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Postby Esgonia » Fri Sep 25, 2015 3:58 pm

North Arkana wrote:EDIT: I'm assuming that in a modern last-ditch defense situation, where your remaining positions are primarily in urban areas, that issuing not! Sten guns would be a viable way of arming those who can't be provided with standard issue weapons?

Why not issue them semi-automatic rifles or hunting rifles or something?
But yeah, the Sten could be a good idea
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Postby Western Pacific Territories » Fri Sep 25, 2015 3:58 pm

Allanea wrote:I'm still votiong for deployng three divisions of Paratroopers.

Three divisions of Paratroopers can repopulate anything.

Sure. But Azenyanistan isn't a warzone now...

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Postby North Yemen- » Fri Sep 25, 2015 3:59 pm

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Esgonia wrote:My god what are we even discussing now.
also someone pls answer question.

We're discussing how to repopulate Azenyanistan via. a pizza chain. Talk about off topic.

To be fair, demographics are kind of important to consider for military related stuff.
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Postby North Yemen- » Fri Sep 25, 2015 3:59 pm

Esgonia wrote:
North Arkana wrote:EDIT: I'm assuming that in a modern last-ditch defense situation, where your remaining positions are primarily in urban areas, that issuing not! Sten guns would be a viable way of arming those who can't be provided with standard issue weapons?

Why not issue them semi-automatic rifles or hunting rifles or something?
But yeah, the Sten could be a good idea

Because those aren't as useful as submachine guns in urban combat.
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Postby Austria-Bohemia-Hungary » Fri Sep 25, 2015 3:59 pm

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North Arkana wrote:EDIT: I'm assuming that in a modern last-ditch defense situation, where your remaining positions are primarily in urban areas, that issuing not!Sten guns would be a viable way of arming those who can't be provided with standard issue weapons?
Maybe something like the Low Maintenance Rifle, which is basically a 5.56 STEN I guess.

M3 Grease Gun.
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Postby Allanea » Fri Sep 25, 2015 4:01 pm

North Yemen- wrote:
Esgonia wrote:Why not issue them semi-automatic rifles or hunting rifles or something?
But yeah, the Sten could be a good idea

Because those aren't as useful as submachine guns in urban combat.



Please provide backing for this statement.

A self-loading rifle in 5.56 is pretty much useful for anything.
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Postby Esgonia » Fri Sep 25, 2015 4:02 pm

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Esgonia wrote:Also would the Ka-60 be suited for operations that the Black Hawk or the Pavehawk would usually operate in?

Ka-60 is suitable for things the AS365 Dauphin does.

Ah, figured where its design took inspiration from.

Allanea wrote:Please provide backing for this statement.

A self-loading rifle in 5.56 is pretty much useful for anything.

I'm guessing for stuff like clearing buildings or close-quarter fighting.
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Postby Sediczja » Fri Sep 25, 2015 4:02 pm

Austria-Bohemia-Hungary wrote:M3 Grease Gun.
But why pistol-calibre when you can intermediate?
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Postby Austria-Bohemia-Hungary » Fri Sep 25, 2015 4:04 pm

Sediczja wrote:
Austria-Bohemia-Hungary wrote:M3 Grease Gun.
But why pistol-calibre when you can intermediate?

Because expense. And pistol caliber kills/suppresses just fine.
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Postby Allanea » Fri Sep 25, 2015 4:05 pm

I'm guessing for stuff like clearing buildings or close-quarter fighting.


And yet in the real world practically everyone has switched to 5.56/5.45 carbines for that too.
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Postby Esgonia » Fri Sep 25, 2015 4:06 pm

Allanea wrote:
I'm guessing for stuff like clearing buildings or close-quarter fighting.


And yet in the real world practically everyone has switched to 5.56/5.45 carbines for that too.

Well, if you want a cheaper alternative, then using weapons that fire pistol-cartridge rounds would be a good solution.
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Postby North Yemen- » Fri Sep 25, 2015 4:07 pm

Allanea wrote:
I'm guessing for stuff like clearing buildings or close-quarter fighting.


And yet in the real world practically everyone has switched to 5.56/5.45 carbines for that too.

If you're JUST fighting in an urban setting at close-quarters/knife fighting range, and you wanna save money because you're on the brink of losing, a cheap little machine gun is probably much more economic and useful than a hunting rifle

though I won't argue with the 5.56
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Postby Austria-Bohemia-Hungary » Fri Sep 25, 2015 4:08 pm

I'm wondering if PDW's like P90 would be a solution to your problem, however, am a bit worried if you can handle the cost.
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Postby North Yemen- » Fri Sep 25, 2015 4:08 pm

Austria-Bohemia-Hungary wrote:I'm wondering if PDW's like P90 would be a solution to your problem, however, am a bit worried if you can handle the cost.

the most cost effective method would be to put a bayonet on a stick
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Postby Esgonia » Fri Sep 25, 2015 4:15 pm

Gallia- wrote:
Austria-Bohemia-Hungary wrote:M3 Grease Gun.


What if you have more 5.56mm than 9mm or 11.43mm?

Get a cheap AR-15?
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Postby Allanea » Fri Sep 25, 2015 4:16 pm

Frankly you should have vast stockpiles of small arms built up in peacetime for situations like this.
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Postby Nachmere » Fri Sep 25, 2015 5:35 pm

the cheapest weapon to produce for something like that would be something like the STEN, basically a pipe and spring. But in any situation in which you actually produce weapons not in last ditch make shift work shops, compact rifles/carbines like the M4 are a far superior weapon to any SMG.

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Postby Husseinarti » Fri Sep 25, 2015 6:07 pm

You can make AK parts from common household items.
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Postby Nachmere » Fri Sep 25, 2015 6:13 pm

yes, but making a STEN would be easier.

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Postby North Arkana » Fri Sep 25, 2015 6:24 pm

Nachmere wrote:yes, but making a STEN would be easier.

Home Depot... or in emergencies also known as Sten Depot.
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Postby Esgonia » Fri Sep 25, 2015 6:37 pm

Husseinarti wrote:You can make AK parts from common household items.

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I can confirm that.
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Postby Purpelia » Fri Sep 25, 2015 6:37 pm

Husseinarti wrote:You can make AK parts from common household items.

Really? Do tell.
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Postby Allanea » Fri Sep 25, 2015 6:46 pm

So guys. How about using some kind of Cook robots being used to cook mass quantities of food for soldiers in the field, thus replacing military cooks and reducing logistics?
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