NS Military Realism Consultancy Thread Mark IX Spitfire

[Palakistan]

I have 18 Zubr Class LCAC's if that answers the question.

Zubrare are landing craft. When I'm talking about other ships, I'm refering to cargo ships like these.

I have none. That's why I'm going to build some, with the help of allies.

[Axis Nova]

In general you are not going to pacify the civilian populace by murdering the hell out of them, quite the contrary. See also: Syria.

[Palakistan]

In general you are not going to pacify the civilian populace by murdering the hell out of them, quite the contrary. See also: Syria.

I would personally make the populace love my nation, and show that the previous regime is worse than me.

[Velkanika]

How effective is killing only women/men/children as a means of intimidation when occupying a territory populated by unco-operative people?

Aside from international outrage and potential alienation/retaliation, of course.

Killing off large portions of the military age male population can be an effective strategy to put down large scale dissent, worked for Alexander the Great at the very least. Though it may backfire for said military age males are an important source of labor and as such said territory will have economic problems since you killed all the farmers/laborers/etc. That and it may actually encourage people to go into hiding and engage in asymmetric warfare thereby making the situation even worse by requiring you to invest in large quantities of military personal and equipment to pacify the population.

Never ever kill children though, it gives them a powerful rallying point and makes it so that they basically have nothing left to live for(in their mind anyways). You never want to fight an opponent who has nothing left to live for.

Personally I would wipe out the entire adult population, take the children and then scatter them throughout my lands placing them with good loyal Kaza households so that they may be raised in are ways, afterwards the lands would be resettled with loyal Citizens.

Congratulations, you've just created a few million pissed-off infiltrators at the very least and given all your neighbors casus belli to attack you before you genocide them. Genocide of rebelling populations became politically and socially untenable about 200 years ago. Genocide of other nationalities is a great way to piss off major world powers into taking steps to contain or stop you that, in the case of the Japanese Empire, led directly to World War II. I feel it should be noted that what you are proposing, which the Japanese did, is why I feel no pity or shame for my nation firebombing and nuking most of their cities.

[Axis Nova]

That only works if they were, in fact, worse in the first place, of course.

[Altaiire]

Hmm, speaking of genocide... I have to wonder if you could profit off engaging in II wars against genociding nations. Just join the inevitable dogpile, win the war in a few pages' time, slap down enough "reparations" to make bank, move onto the next. It's the perfect plan.

[Spirit of Hope]

Hmm, speaking of genocide... I have to wonder if you could profit off engaging in II wars against genociding nations. Just join the inevitable dogpile, win the war in a few pages' time, slap down enough "reparations" to make bank, move onto the next. It's the perfect plan.

Accept for the fact that you are probably loosing soldiers and need your population to not get war wary from always taking part in invasions that would in reality probably take months or years. Also need to worry about those nations actually paying any reparations,.

[Prosorusiya]

In theory, if Russia withdrew from the Northern Caucus, after a years long devastating guerrilla war, they would basically take everything they had with the, especially warships, right? Just want to make sure my nations backstory makes sense.

[Chinese Peoples]

My nation has a scenario where Japan exchanges roles with Korea in the late 19th Century: Japan stays isolationist and hostile to industrialization, while Korea accepts those and becomes advanced.

And, of course, Korea has decided to cleanse Vietnam of the ethnically Vietnamese, as those Korean wanted colonies too without upsetting China (which can't be bothered one way or the other).

[Spirit of Hope]

My nation has a scenario where Japan exchanges roles with Korea in the late 19th Century: Japan stays isolationist and hostile to industrialization, while Korea accepts those and becomes advanced.

And, of course, Korea has decided to cleanse Vietnam of the ethnically Vietnamese, as those Korean wanted colonies too without upsetting China (which can't be bothered one way or the other).

Certainly plausible, though Vietnam at the time was under the control of the French. So Korea would probably be at war with the French over Vietnam.

In theory, if Russia withdrew from the Northern Caucus, after a years long devastating guerrilla war, they would basically take everything they had with the, especially warships, right? Just want to make sure my nations backstory makes sense.

Most likely yes they would take everything they could, and then some, with them as they withdrew. Unless taking that with them would further expose them to attacks which they are trying to avoid.

[Altaiire]

Hmm, speaking of genocide... I have to wonder if you could profit off engaging in II wars against genociding nations. Just join the inevitable dogpile, win the war in a few pages' time, slap down enough "reparations" to make bank, move onto the next. It's the perfect plan.

Accept for the fact that you are probably loosing soldiers and need your population to not get war wary from always taking part in invasions that would in reality probably take months or years. Also need to worry about those nations actually paying any reparations,.

Thankfully (speaking from experience) genocidal nations generally don't put up much of a fight. Their governments tend to surrender or get coup'd by the time you get the chance to launch a cruise missile at something. You could probably get away with not actually fighting, even. Just declare war, wait for it to be over by next week then show up at surrender negotiations demanding one meelion dollars.

[Spirit of Hope]

Accept for the fact that you are probably loosing soldiers and need your population to not get war wary from always taking part in invasions that would in reality probably take months or years. Also need to worry about those nations actually paying any reparations,.

Thankfully (speaking from experience) genocidal nations generally don't put up much of a fight. Their governments tend to surrender or get coup'd by the time you get the chance to launch a cruise missile at something. You could probably get away with not actually fighting, even. Just declare war, wait for it to be over by next week then show up at surrender negotiations demanding one meelion dollars.

Still doesn't sound like you are coming out that well. Just taking some jets off to fly around can take a couple million dollars. Flying to show up to the negotiations could easily cost a couple hundred thousand.

[Chinese Peoples]

My nation has a scenario where Japan exchanges roles with Korea in the late 19th Century: Japan stays isolationist and hostile to industrialization, while Korea accepts those and becomes advanced.

And, of course, Korea has decided to cleanse Vietnam of the ethnically Vietnamese, as those Korean wanted colonies too without upsetting China (which can't be bothered one way or the other).

Certainly plausible, though Vietnam at the time was under the control of the French. So Korea would probably be at war with the French over Vietnam.

So the Koreans are up to no good in Vietnam in the 1900s and expelled the French. They establish one of the most grisly regimes known to men in Vietnam, where all locals are automatically considered slaves to the conquerors; land and the local populace are parceled out to the participating soldiers on discharge.

What are the challenges?

[Husseinarti]

Well.

In 1900, the French were on fucking point with most things.

It was trenches and shit that really bogged them down.

The Koreans would have had to engage in a fairly large war against the French and then the local Vietnamese, as they would go full LOLSSNAZI on the same people who gave everyone from the Frogs to the Chinese to the Vietnamese to the Japanese to the Americans all major issues in attempting to control the population.

Then, if Korea 'kicks' out the French, all of the other major European powers interested here (aka everyone in Western Europe) would be pushing the Koreans out of the way.

Oh sorry Korea we just sank your entire fleet at sea, most serene apologies from the Royal Navy.

[Palakistan]

So what is the tonnage capacity of a Bob Hope Class ship?

[Spirit of Hope]

Certainly plausible, though Vietnam at the time was under the control of the French. So Korea would probably be at war with the French over Vietnam.

So the Koreans are up to no good in Vietnam in the 1900s and expelled the French. They establish one of the most grisly regimes known to men in Vietnam, where all locals are automatically considered slaves to the conquerors; land and the local populace are parceled out to the participating soldiers on discharge.

What are the challenges?

The challenges? First the Vietnamese are going to hate you and almost certainly fight back, and history has shown they don't quit easy when fighting back. The french will be watching for any mistakes to jump in and take their land back. The US, GB, and other European nations may be just a little upset with you, though that depends on how much they know and how good a trade partner you are. And this all assumes you can sell this to your own people.

[Chinese Peoples]

Well.

In 1900, the French were on fucking point with most things.

It was trenches and shit that really bogged them down.

The Koreans would have had to engage in a fairly large war against the French and then the local Vietnamese, as they would go full LOLSSNAZI on the same people who gave everyone from the Frogs to the Chinese to the Vietnamese to the Japanese to the Americans all major issues in attempting to control the population.

Then, if Korea 'kicks' out the French, all of the other major European powers interested here (aka everyone in Western Europe) would be pushing the Koreans out of the way.

Oh sorry Korea we just sank your entire fleet at sea, most serene apologies from the Royal Navy.

Yikes. I need a situation where the Koreans were the Nazis and Nazis more like normal people.

[Chinese Peoples]

So the Koreans are up to no good in Vietnam in the 1900s and expelled the French. They establish one of the most grisly regimes known to men in Vietnam, where all locals are automatically considered slaves to the conquerors; land and the local populace are parceled out to the participating soldiers on discharge.

What are the challenges?

The challenges? First the Vietnamese are going to hate you and almost certainly fight back, and history has shown they don't quit easy when fighting back. The french will be watching for any mistakes to jump in and take their land back. The US, GB, and other European nations may be just a little upset with you, though that depends on how much they know and how good a trade partner you are. And this all assumes you can sell this to your own people.

Don't worry about the domestic front. In this canon, Koreans take nationalism tending towards imperialistic expansion to a whole new level.

[Allanea]

Hmm, speaking of genocide... I have to wonder if you could profit off engaging in II wars against genociding nations. Just join the inevitable dogpile, win the war in a few pages' time, slap down enough "reparations" to make bank, move onto the next. It's the perfect plan.

Accept for the fact that you are probably loosing soldiers and need your population to not get war wary from always taking part in invasions that would in reality probably take months or years. Also need to worry about those nations actually paying any reparations,.

A more realistic plan is to sign long-term trade agreements with the nations that were participating in the dogpile with you.

[Husseinarti]

US never enters World War 1. Japan never annexed, or was beaten in an attempt to annex the Koreans.

The Spring Offensive in 1918 is a success as another French and British mutiny happens and the Kaiser accepts the surrender in Paris by August.

Ensuing chaos as the war weary British and French, who had been brought into the war on very high hopes of a quick victory, only to then be given a four year slaughter and a broken economy. In short, no one can really find time to work on their Far East empires. The French would be containing a Communist revolution, as would be the British by the 1920s.

Mid-1920s, Korea finally seeing an opportunity begins to take first steps to conquer Vietnam. From there, you'd have to content with a possibly revised German Empire, who would be very thirsty for the now undefended colonies across the world. If anything, Vietnam would have taken their own steps towards independence by this time, so you'd find yourself fighting whatever last bits of French influence, then Vietnamese independence forces, and even possibly the Germans.

if anything, the Koreans would be looking more towards China, than attempting an empire across the ocean. You take both Vietnam and Korea, the Europeans are no fools and would see that it could mean your ships may sail up and down with impunity until the real navies arrive to defeat you as you refuel and restock.

aka kasierreich mod for HOI2.

[Themiclesia]

US never enters World War 1. Japan never annexed, or was beaten in an attempt to annex the Koreans.

The Spring Offensive in 1918 is a success as another French and British mutiny happens and the Kaiser accepts the surrender in Paris by August.

Ensuing chaos as the war weary British and French, who had been brought into the war on very high hopes of a quick victory, only to then be given a four year slaughter and a broken economy. In short, no one can really find time to work on their Far East empires. The French would be containing a Communist revolution, as would be the British by the 1920s.

Mid-1920s, Korea finally seeing an opportunity begins to take first steps to conquer Vietnam. From there, you'd have to content with a possibly revised German Empire, who would be very thirsty for the now undefended colonies across the world. If anything, Vietnam would have taken their own steps towards independence by this time, so you'd find yourself fighting whatever last bits of French influence, then Vietnamese independence forces, and even possibly the Germans.

if anything, the Koreans would be looking more towards China, than attempting an empire across the ocean. You take both Vietnam and Korea, the Europeans are no fools and would see that it could mean your ships may sail up and down with impunity until the real navies arrive to defeat you as you refuel and restock.

aka kasierreich mod for HOI2.

Due to cultural and historical reasons, I don't think Korea would look to China as a colony, at least at this stage.

[Husseinarti]

US never enters World War 1. Japan never annexed, or was beaten in an attempt to annex the Koreans.

The Spring Offensive in 1918 is a success as another French and British mutiny happens and the Kaiser accepts the surrender in Paris by August.

Ensuing chaos as the war weary British and French, who had been brought into the war on very high hopes of a quick victory, only to then be given a four year slaughter and a broken economy. In short, no one can really find time to work on their Far East empires. The French would be containing a Communist revolution, as would be the British by the 1920s.

Mid-1920s, Korea finally seeing an opportunity begins to take first steps to conquer Vietnam. From there, you'd have to content with a possibly revised German Empire, who would be very thirsty for the now undefended colonies across the world. If anything, Vietnam would have taken their own steps towards independence by this time, so you'd find yourself fighting whatever last bits of French influence, then Vietnamese independence forces, and even possibly the Germans.

if anything, the Koreans would be looking more towards China, than attempting an empire across the ocean. You take both Vietnam and Korea, the Europeans are no fools and would see that it could mean your ships may sail up and down with impunity until the real navies arrive to defeat you as you refuel and restock.

aka kasierreich mod for HOI2.

Due to cultural and historical reasons, I don't think Korea would look to China as a colony, at least at this stage.

If they'd look at Vietnam in this case, why wouldn't they go to China?

[Themiclesia]

Due to cultural and historical reasons, I don't think Korea would look to China as a colony, at least at this stage.

If they'd look at Vietnam in this case, why wouldn't they go to China?

Because Korea was a tributary state of China.

[Altaiire]

Thankfully (speaking from experience) genocidal nations generally don't put up much of a fight. Their governments tend to surrender or get coup'd by the time you get the chance to launch a cruise missile at something. You could probably get away with not actually fighting, even. Just declare war, wait for it to be over by next week then show up at surrender negotiations demanding one meelion dollars.

Still doesn't sound like you are coming out that well. Just taking some jets off to fly around can take a couple million dollars. Flying to show up to the negotiations could easily cost a couple hundred thousand.

Not literally one million dollars, excuse my lame pop culture references.

[Husseinarti]

In this case I suppose that since Korea has super nationalized or whatever, Korea has become a kind of Japan or whatever.