to defend said pike?

You may need to explain further, because right now it seems like you want to combine the roles of legionnary and pikeman into one, but you also want separate units mixed in with them.

I think he might just mean a legionary but with a hop lite shield or something.

Honestly I don't really see the point in putting heavy shield bearer in infantry in front of pikemen, that just reduces the range and punch of the pikes. Sheltering under the pike cover is fine if you have missile troops who need to escape cavalry (ala tercios) but I really din't see the heavy inf adding anything here. If a missile threat is that concerning just give the pike men shields ala hoplites.

[Fordorsia]

Having a regular legionary but with a hoplon and a pike maybe?

Whatever he means, it's probably not possible. The roles of pikemen and legionaries are too different and putting infantry in front of pikes to protect them makes no sense.

[Theodosiya]

Nein nein nein. I mean a soldier armed with dory type spear,a medium to long one handed sword (slash and stab,not stab)or mace or axe(depends on the soldier preference and capability),several darts and a big square scutum that could be strapped. Armored with combination of segmentata or single solid steel plate over chainmail over padding,greaves, gauntlet and Imperial Gallic helmet. Pikemen got strapped hoplon, pike between 4-6/7m,personal weapon of choice(same with above). Armored with modified linothorax (combination of leather and linen overall torso protection,plus single solid steel plate for upper torso and steel scale for lower torso) and chalcidian or corinthian helmet.

[Fordorsia]

Nein nein nein. I mean a soldier armed with dory type spear,a medium to long one handed sword (slash and stab,not stab)or mace or axe(depends on the soldier preference and capability),several darts and a big square scutum that could be strapped. Armored with combination of segmentata or solid steel plate over chainmail over padding,greaves, gauntlet and Imperial Gallic helmet. Pikemen got strapped hoplon, pike between 4-6/7m,personal weapon of choice(same with above). Armored with modified linothorax (combination of leather and linen overall torso protection,plus steel plate for upper torso and steel scale for lower torso) and chalcidian or corinthian helmet

I just don't understand why you would want to give them a spear when the tactics and fighting style of legionaries were made to be used with the gladius. And if you mean strapped as in strapped to the arm like a hoplon, you can't do that to a scutum because of it being curved.

No one wore steel plate over chainmail over padding, especially not in antiquity, and nor did gauntlests exist in antiquity.

This mix simply doesn't make sense. You're taking equipment from lots of different palces and time periods and throwing them together.

[Theodosiya]

Nein nein nein. I mean a soldier armed with dory type spear,a medium to long one handed sword (slash and stab,not stab)or mace or axe(depends on the soldier preference and capability),several darts and a big square scutum that could be strapped. Armored with combination of segmentata or solid steel plate over chainmail over padding,greaves, gauntlet and Imperial Gallic helmet. Pikemen got strapped hoplon, pike between 4-6/7m,personal weapon of choice(same with above). Armored with modified linothorax (combination of leather and linen overall torso protection,plus steel plate for upper torso and steel scale for lower torso) and chalcidian or corinthian helmet

I just don't understand why you would want to give them a spear when the tactics and fighting style of legionaries were made to be used with the gladius. And if you mean strapped as in strapped to the arm like a hoplon, you can't do that to a scutum because of it being curved.

No one wore steel plate over chainmail over padding, especially not in antiquity, and nor did gauntlests exist in antiquity.

This mix simply doesn't make sense. You're taking equipment from lots of different palces and time periods and throwing them together.

Who says that it's Roman era? It's only theoretical. And i'd replace gauntlet with manica.

[Fordorsia]

I just don't understand why you would want to give them a spear when the tactics and fighting style of legionaries were made to be used with the gladius. And if you mean strapped as in strapped to the arm like a hoplon, you can't do that to a scutum because of it being curved.

No one wore steel plate over chainmail over padding, especially not in antiquity, and nor did gauntlests exist in antiquity.

This mix simply doesn't make sense. You're taking equipment from lots of different palces and time periods and throwing them together.

Who says that it's Roman era?

You did

So uuh, is it possible to mix Hoplite and Legionary type infantry to one type of soldier,and put their formation beside and in front of pikemen formation to defend said pike?

[Theodosiya]

Who says that it's Roman era?

You did

So uuh, is it possible to mix Hoplite and Legionary type infantry to one type of soldier,and put their formation beside and in front of pikemen formation to defend said pike?

Only the type,not the era.

[Fordorsia]

You did

Only the type,not the era.

There is no legionary "type" unless you're specifically talking about your soldiers being copies of Roman legionaries. You want a scutum, segmentata, an Imperial Gallic helmet, a manica, and plumbata, but it's not Roman...

But what you're saying about it not being Roman era (whatever that means), the equipment list is still all over the place in terms of where the pieces are from and from what time period. You want most of it to be Roman, but then you want to use the chalcidian that was a development of the corinthian, but you also want to use the corinthian. Then you want to use linothorax for some reason even though it's completely inferior to segmentata, which you're using, and was used in a completely different culture and style of warfare.

[Nirvash Type TheEND]

Typical Forduckan infanteer circa 1400.

[Yukonastan]

Issue my border guards dog collars and lay one of those invisible fence things along the border, to prevent accidental drunken border excursions?

[Khornatenreich]

No?

[Yukonastan]

Explain why I shouldn't?

[Khornatenreich]

No

[EsToVnIa]

werewolves should be smart enough to not go across the border tbh

[Nirvash Type TheEND]

If they aren't I'm sure the Yharnam hunters will be happy to lend a hand.

[Purpelia]

No one wore steel plate over chainmail over padding, especially not in antiquity, and nor did gauntlests exist in antiquity.

That is in fact not true. Not at all. The sort of fully encompassing suit of plate that covers the entire body did not really enter wide circulation until the late middle ages. And even than it was newer the norm for most troops. So for most of the period people did in fact wear chainmail in combination with plate both in the form of individual sleeves, leggings etc. attached to the plate armor and full on chain hauberk worn under a plate cuirass. In fact, for a very long period the cuirass it self was not fully encompassing and only covered the front. So you would wear a hauberk under your plate and that would be your back protection.

[Allanea]

Wandering across a border isn't really such a bigproblem unless you're almost in a state of war or something. Nobody is going to start a war based on "ha, your soldier put one foot across the border, ARMORED ASSAULT NOW",and if they do, they were probably planning to do so anyway.

[Nirvash Type TheEND]

Wandering across a border isn't really such a bigproblem unless you're almost in a state of war or something. Nobody is going to start a war based on "ha, your soldier put one foot across the border, ARMORED ASSAULT NOW",and if they do, they were probably planning to do so anyway. your typical II poster.

[Fordorsia]

No one wore steel plate over chainmail over padding, especially not in antiquity, and nor did gauntlests exist in antiquity.

That is in fact not true. Not at all. The sort of fully encompassing suit of plate that covers the entire body did not really enter wide circulation until the late middle ages. And even than it was newer the norm for most troops. So for most of the period people did in fact wear chainmail in combination with plate both in the form of individual sleeves, leggings etc. attached to the plate armor and full on chain hauberk worn under a plate cuirass. In fact, for a very long period the cuirass it self was not fully encompassing and only covered the front. So you would wear a hauberk under your plate and that would be your back protection.

I'm pretty sure he's talking in terms of a full cuirass with mail underneath it, which was never done, and for reasons which should be obvious. I'd love a source if you think otherwise, because wearing mail under a full cuirass makes no sense.

[Khornatenreich]

Those men of Mycenae' sure had some crazy plate suits, the horned helmets are hilarious though.

[Nirvash Type TheEND]

Jesus look at his thighs.

[Puzikas]

The Husqvarna Kasapist (Kalspurvta Salshina Pisolet, Automatic Machine Pistol)

Hey I had more ideas and changed things.


The Husqvarna Kasapist (Kalspurvta Salshina Pisolet, Automatic Machine Pistol) was developed at the request of the Dnieguan Army for an Offensive Handgun System (OHW). The OHW project tendered results from three Companies besides Husqvarna, though only examples of Husqvarnas pistol remain.

The OHW project stipulated a capacity of at least 14 rounds with one additional in the chamber, an effective range of at least 70 meters, a threaded barrel and a mass of no more than 1.6 kilograms loaded. The system was to be equipped with a supressor and muzzle compensator, and should not have a mass greater than 3.5 kilograms when "fully configured". From the beginning the program suffered budgeting issues and poor resource management; reasons included general opinion against the role of an "offensive" handgun, and by and large a case against handguns all together. The project begrudgingly pushed forward.

Husqvarnas submission was unique in that it used a non-conventional blowback method, in which the bolt of the pistol began to move after the slide and barrel had already begun moving to the rear.*

Only remaining version with a mated suppressor, recovered from the body of an RkFyt m/56F Helicopter pilot in 1973; the camouflage pattern applied appears to be a very faded version of (German WWII Hinterhalt-Tarnung).

The Kaspist mounted a custom made 100mm long, 18mm dia suppressor with a unit weight of 475 grams, reducing the sound signature of their Kasapist machine pistol by 26 dbs. While not as significant as their competitors, who all managed to reduced sound levels by 28 dbs or more; these suppressors, however, were significantly larger and heavier.

Husqvarnas Machine Pistol outshone the competition, who had all submitted full sized semi-automatic handguns. The high rate of fire and large capacity was attractive, and ability to fire accurately and rapidly on targets at distances similar to that of Submachineguns was highly desirable, leading to the pistols eventual begrudging adoption. It came and went from service in just short of 15 years. While field reports of its combat ability were excellent, the mechanical complexity, cost and size made it far more economical to simply use Submachineguns or Carbines.



*You might note this is a lazy description of the AN-94s action. It kind of uses a similar action. Kind of. Hence the unusual choice of bolt and slide and hammer combination.

I hate this thing so much. Why would you put the idea in my head.

[Khornatenreich]

Jesus look at his thighs.

Philawergos never skipped leg day. Can you say the same?

[Nirvash Type TheEND]

Jesus look at his thighs.

Philawergos never skipped leg day. Can you say the same?

I am too close to being b& to go around posting saucy thigh pics.