NS Military Realism Consultation Thread Type 08

[Roski]

Depending on your strategic position, you could have no militia whatsoever, or you could have every able bodied man with a military rifle in his home.

You could do that last one anyway

its called legalizing the weapons.

[Yuketobaniac]

should the Iraqi Army look into replacing or upgrading its aging fleet of BMP-1's? I have read that they are acquiring (or in a deal to, at least) M2 Bradley's.

Eventually.

The BMP-1 has very thin armor, the seating arrangement for the commander is weird, the Grom has a short effective range, the autoloader was bad enough that according to Zaloga the Iraqis removed it and used manual loading, and the vehicles are getting rather old.

they should get more abrams, not for replacing the bmp-1

[Questers]

Depending on your strategic position, you could have no militia whatsoever, or you could have every able bodied man with a military rifle in his home.

You could do that last one anyway

its called legalizing the weapons.

Does every American male aged 21+ have a military rifle in their home that they have undergone extensive training to use in a combat situation?

[Roski]

You could do that last one anyway

its called legalizing the weapons.

Does every American male aged 21+ have a military rifle in their home that they have undergone extensive training to use in a combat situation?

are military grade rifles easily accessible?

Pro-tip: Class 3s are very difficult to get.

Bad anaology.

[Questers]

Does every American male aged 21+ have a military rifle in their home that they have undergone extensive training to use in a combat situation?

are military grade rifles easily accessible?

Pro-tip: Class 3s are very difficult to get.

Bad anaology.

Jesus christ.

Please stop shitposting for a minute.

In Switzerland, every male who is able bodied undergoes military training and keeps his rifle (not the ammunition) in his house. He is trained with this weapon in a military training environment.

That is not the same effect as "legalizing weapons." If that doesn't make sense to you, try reading comprehension exercises. For your level, I recommend Roger Red Hat.

[Questers]

P.S. Even before gun control, the US never managed to achieve Switzerland levels of military arms ownership & proficiency.

[Roski]

are military grade rifles easily accessible?

Pro-tip: Class 3s are very difficult to get.

Bad anaology.

Jesus christ.

Please stop shitposting for a minute.

In Switzerland, every male who is able bodied undergoes military training and keeps his rifle (not the ammunition) in his house. He is trained with this weapon in a military training environment.

That is not the same effect as "legalizing weapons." If that doesn't make sense to you, try reading comprehension exercises. For your level, I recommend Roger Red Hat.

K

Well, while you put shifty snark and compare something to an absolutely neutral country I've already given the beginning step to a heavily armed country.

Check your fucking privilege

[Questers]

This thread is English only, please ensure your posts are in read-able English.

[Confederacy of Bavarian States]

P.S. Even before gun control, the US never managed to achieve Switzerland levels of military arms ownership & proficiency.

You do realize Switzerland has a population 2% the size of America's right? It's much easier to distribute rifles to a smaller population than it is to distribute to a populace of 314+ Million.

[Questers]

P.S. Even before gun control, the US never managed to achieve Switzerland levels of military arms ownership & proficiency.

You do realize Switzerland has a population 2% the size of America's right? It's much easier to distribute rifles to a smaller population than it is to distribute to a populace of 314+ Million.

I didn't say it was because the US tried and failed. It didn't even try, because it didn't need to. It could probably do it, if it wanted to, but it has a different strategic concept for defence.

[Austria-Bohemia-Hungary]

Jesus christ.

Please stop shitposting for a minute.

In Switzerland, every male who is able bodied undergoes military training and keeps his rifle (not the ammunition) in his house. He is trained with this weapon in a military training environment.

That is not the same effect as "legalizing weapons." If that doesn't make sense to you, try reading comprehension exercises. For your level, I recommend Roger Red Hat.

K

Well, while you put shifty snark and compare something to an absolutely neutral country I've already given the beginning step to a heavily armed country.

Check your fucking privilege

I hate smilies but sometimes they are appropriate, like this instance.
:palm:

[Korva]

Considerable knowledge vs abject ignorance

A battle for the soul of Mil Realism

[Scandinavian Nations]

You do realize Switzerland has a population 2% the size of America's right? It's much easier to distribute rifles to a smaller population than it is to distribute to a populace of 314+ Million.

It does take 50 times more labor and approximately 1+log 50 ~= 2.5x more time. Other than that, it's not.

The real problem with the US is the large number of disenfranchised citizens and non-citizens in its borders, who do not adhere to the nation's values and will use the weapons for purposes including but not limited to gang warfare. Whereas Switzerland is, even despite its multiple languages and origins, relatively culturally homogenic.

Plus, the Swiss model isn't "give everyone a rifle", it's "put everyone through boot camp and have them keep their weapon". Distributing the rifles is like 1% of this model's cost and effort.

[Questers]

Yes, the point isn't just that everyone has a gun, it's that they know how to use it, and behave in a military context. It is expensive, but for a solely defensive force, frankly quite cheap.

The old myth resurfaces.

Kaiser Willy visited the Swiss militia on manoeuvres in 1913. He said to a militiaman: "This is all very impressive, but what can half a million Swiss do against a million Germans?"

To which the militiaman replied: "Shoot twice and go home."

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xoHECVnQC7A

[Versail]

Depending on your strategic position, you could have no militia whatsoever, or you could have every able bodied man with a military rifle in his home.

A semi-autonomus region of a empire seperated from the rest of the empire via water.
Military junta for a government.

[Imperializt Russia]

Depending on your strategic position, you could have no militia whatsoever, or you could have every able bodied man with a military rifle in his home.

A semi-autonomus region of a empire seperated from the rest of the empire via water.
Military junta for a government.

Stop stealing my material

[Ainin]

I have a pretty trivial question.

Say, in the name Leo2A5 or M1A2, does the A actually stand for anything?

[Yukonastan]

I have a pretty trivial question.

Say, in the name Leo2A5 or M1A2, does the A actually stand for anything?

The A number (for lack of a better name) is a production or variant of the vehicle. Higher numbers indicate more recent variants or production, or older production rebuilt slash modified to the newer production's standard. It's used for keeping track of roughly what the capabilities of something are.

For example: Leopard 2 through 2A4 had the slab turrets, 2A5 on has wedge turrets.

[Laywenrania]

I have a pretty trivial question.

Say, in the name Leo2A5 or M1A2, does the A actually stand for anything?

I guess for the Leopard 2 it could mean "Ausführung" -> "model"

[Tule]

You could do that last one anyway

its called legalizing the weapons.

Does every American male aged 21+ have a military rifle in their home that they have undergone extensive training to use in a combat situation?

"So, Mr. Tea Party member, you're going to use your AR-15 to overthrow the government for being authoritarian huh?

Who is your commanding officer?"

Seriously, the people most willing to overthrow the US government tend to be the people least qualified to do so. You can't be an effective soldier if you have a problem with authority.
There is a reason why most regime changes are the result of military coups.

[Scandinavian Nations]

Seriously, the people most willing to overthrow the US government tend to be the people least qualified to do so. You can't be an effective soldier if you have a problem with authority.

That's an oversimplified way of looking at it.

The current executive branch of the US government is guilty not found so by the court, so let's say "strongly suspected" of multiple violations of the Constitution and just plain crimes as serious as feeding guns to Mexican cartels just to have them illegally imported back to use as a political point.

I wish I could say "it doesn't get worse", but that would be total bullcrap - it does get worse and from there on inevitably much worse still. Just visit our best friend Obiang, who declared himself friggin' god.

And at that point, and long before it really, it's not authority you have a problem with; it's with who holds that authority and how much of it they hold.

[Gallia-]

You do realize Switzerland has a population 2% the size of America's right? It's much easier to distribute rifles to a smaller population than it is to distribute to a populace of 314+ Million.

I didn't say it was because the US tried and failed. It didn't even try, because it didn't need to. It could probably do it, if it wanted to, but it has a different strategic concept for defence.

Every sailor a rifleman. ;_;

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Navy_Exped ... at_Command

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Seriously, the people most willing to overthrow the US government tend to be the people least qualified to do so. You can't be an effective soldier if you have a problem with authority.

That's an oversimplified way of looking at it.

The current executive branch of the US government is guilty not found so by the court, so let's say "strongly suspected" of multiple violations of the Constitution and just plain crimes as serious as feeding guns to Mexican cartels just to have them illegally imported back to use as a political point.

I wish I could say "it doesn't get worse", but that would be total bullcrap - it does get worse and from there on inevitably much worse still. Just visit our best friend Obiang, who declared himself friggin' god.

And at that point, and long before it really, it's not authority you have a problem with; it's with who holds that authority and how much of it they hold.

Now let me tell you I've read my Bible and I know the Book of Revelation by heart.

Obama is the Antichrist and Netanyahu is his False Prophet.

[United Marxist Nations]

Eventually.

The BMP-1 has very thin armor, the seating arrangement for the commander is weird, the Grom has a short effective range, the autoloader was bad enough that according to Zaloga the Iraqis removed it and used manual loading, and the vehicles are getting rather old.

they should get more abrams, not for replacing the bmp-1

They are already getting more Abrams. But most conflicts today are mostly infantry, so having a military capable of engaging and supporting primarily infantry engagements effectively is a good thing. Tanks can accomplish that, but have sort of evolved to absorb the niche of the tank destroyer as well. Now, it may be cheaper to just refurbish and rearm (replace the gun on the BMP-1 with a more modern weapon), but I do know Iraq is already negotiating for some M2 Bradley's, which is probably a good idea.

[Husseinarti]

Seriously, the people most willing to overthrow the US government tend to be the people least qualified to do so. You can't be an effective soldier if you have a problem with authority.

That's an oversimplified way of looking at it.

The current executive branch of the US government is guilty not found so by the court, so let's say "strongly suspected" of multiple violations of the Constitution and just plain crimes as serious as feeding guns to Mexican cartels just to have them illegally imported back to use as a political point.

I wish I could say "it doesn't get worse", but that would be total bullcrap - it does get worse and from there on inevitably much worse still. Just visit our best friend Obiang, who declared himself friggin' god.

And at that point, and long before it really, it's not authority you have a problem with; it's with who holds that authority and how much of it they hold.

>MIL realism
>Conservativeism

[Elan Valleys]

Depending on your strategic position, you could have no militia whatsoever, or you could have every able bodied man with a military rifle in his home.

You could do that last one anyway

its called legalizing the weapons.

Having the weapons is the easy part.