NS Military Realism Consultation Thread Type 08

[Crookfur]

Another question regarding the RP I am in. I am currently Japan in the l8 1700's; it's alt history, so I am acquiring flintlock muskets. Would it still be advisable to issue musket troops Ashigaru armors? Also, is there any downside to having heavy cavalry remain in armor well into the 1800's? Would having a separate corps of melee infantry for internal rebellion for a while still a good idea?

Not much point in seperate melee infantry. Muskets with bayonets are plenty good for herding peasants and if things get out of hand or the rebels get firearms you don't have to wait for reinforcements.

Keeping some traditional armour for musketeers whilst not ideal is pretty justifiable iirc quite a few non western groups did this although even those that did keep it gradually lightened what was used.

[United Marxist Nations]

Thank you for the input.

[Laiten]

Another question regarding the RP I am in. I am currently Japan in the l8 1700's; it's alt history, so I am acquiring flintlock muskets. Would it still be advisable to issue musket troops Ashigaru armors? Also, is there any downside to having heavy cavalry remain in armor well into the 1800's? Would having a separate corps of melee infantry for internal rebellion for a while still a good idea?

Not much point in seperate melee infantry. Muskets with bayonets are plenty good for herding peasants and if things get out of hand or the rebels get firearms you don't have to wait for reinforcements.

Keeping some traditional armour for musketeers whilst not ideal is pretty justifiable iirc quite a few non western groups did this although even those that did keep it gradually lightened what was used.

The bayonett was more or less the successor to the spear. Albeit shorter.

[Vancon]

How could one use biological and gas weapons in space?

[United Marxist Nations]

How could one use biological and gas weapons in space?

You would have to get it inside the enemy vessel in a way that doesn't cause depressurization (as that would remove the gas fro, the ship/facility).

[Vancon]

How could one use biological and gas weapons in space?

You would have to get it inside the enemy vessel in a way that doesn't cause depressurization (as that would remove the gas fro, the ship/facility).

I'm imagining some kind of bunker buster that releases gas.

[Immoren]

How could one use biological and gas weapons in space?

Why would you want to use biological of gas weapons in space?

[Celibrae]

How could one use biological and gas weapons in space?

Why would you want to use biological of gas weapons in space?

I assume the vacuum of space itself would take the place of biological/chemical weapons in space warfare.

[Crookfur]

Chemical weapons could possibly function if you could create a cloud of some chemical that would attack the materials of a ship and the same could go for vacume tolerant metal eating bacteria. Of course as with things currently it just so much easier and effective to apply kaboom.

[Atomic Utopia]

How could one use biological and gas weapons in space?

Why would you want to use biological of gas weapons in space?

Well, bio weapons might do good against large civilian targets as they could be (somewhat) easily moved to the target. You would also have less of a cance of it backfiring horribly on you, but it would be useless against enemy spacecraft.

[Yukonastan]

Chemical weapons could possibly function if you could create a cloud of some chemical that would attack the materials of a ship and the same could go for vacume tolerant metal eating bacteria. Of course as with things currently it just so much easier and effective to apply kaboom.

That's gotta be one big kaboom, then.

(you thinking what i'm thinking? nuclear shape charges?)

[Purpelia]

Chemical weapons could possibly function if you could create a cloud of some chemical that would attack the materials of a ship and the same could go for vacume tolerant metal eating bacteria. Of course as with things currently it just so much easier and effective to apply kaboom.

That's gotta be one big kaboom, then.

(you thinking what i'm thinking? nuclear shape charges?)

That's so 2008. (That's when I started using them)

[Atomic Utopia]

Chemical weapons could possibly function if you could create a cloud of some chemical that would attack the materials of a ship and the same could go for vacume tolerant metal eating bacteria. Of course as with things currently it just so much easier and effective to apply kaboom.

That's gotta be one big kaboom, then.

(you thinking what i'm thinking? nuclear shape charges?)

Nah, project Excalibur bomb pumped xasers are so much better.

[Yukonastan]

Nuclear-excited xasers *and* nuclear shaped charges? Think about it. While most of your blast energy is focused at one point of the hull, your xaser array splits off the warhead, aims the rods, and get ignited by the flash. You could hole the entire side of a ship!

[Imperializt Russia]

65 / cos(68)

Anyway it would probably just deflect or shatter depending on how much face hardening you bothered with.

you forgot to add a factor for slippage. that slippage does not exist for modern armor as long rods dig in.

171+/- margin of error*

Penetration not binary.
There would be a number of shots where this plate may be fully penetrated. In any case, the plate is substantially weakened by a significant partial penetration and may fail under follow-up fire.

APCR is more vulnerable to slippage because I guess the momentum of the penetration is not uniform?

you guys have learned well

I'm not familiar with slippage since it's from an era that has since passed.
But the "X is not binary" lesson has definitely stuck because it is important.

[Gallia-]

Don't give no shits about APCR.

[Atomic Utopia]

(Image)

Don't give no shits about APCR.

That gun seems to protrude a tad bit out in front of that tank, and the tank body as a whole seems a tad short.

[Rich and Corporations]

(Image)

Don't give no shits about APCR.

That gun seems to protrude a tad bit out in front of that tank, and the tank body as a whole seems a tad short.

*sighs*

Galla/Gallia/Gallia-, he uh. only does tanks with crew in turret.

[The Archangel Conglomerate]

Would missile tanks be a decent choice for interstellar expeditionary warfare? If so, how many missiles should it be carrying?

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(Image)

Don't give no shits about APCR.

Probably the best tank I've seen this month. Possibly the best this year. Why's it got a banaan though?

[Assorted Sucrose-Based Lifeforms]

(Image)

Don't give no shits about APCR.

Probably the best tank I've seen this month. Possibly the best this year. Why's it got a banaan though?

Banana for scale.
Beautiful, simply beautiful.

[The Archangel Conglomerate]

Banana for scale.
Beautiful, simply beautiful.

Ja, dat weet Ik. I was hoping for a humorous reply to a stupid question, all told.

[Korva]

(Image)

Don't give no shits about APCR.

That gun seems to protrude a tad bit out in front of that tank, and the tank body as a whole seems a tad short.

MBT-70 lyfe

[Gallia-]

Would missile tanks be a decent choice for interstellar expeditionary warfare? If so, how many missiles should it be carrying?

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(Image)

Don't give no shits about APCR.

Probably the best tank I've seen this month. Possibly the best this year. Why's it got a banaan though?

Banana for scale.

That gun seems to protrude a tad bit out in front of that tank, and the tank body as a whole seems a tad short.

*sighs*

Galla/Gallia/Gallia-, he uh. only does tanks with crew in turret.

Wrong I also do one-man turrets:

[Vancon]

Would missile tanks be a decent choice for interstellar expeditionary warfare? If so, how many missiles should it be carrying?

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Probably the best tank I've seen this month. Possibly the best this year. Why's it got a banaan though?

Banana for scale.

*sighs*

Galla/Gallia/Gallia-, he uh. only does tanks with crew in turret.

Wrong I also do one-man turrets:

I like the lady on the front of it.

[Korva]

I like the lady on the front of it.

lady

thems fightin words