NS Military Realism Consultancy Thread Mark IX Spitfire

[The Akasha Colony]

But it only really needs a small number of helicopters to facilitate mobility.

Which is why you only need a small carrier like Cavour or something.

But if you're carrying 2,000 marines you'd need more than just "a small number of helicopters" to move them. That's more than an actual US Navy amphibious assault ship carries.

Because on NS there are literally slaver nations and pirate nations.

And these entire nations are unlikely to be intimidated by a single ship, even one with some big naval guns and a handful of helicopters. If you're talking about nations, then I'd presume you'd need some nation-level firepower, so where are your supercarriers and assault ships? Your destroyer squadrons and nuclear submarines? And once you have those, you no longer have need for this.

[Kouralia]

But it only really needs a small number of helicopters to facilitate mobility.

Which is why you only need a small carrier like Cavour or something.

But if you're carrying 2,000 marines you'd need more than just "a small number of helicopters" to move them. That's more than an actual US Navy amphibious assault ship carries.

It would likely not carry that many men. Probably ~600 at most. The remainder would either be other services or be taken up by berths for freed slaves to stay in while en route to Kouralia.

Because on NS there are literally slaver nations and pirate nations.

And these entire nations are unlikely to be intimidated by a single ship, even one with some big naval guns and a handful of helicopters. If you're talking about nations, then I'd presume you'd need some nation-level firepower, so where are your supercarriers and assault ships? Your destroyer squadrons and nuclear submarines? And once you have those, you no longer have need for this.

Eh, this ship fills a niche between full scale war and criminal investigation. Regardless, it's something that will be done no matter how inefficient or overly specialist it is, predominantly because I like the idea of one.

[Austria-Bohemia-Hungary]

An US Navy Expeditionary Strike Group would do perfectly fine.

[Kouralia]

An US Navy Expeditionary Strike Group would do perfectly fine.

Cool. Thanks for that. I will now discontinue the plan which is by-and-large solely because I want a vessel to fill this niche, and replace it with full strike groups.

[Austria-Bohemia-Hungary]

An US Navy Expeditionary Strike Group would do perfectly fine.

Cool. Thanks for that. I will now discontinue the plan which is by-and-large solely because I want a vessel to fill this niche, and replace it with full strike groups.

Tbh if you really want to defeat a state actor dealing in slavery you full scale invade him, with the loosest ROE possible. He's a hostis humani generis anyway. Deal with the survivors as Homeland would deal with ISIS.
Regarding your original plan, a strike group specifically after me would necessitate a major response in the form of one of my own carrier groups. A single vessel up to 100,000 tons? Just toss a full sized bomber group at it with a hundred long range antiship missiles.

[Takhshiyt]

Cool. Thanks for that. I will now discontinue the plan which is by-and-large solely because I want a vessel to fill this niche, and replace it with full strike groups.

Tbh if you really want to defeat a state actor dealing in slavery you full scale invade him, with the loosest ROE possible. He's a hostis humani generis anyway. Deal with the survivors as Homeland would deal with ISIS.

Quinn the Edgy.

[North Arkana]

Tbh if you really want to defeat a state actor dealing in slavery you full scale invade him, with the loosest ROE possible. He's a hostis humani generis anyway. Deal with the survivors as Homeland would deal with ISIS.

Quinn the Edgy.

Eh. It's true to a degree. At a certain point, it has to be accepted that ideas are bulletproof, so you just have to remove the ability for those ideas to be carried around.

[Takhshiyt]

Quinn the Edgy.

Eh. It's true to a degree. At a certain point, it has to be accepted that ideas are bulletproof, so you just have to remove the ability for those ideas to be carried around.

I actually sort of agree with what he said.

[Kazarogkai]

Would 7 weeks for basic training be a decent amount of time for recruits.
(This is during the year 1943)
I honestly have no idea on how to organize the training of troops for my nation.
Thank you for your time.

The US Army training was 10 weeks. At first they were only conscripting 21+, but by like 1943 they needed more personnel and began to tap the 18 to 21 age group. The US also had the advantage of being over 1,000 miles away from any land combat, and never organized over 100 divisions at any point in time in WW2.

The Germans were different, as they had an entire indoctrination system organized from the ages of 14 and up with the Hitler Youth.

The Soviets training? kek. Ivan applies the Mosin to the Fascist, or else he gets the Maxim again.

British training was apparently really good before the war, and was shortened during iirc.

French training varied. Their best divisions were super good and professional with all kinds of cool things like MAS-36s, FM-29s, etc but then they also had some good colonial divisions and then had colonial divisions which looked legit like WW1 guys, just brown.

NIPPON GRORIUS TRAINED ARME BROW AWAY AMERICAN-KUN BAKA GAIJN ARMY AWAY EACH SOLDIER TRAINED ONE TOUSAND TIMES

Is that just basic training or does that include "advance" training also?

[Husseinarti]

The US Army training was 10 weeks. At first they were only conscripting 21+, but by like 1943 they needed more personnel and began to tap the 18 to 21 age group. The US also had the advantage of being over 1,000 miles away from any land combat, and never organized over 100 divisions at any point in time in WW2.

The Germans were different, as they had an entire indoctrination system organized from the ages of 14 and up with the Hitler Youth.

The Soviets training? kek. Ivan applies the Mosin to the Fascist, or else he gets the Maxim again.

British training was apparently really good before the war, and was shortened during iirc.

French training varied. Their best divisions were super good and professional with all kinds of cool things like MAS-36s, FM-29s, etc but then they also had some good colonial divisions and then had colonial divisions which looked legit like WW1 guys, just brown.

NIPPON GRORIUS TRAINED ARME BROW AWAY AMERICAN-KUN BAKA GAIJN ARMY AWAY EACH SOLDIER TRAINED ONE TOUSAND TIMES

Is that just basic training or does that include "advance" training also?

BCT followed by more training.

[Questers]

Almost all Japanese males who fought in the war would have received basic military training before the war. Those drafted for China would have had it in fresh memory; those who were old enough would have received it perhaps even ten or fifteen years before being drafted for service elsewhere. The training quality was quite good. The problem with the IJA wasn't bad training.

[Gallan Systems]

The fascist powers had the best training standards of the war and almost entirely as a result of their political philosophies.

The USA was near the bottom even by liberal democracy standards, American soldiers were near incompetent morally and physically, if their ability as infantrymen says anything.

[The Kievan People]

German training was originally like two years long.

[Questers]

The fascist powers had the best training standards of the war and almost entirely as a result of their political philosophies.

The USA was near the bottom even by liberal democracy standards, American soldiers were near incompetent morally and physically, if their ability as infantrymen says anything.

Japan's military training system predated it being fascist. The Japanese were just martial. In the wrong way though

[Questers]

the fascists lost because they didnt embrace the power of machine and kept yabbing on about the SPIRITUAL AND MORAL VICTORY and w/e then they got machined

[Gallan Systems]

German training was originally like two years long.

Something-something American observers watching 16 year old children slap them silly in training maneuvers from the observer's perspective.

http://usacac.army.mil/cac2/cgsc/carl/w ... mber03.pdf

I think it's here.

I suppose if the performance of infantry in combat can be used as a metric, Americans were strongly competing for the worst trained soldiers of the era.

the fascists lost because they didnt embrace the power of machine and kept yabbing on about the SPIRITUAL AND MORAL VICTORY and w/e then they got machined

The Nazis were winning until they desperately needed boats tbh.

The USA is still hugely concerned to this day about problems with raising enough manpower to fight another world war anyway, since everyone is fat and lazy and eats McD's all day instead of eating 2,000 calorie meals and exercising 30 minutes-1 hour cardio and hoisting.

The food pyramid is basically futurist.

[Husseinarti]

yeah you can have the bestest most awesomeest aryan child army maneuvers ever however some d-bag from the bronx with his map-grid artillery system will be able to call for fire on karl and his band of plucky, quirky youth of kiddies within minutes of them stepping on the field of battle

its all fun and games until 36 105mm M101A1s shell your position with WP and HE and you watch your best friend jager von smithenhem get blown to bits

M101A1 uber alles

[Gallan Systems]

that's great

still shit at fighting tho

cant really expect better from what was essentially a third world country tho

[Allanea]

The fascist powers had the best training standards of the war and almost entirely as a result of their political philosophies.

The USA was near the bottom even by liberal democracy standards, American soldiers were near incompetent morally and physically, if their ability as infantrymen says anything.

IJA training was terrible.

It included such gems as...

1. Literally stabbing soldiers with sharp sticks to teach them to injure pain and injury in the name of the Emperor.
2. Literally refusing to teach officers about Japan's defeats.
3. Instructing officers that unsheathing your sword and shouting Banzai had the firepower equivalent of a dozen men with rifles. [Again, literally.]

The fap that fascist nations [and especially japan] had to DEFEAT THE ENEMY WITH SHEER IRON WILLL AND BRAVERY lost time and time again to a hail of mortar rounds.

[Questers]

That's wartime training. Huge portions of the IJA were trained pre-war. (Lots of them died tbf.) It's unsurprising that training quality fell off during wartime, although it's worth remembering that for Japan, wartime was 1937-1945.

[Allanea]

That's wartime training. Huge portions of the IJA were trained pre-war. (Lots of them died tbf.) It's unsurprising that training quality fell off during wartime, although it's worth remembering that for Japan, wartime was 1937-1945.

No, I am specifically talking about Japanese training in the period 1939-1941. (And the stick-poking and the sabre-waving came in earlier).

Here's the thing though.

1. A soldier doesn't necessarily become better at fighting by emphasizing BRAVERY and TENACITY.
2. Military training doesn't improve the soldier linearly. A soldier that's taken two years to train is not going to be four times better than a soldier that takes six months to train.

And that's before we talk about the horrifying fact that having a better soldier isn't actually that important in the first place (as long as the soldier isn't totally incompetent like the Basij or something dumb like that).

[The Kievan People]

1. Literally stabbing soldiers with sharp sticks to teach them to injure pain and injury in the name of the Emperor.

This really isn't that different than hazing rituals.

If anything formalizing the process might have had certain benefits, like less things being stuck up their butts.

[Allanea]

1. Literally stabbing soldiers with sharp sticks to teach them to injure pain and injury in the name of the Emperor.

This really isn't that different than hazing rituals.

If anything formalizing the process might have had certain benefits, like less things being stuck up their butts.

And brutal, violent hazing is known to be conducive to making people better fighters-

Oh wait.

[Questers]

That's wartime training. Huge portions of the IJA were trained pre-war. (Lots of them died tbf.) It's unsurprising that training quality fell off during wartime, although it's worth remembering that for Japan, wartime was 1937-1945.

No, I am specifically talking about Japanese training in the period 1939-1941. (And the stick-poking and the sabre-waving came in earlier).

Here's the thing though.

1. A soldier doesn't necessarily become better at fighting by emphasizing BRAVERY and TENACITY.
2. Military training doesn't improve the soldier linearly. A soldier that's taken two years to train is not going to be four times better than a soldier that takes six months to train.

And that's before we talk about the horrifying fact that having a better soldier isn't actually that important in the first place (as long as the soldier isn't totally incompetent like the Basij or something dumb like that).

1939-1941 is wartime. Japan was embroiled in a major continental war between 1939-1941... it was already fully mobilised for war.

[Allanea]

No, I am specifically talking about Japanese training in the period 1939-1941. (And the stick-poking and the sabre-waving came in earlier).

Here's the thing though.

1. A soldier doesn't necessarily become better at fighting by emphasizing BRAVERY and TENACITY.
2. Military training doesn't improve the soldier linearly. A soldier that's taken two years to train is not going to be four times better than a soldier that takes six months to train.

And that's before we talk about the horrifying fact that having a better soldier isn't actually that important in the first place (as long as the soldier isn't totally incompetent like the Basij or something dumb like that).

1939-1941 is wartime. Japan was embroiled in a major continental war between 1939-1941... it was already fully mobilised for war.

Wartime training typically gets worse because there's less resources to train people and less time to train them.

This doesn't justify the addition of outright false shit to training curricula.

And again, the stick-poking ans sword-waving predates 1939.