Infantry Discussion Thread, Mk. 8 Mod. 0 [No Kaiju]

[Purpelia]

Yea but like experience < education. Everyone knows that an university graduate should be paid more on his first day than a non graduate should be on the day he retires after decades of service.

All my NCOs have BBAs* and senior NCOs have MBAs**, so they too are university degree holders. *nods*
*Bachelor of Battle Administration
**Master of Battle Administration

Oh, that's ok than.

[The Manticoran Empire]

Makes the rough and tumble life of a soldier a little more appealing.

let me be a bit more direct

your 2lt makes as much as a US Army Lieutenant General with 20 years of experience

your major makes as much as the Chairman of the Joint Chiefs

your general makes as much as the president of the usa

Well if I did it my way, a Private, E-1, would make more than a US Congressman.

[EsToVnIa]

your way is pretty dumb

edit: to clarify, some kid that was too dumb to get into university shouldn't be making more than a politician.

[Husseinarti]

let me be a bit more direct

your 2lt makes as much as a US Army Lieutenant General with 20 years of experience

your major makes as much as the Chairman of the Joint Chiefs

your general makes as much as the president of the usa

Well if I did it my way, a Private, E-1, would make more than a US Congressman.

Thats dumb as fuck.

Because you get a bunch of shitheads joining just to make money.

[Gallia-]

let me be a bit more direct

your 2lt makes as much as a US Army Lieutenant General with 20 years of experience

your major makes as much as the Chairman of the Joint Chiefs

your general makes as much as the president of the usa

Well if I did it my way, a Private, E-1, would make more than a US Congressman.

how do you afford to pay them

soldiers contribute little to nothing to the economy since they are a public good and part of the Parasite Class of govt bureaucracy

a necessary class of course, societies charge the Parasite Class to run, direct, and defend them, but they do not contribute to the further growth of the society economically which is why they are the Parasite Class

where does all the money come from?

you have no incentive to go do anything else besides join the army with that insane amount of money

the military shouldnt be incentivized in that manner, it attracts people who would be better suited to working in private industry and creating wealth so you can actually afford your army

i mean yeah everyone wanks a bit but this is silly

[Purpelia]

how do you afford to pay them

soldiers contribute little to nothing to the economy since they are a public good and part of the Parasite Class of govt bureaucracy

a necessary class of course, societies charge the Parasite Class to run, direct, and defend them, but they do not contribute to the further growth of the society economically which is why they are the Parasite Class

Of course they contribute. They conquer new lands resources and slaves.

[Gallia-]

how do you afford to pay them

soldiers contribute little to nothing to the economy since they are a public good and part of the Parasite Class of govt bureaucracy

a necessary class of course, societies charge the Parasite Class to run, direct, and defend them, but they do not contribute to the further growth of the society economically which is why they are the Parasite Class

Of course they contribute. They conquer new lands resources and slaves.

kleptocracy killed rome because it was a stupid backwards state that couldnt figure out basic trade and just drained wealth back to italy

carthage the real mvp

[EsToVnIa]

but persia D:

[Gallia-]

i wait with bated breath until CENTO/NATO cooperative reforges the neo-persian empire by flattening riyadh

so close yet so far

jordan/israeli/iranian/kurdish(???) mega middle east the greatest harmony society

[The Manticoran Empire]

Well if I did it my way, a Private, E-1, would make more than a US Congressman.

how do you afford to pay them

soldiers contribute little to nothing to the economy since they are a public good and part of the Parasite Class of govt bureaucracy

a necessary class of course, societies charge the Parasite Class to run, direct, and defend them, but they do not contribute to the further growth of the society economically which is why they are the Parasite Class

where does all the money come from?

you have no incentive to go do anything else besides join the army with that insane amount of money

the military shouldnt be incentivized in that manner, it attracts people who would be better suited to working in private industry and creating wealth so you can actually afford your army

i mean yeah everyone wanks a bit but this is silly

My military is in two portions: Regular/Reserve, which is roughly 30 million, and Militia, made up of unemployed citizens (80 million). I have a work force of roughly 200 million so my economy suffers little.

[Immoren]

What if you tie paygrade into job rather than rank( but adjust for in service age). So that two soldiers would be paid for example, same squad leader's salary, instead of sergeant's and and staff sergeant's salary.
I guess this sort of tiering matters less in the militaries where jobs and ranks are tied more tightly, but is more sensible, where relation of job and rank can be more flexible.
Or something.

[EsToVnIa]

how do you afford to pay them

soldiers contribute little to nothing to the economy since they are a public good and part of the Parasite Class of govt bureaucracy

a necessary class of course, societies charge the Parasite Class to run, direct, and defend them, but they do not contribute to the further growth of the society economically which is why they are the Parasite Class

where does all the money come from?

you have no incentive to go do anything else besides join the army with that insane amount of money

the military shouldnt be incentivized in that manner, it attracts people who would be better suited to working in private industry and creating wealth so you can actually afford your army

i mean yeah everyone wanks a bit but this is silly

My military is in two portions: Regular/Reserve, which is roughly 30 million, and Militia, made up of unemployed citizens (80 million). I have a work force of roughly 200 million so my economy suffers little.

if only this was how it worked

[Gallia-]

What if you tie paygrade into job rather than rank( but adjust for in service age). So that two soldiers would be paid for example, same squad leader's salary, instead of sergeant's and and staff sergeant's salary.
I guess this sort of tiering matters less in the militaries where jobs and ranks are tied more tightly, but is more sensible, where relation of job and rank can be more flexible.
Or something.

i think this is practiced unironically to a smaller extent

at least some billets in the usmc have what is called "Special Duty Assignment" that has a separate payscale from the basic pay [rank and time-in-service/grade]

pay based on education/courses and leadership position would incentivize small unit leaders to pursue further CE h/e so it may not be terrible at all but i dont know to what extent 'murica does this

how do you afford to pay them

soldiers contribute little to nothing to the economy since they are a public good and part of the Parasite Class of govt bureaucracy

a necessary class of course, societies charge the Parasite Class to run, direct, and defend them, but they do not contribute to the further growth of the society economically which is why they are the Parasite Class

where does all the money come from?

you have no incentive to go do anything else besides join the army with that insane amount of money

the military shouldnt be incentivized in that manner, it attracts people who would be better suited to working in private industry and creating wealth so you can actually afford your army

i mean yeah everyone wanks a bit but this is silly

My military is in two portions: Regular/Reserve, which is roughly 30 million, and Militia, made up of unemployed citizens (80 million). I have a work force of roughly 200 million so my economy suffers little.

you have a military that is more than half the size of your workforce

unless you are north korea it's not going to work

this is why specific numbers about these things are bad

[Arkandros]

What if you tie paygrade into job rather than rank( but adjust for in service age). So that two soldiers would be paid for example, same squad leader's salary, instead of sergeant's and and staff sergeant's salary.
I guess this sort of tiering matters less in the militaries where jobs and ranks are tied more tightly, but is more sensible, where relation of job and rank can be more flexible.
Or something.

In the US, this is usually done through bonus/incentive pay. Special duty pay, hazard pay, combat pay, sub pay, things like that. Because of this, an E-2 might make as much or more than an E-3.

[Puzikas]

how do you afford to pay them

>Be O-1
>Drive to base every day in my new Mercedes
>Walk into base, no one salutes me
>I knew the risks when I got my degree in 16th century Vietnamese literature and went Army
>Report to duty to the Battalion command
>He flashes a smile to the rest of us, revealing his solid gold teeth
>Informs us the NDAA cleared at an all time high of 78.9% Budget
>Extra 12K a year
>Call my wife, a WO-2
>tfw we spend it all on Amazon the same night, which is delivered later by Airforce MATCOM, broken and late
>tfw delivered by a lowley E4 making a measly $66k/year
>tfw I jhave to watch him drive off in a 2 year old Mercedes
>Call Department of the Army-Materials and Acquisition Distribution Command Ft. Amazon Seattle
>Put on hold for three days
>But im an officer! with Prime membership!

[Allanea]

My military is in two portions: Regular/Reserve, which is roughly 30 million, and Militia, made up of unemployed citizens (80 million). I have a work force of roughly 200 million so my economy suffers little.

If 80 million out of your 200 million workforce are unemployed, something is horribly wrong.

[Dostanuot Loj]

Well, that's interesting.

A Canadian Army Corporal with 10 years of experience only makes $5186 a month.

The current Canadian top officer in NORAD makes less then a Manticoran Chief Warrant Officer.

[Gallia-]

how do you afford to pay them

>Be O-1
>Drive to base every day in my new Mercedes
>Walk into base, no one salutes me
>I knew the risks when I got my degree in 16th century Vietnamese literature and went Army
>Report to duty to the Battalion command
>He flashes a smile to the rest of us, revealing his solid gold teeth
>Informs us the NDAA cleared at an all time high of 78.9% Budget
>Extra 12K a year
>Call my wife, a WO-2
>tfw we spend it all on Amazon the same night, which is delivered later by Airforce MATCOM, broken and late
>tfw delivered by a lowley E4 making a measly $66k/year
>tfw I jhave to watch him drive off in a 2 year old Mercedes
>Call Department of the Army-Materials and Acquisition Distribution Command Ft. Amazon Seattle
>Put on hold for three days
>But im an officer! with Prime membership!

>be O-1
>sprain my ankle
>pay for medical bills
>out of pocket

[Arcturus Novus]

So I'm thinking of outfitting my PMT infantry with type III armor based on this scale. Thoughts?

[Transvaal Vrystaat]

So I'm thinking of outfitting my PMT infantry with type III armor based on this scale. Thoughts?

Unless you're planning to fight COIN operations, I really don't see the need for anything but basic shrapnel protection.

[Puzikas]

So I'm thinking of outfitting my PMT infantry with type III armor based on this scale. Thoughts?

Most are already outfitted with at least NIJ IIIA.

[Crookfur]

So I'm thinking of outfitting my PMT infantry with type III armor based on this scale. Thoughts?

It depends on what sort of coverage you want. Current vests provide iiia over pretty much the whole torso, neck, shoulders, arse and groin or at least can with all the modules installed. These vests also offer protection in excess of level iv over the chest and back through additional hard plates.

Sets that provide full body iiia cover do exist but they are very bulky, heavy and non breathable so are extra super duper hit to wear.

If you are wanting extended III cover the biggest issue is for that level you need hard plates which makes things very tricky.

[Fordorsia]

How many of you knew about this lovely little thing?

[Purpelia]

Why is it that FT powered armor always seems to be based on 12th and 13th century stuff with loads of gaps and lightly covered patches as opposed to say the Maximilian style or any of the other fully 100% enclosed suits? Surely if you have magical power armor you can afford to lug the extra weight around.

[Fordorsia]

Why is it that FT powered armor always seems to be based on 12th and 13th century stuff with loads of gaps and lightly covered patches as opposed to say the Maximilian style or any of the other fully 100% enclosed suits? Surely if you have magical power armor you can afford to lug the extra weight around.

Power armour is thick. Maxamillian armour is possible because the steel is thin.