NS Military Realism Consultancy Thread Mark IX Spitfire

[Spirit of Hope]

For what purpose? The MBT's main gun is going to be better in just about every way.

For... For anti aircraft and anti infantry capability?

For aircraft you would want a different turret than the tank has, and would have no need for the MBT's armor. You can certainly make a short range air defense vehicle using a chaingun, though that shouldn't be its only armament.

For infantry bigger explosives suppress better than just bullets. So a 120mm gun can do a lot of suppression and destruction than a chain gun could. Plus the tank should have a couple of machine guns on it for engaging infantry if the main gun doesn't work for some reason. Plus it is more versatile.

[The Akasha Colony]

For what purpose? The MBT's main gun is going to be better in just about every way.

For... For anti aircraft and anti infantry capability?

You can already do that with the tank's regular gun and its coaxial machine gun.

[North Arkana]

For what purpose? The MBT's main gun is going to be better in just about every way.

For... For anti aircraft and anti infantry capability?

That's what canister rounds filled with tungsten cubes are for.

[Allanea]

I think the closest modern equivalent to what you're talking about is the SS-Dirlewanger brigade, tbh

The USSR also allowed some criminals the choice of being freed from the labor camp if they volunteered for Army service. THey however fought in regular units, and not in special 'penal' units. Similarly, Israel allows some criminals the choice between enlistment and prison

[United Earthlings]

Time to develop a Parthian tank.

If that's what you want to do with your time, I say go for it.

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Anyway, back to some more nobler pursuits for some Q&A time.

Q1: Branching off the topic of Airpower that I've probably been to long focused on, I was wondering what everyone's military uses in regards to MANPADS, SAMs of their ADS & BMD, etc...

Q2: Past-Tech one this time, been slowly working on building a service aircraft history for my Air Force and I was wondering if the pressing requirement for an strategic (intercontinental) bomber didn't exist does it make any realistic sense to skip over the B-47/B-52s jet bombers?

So, it would go B-29/50, B-36, B1, B2. Of course, I wouldn't be completely without a jet bomber as the Avro Vulcan would be in service with the Air Force, just that the Vulcan wouldn't be considered a strategic bomber by my Air Force.

[The Greater Aryan Race]

I think the closest modern equivalent to what you're talking about is the SS-Dirlewanger brigade, tbh

Ah the Dirlewanger. A unit made up of some of the most batshit criminally insane dregs of Nazi German society and renowned for it's acts of crazy, wanton cruelty that it inflicted on innocent civilians and opponents that even members of the Waffen-SS regularly complained to the higher-ups about their butchery.

[Allanea]

God have mercy on your soul when you attempt to tackle his other works like "Colossus Reborn: The Red Army at War, 1941-1943". It is neither a short book, nor easily readable, but well worth the $ should you ever desire to know almost everything possible there is about the Red Army during World War II.

Bonus Points if you get the "Companion to Colossus Reborn: Key Documents and Statistics" with it.

Can't go wrong with Glantz, I've got four of his books logged and properly placed in my personal library.

Once your done with Glantz, then we can move on the related material which itself covers between 6 to 8 books I would recommend.

I have read When Titans Clashed.

[United Earthlings]

I have read When Titans Clashed.

Good book, but between being written before Glantz began to mold Soviet archival records into his works and with the book being more in line as an overall history of the war on the Eastern Front, Colossus Reborn is more...in depth to put it mildly.

Hell, a single chapter found in Colossus Reborn titled Soviet Military Art is almost as long as that $5 kindle book you spoke of earlier.

[Allanea]

Isayev's Red Blitzkrieg is good too.

[Crookfur]

Time to develop a Parthian tank.

If that's what you want to do with your time, I say go for it.

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Anyway, back to some more nobler pursuits for some Q&A time.

Q1: Branching off the topic of Airpower that I've probably been to long focused on, I was wondering what everyone's military uses in regards to MANPADS, SAMs of their ADS & BMD, etc...

Q2: Past-Tech one this time, been slowly working on building a service aircraft history for my Air Force and I was wondering if the pressing requirement for an strategic (intercontinental) bomber didn't exist does it make any realistic sense to skip over the B-47/B-52s jet bombers?

So, it would go B-29/50, B-36, B1, B2. Of course, I wouldn't be completely without a jet bomber as the Avro Vulcan would be in service with the Air Force, just that the Vulcan wouldn't be considered a strategic bomber by my Air Force.

To be honest I really don't see the Vulcan working terribly well for anything but strategic use considering how limited it's conventional capabilites were and the fact that pretty much all of its development was aimed at carrying out a strategic nuclear strike on Russia.

The black buck missions were a terrifyingly ad hoc arrangement.

[Laywenrania]

Q1: Branching off the topic of Airpower that I've probably been to long focused on, I was wondering what everyone's military uses in regards to MANPADS, SAMs of their ADS & BMD, etc...

Q2: Past-Tech one this time, been slowly working on building a service aircraft history for my Air Force and I was wondering if the pressing requirement for an strategic (intercontinental) bomber didn't exist does it make any realistic sense to skip over the B-47/B-52s jet bombers?

So, it would go B-29/50, B-36, B1, B2. Of course, I wouldn't be completely without a jet bomber as the Avro Vulcan would be in service with the Air Force, just that the Vulcan wouldn't be considered a strategic bomber by my Air Force.

1: Igla, S-400/Buk/Tor/Crotale/Tunguska, A-35/A-135 in terms of Ballistic Missile Defense.

2: Why use strategic bomber sif you don't need them?^^

[Empire of Narnia]

Any ideas for a modernized version of War Plan Red? My nation controls both the USA and Canada, so the Canadian invasion part really isn't relevant to my nation but the main part of the plan still is. I imagine neutralizing the UK's nuclear weapons would be very important for us to accomplish our goals.

The end game is to turn the UK into a puppet regime with Ratigan as Lord Protector so a long-term occupation would play a role as well.

[The Akasha Colony]

Any ideas for a modernized version of War Plan Red? My nation controls both the USA and Canada, so the Canadian invasion part really isn't relevant to my nation but the main part of the plan still is. I imagine neutralizing the UK's nuclear weapons would be very important for us to accomplish our goals.

A "modernized" War Plan Red based on the premises given would look nothing like the actual War Plan Red. The entire premise of War Plan Red was to fight a defensive war against the then-superior British military and use Canada as leverage to gain a peace settlement. None of which is relevant to your question.

Q1: Branching off the topic of Airpower that I've probably been to long focused on, I was wondering what everyone's military uses in regards to MANPADS, SAMs of their ADS & BMD, etc...

What amounts to Starstreak for MANPADS like half of NS, a vehicle not unlike Pantsir/Tunguska for vehicle-borne SHORADS, and my own franken-MEADS/S-400 (Tarnhelm) for heavy air defense.

[Empire of Narnia]

It was still a plan for war against the British Empire, so it is still relevant.

[Austria-Bohemia-Hungary]

The end game is to turn the UK int a puppet regime with Ratigan as Lord Protector so a long-term occupation would play a role as well.

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[Empire of Narnia]

The end game is to turn the UK int a puppet regime with Ratigan as Lord Protector so a long-term occupation would play a role as well.

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Oh, I meant into. It was a typo. Sorry.

[Austria-Bohemia-Hungary]

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Oh, I meant into. It was a typo. Sorry.

Wat.
*wants to desperately say this isn't how shit works*

[Empire of Narnia]

Oh, I meant into. It was a typo. Sorry.

Wat.
*wants to desperately say this isn't how shit works*

Please explain. That's what this thread is for after all.

My plan is to make a factbook entry of various colour war plans like the US had, and maybe do a V for Vendetta type of RP where a resistance movement fights against Ratigan's Christian dictatorship in the UK. That's why I'm asking this.

[The Akasha Colony]

It was still a plan for war against the British Empire, so it is still relevant.

Not particularly. War Plan Red was intended to be fought eighty years ago against a British Empire that included Canada by a United States at a military disadvantage in a world where nuclear weapons did not yet exist. None of those premises are true in your scenario. The only thing that holds true is that Britain remains the enemy, but this hardly matters as the strategic situation is so vastly different.

[Empire of Narnia]

It was still a plan for war against the British Empire, so it is still relevant.

Not particularly. War Plan Red was intended to be fought eighty years ago against a British Empire that included Canada by a United States at a military disadvantage in a world where nuclear weapons did not yet exist. None of those premises are true in your scenario. The only thing that holds true is that Britain remains the enemy, but this hardly matters as the strategic situation is so vastly different.

That's why I said a modernized version of it that takes into account the many changes. If the original War Plan Red was still valid I'd just straight up use that and not bother asking how to change it.

[Laywenrania]

Not particularly. War Plan Red was intended to be fought eighty years ago against a British Empire that included Canada by a United States at a military disadvantage in a world where nuclear weapons did not yet exist. None of those premises are true in your scenario. The only thing that holds true is that Britain remains the enemy, but this hardly matters as the strategic situation is so vastly different.

That's why I said a modernized version of it that takes into account the many changes. If the original War Plan Red was still valid I'd just straight up use that and not bother asking how to change it.

As Akasha said, this would not be a "modernized" version, but a completly different plan.

[Austria-Bohemia-Hungary]

Wat.
*wants to desperately say this isn't how shit works*

Please explain. That's what this thread is for after all.

My plan is to make a factbook entry of various colour war plans like the US had, and maybe do a V for Vendetta type of RP where a resistance movement fights against Ratigan's Christian dictatorship in the UK. That's why I'm asking this.

I'm still bending my mind around the Disney thingy...

[Empire of Narnia]

That's why I said a modernized version of it that takes into account the many changes. If the original War Plan Red was still valid I'd just straight up use that and not bother asking how to change it.

As Akasha said, this would not be a "modernized" version, but a completly different plan.

Fine, I'll concede. It's not War Plan Red, but my question still stands.

Please explain. That's what this thread is for after all.

My plan is to make a factbook entry of various colour war plans like the US had, and maybe do a V for Vendetta type of RP where a resistance movement fights against Ratigan's Christian dictatorship in the UK. That's why I'm asking this.

I'm still bending my mind around the Disney thingy...

It's not really that important in the grand scheme of things. At most it means most British subjects won't be very fond of their new head of state (Ratigan is a villainous character) so setting up the government will be harder. It won't effect the war as far as I know since my army is still 99% just the combined Canadian and American forces.

[Questers]

Any ideas for a modernized version of War Plan Red? My nation controls both the USA and Canada, so the Canadian invasion part really isn't relevant to my nation but the main part of the plan still is. I imagine neutralizing the UK's nuclear weapons would be very important for us to accomplish our goals.

The end game is to turn the UK into a puppet regime with Ratigan as Lord Protector so a long-term occupation would play a role as well.

This was my favourite disney film. Fuck you for ruining it.

[Questers]

Air defence.

At Division I have an an Anti-air Regiment. This Regiment is composed of 1 squadron of 4 troops of 12 Rapier 2000 systems with a range of about 8km. These systems can be parcelled out to Brigades, but usually they cover the Divisional administrative area and the forward bracket of the advance. It also has 1 squadron of 4 troops of 12 Stormer HVM systems. They can be parcelled out to Brigades or whatever too, and the Stormer system can actually attack light armour successfully. 1 more squadron of 4 troops of 12 HVM manpads systems rounds out the Anti-air Regiment.

Each Brigade has an Air Defence Troop. This is 12 Stormer HVM systems to cover the direct fighting units of the Brigade. The Divisional HVM systems are left to defence Brigade service and admin areas as well as the supply routes. Each Battalion has 6 manpads systems also, 1 in each brigade cmdr, support coy cmdr and company cmdr vehicle, but with limited rockets.

Corps are equipped with a Regiment of 48 Volland missile systems for an engagement bracket of 65km. Handed over to Divisions, these systems can defend the forward advance of a Division. http://iiwiki.com/wiki/Voulland_%28missile%29

All 3 Armies in Questers are equipped with Regiments of Clovis missile systems for full theatre defence against large concentrations of aircraft.
http://iiwiki.com/wiki/Clovis_%28missile%29

I am considering putting the Volland in the Division, though. I actually see my DIvisions as lacking substantial AD at this time.