Infantry Discussion Thread 6: True Korea Edition

[Radicchio]

Are squad level snipers a good idea? Well, more along the lines of designated marksmen, with a not!M76 or something rather than an actual sniper, but should I do this at squad level?

Squad level DMR is fine, sniper is probably pushing it. Snipers are more of a battalion asset.

Why?

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[Imperializt Russia]

What we in the west would consider a "sniper" is a wholly superfluous asset for a mechanised infantry squad.
They are typically stationed at company and more frequently battalion levels.

[Radicchio]

What we in the west would consider a "sniper" is a wholly superfluous asset for a mechanised infantry squad.
They are typically stationed at company and more frequently battalion levels.

is that because they are expensive to train? ineffective on the battlefield? too specialized to field? or all of the above?

[Korva]

Squad level DMR is fine, sniper is probably pushing it. Snipers are more of a battalion asset.

Why?

squad leaders dont have the autonomy or scope of mission to require sniper teams

they are responsible for like 300m in every direction from their position and little else

[Yukonastan]

Squad level DMR is fine, sniper is probably pushing it. Snipers are more of a battalion asset.

Why?

A sniper's job is to sneak around and harass your enemy, a marksman's job is to stay with the squad and touch things beyond the effective range of battle rifles.

[Bratislavskaya]

Are squad level snipers a good idea? Well, more along the lines of designated marksmen, with a not!M76 or something rather than an actual sniper, but should I do this at squad level?

Squad level DMR is fine, sniper is probably pushing it. Snipers are more of a battalion asset.

Will do then. Should I give them a not!M76/ not!Tabuk or a PSL like thing?

[Imperializt Russia]

They are a highly specialised asset who, at the level of the infantry squad, are not much more effective than marksmen - well-drilled riflemen with specialist rifles.
"Snipers" are probably best served as FO groups for air and artillery, would be useful as reconnaissance units (the USMC call them scout-snipers, after all) and for engaging specialist targets of opportunity.

Think of it this way, a Soviet mechanised infantry battalion had about 27 infantry squads of motor riflemen.
Either you can issue this battalion a high-capability sniper unit, or you can issue that to all 27 squads.

As it happened, the Soviets instead had one marksman per platoon (of three squads), replacing one rifleman with an SVD-equipped specialist.
On occasion, the number of SVDs has flitted between one and about six, in Afghanistan. Two would probably not be uncommon.

[Laywenrania]

What we in the west would consider a "sniper" is a wholly superfluous asset for a mechanised infantry squad.
They are typically stationed at company and more frequently battalion levels.

is that because they are expensive to train? ineffective on the battlefield? too specialized to field? or all of the above?

A "Sniper" is usually trained for sneaking into enemy territory, killing about one high-value target and getting away. (or something similar)
They're not exactly for marching in a line with your other infantry men

[Celibrae]

Hello everyone!

I have been wondering about what people think of this rather under appreciated system:

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/FÉLIN

[Bratislavskaya]

Hello everyone!

I have been wondering about what people think of this rather under appreciated system:

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/FÉLIN

The letter F? That is what it links me to.

[Yukonastan]

Hello everyone!

I have been wondering about what people think of this rather under appreciated system:

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/FÉLIN

The letter F? That is what it links me to.

French future warrior system.

[Imperializt Russia]

If your url has punctuation in it, just use the [url] code for simpleness.

[Nirvash Type TheEND]

Boston Dynamics now has a terrifying robot dog in teacup variety.

[Celibrae]

Hello everyone!

I have been wondering about what people think of this rather under appreciated system:

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/FÉLIN

The letter F? That is what it links me to.

No, the link doesn't work with url tags because wikipedia hates me.

There is something wrong with that specific page.

[Imperializt Russia]

It does work with url tags.
If you post the link on its own, then when NS tries to parse it automatically, it gets to the accented e (a special character) and assumes the link stops there because it doesn't expect it. It also does it for things like underscores, some dashes and other characters.

The url tag forces it to parse the link as-written, including special characters.

[Yukonastan]

Hello everyone!

I have been wondering about what people think of this rather under appreciated system:

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/FELIN

Fify. Without the accent it'll redirect to with the accent.

[Bratislavskaya]

The letter F? That is what it links me to.

French future warrior system.

I am aware of FELIN, it's just that link sends me to the Wikipedia page for the letter F.

[Nirvash Type TheEND]

jfc

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[Imperializt Russia]

French future warrior system.

I am aware of FELIN, it's just that link sends me to the Wikipedia page for the letter F.

You'll note that the url stops parsing at the special character (accented e) and posts the remainder as plain text.
Since there is a wikipedia page ending in "/wiki/F", it sends you to that page. Else you'd get a 404 or "couldn't find that" page.

[Celibrae]

I know how to post links everyone! I just wasn't sure why FELIN itself didn't work with either URL tags. Thank you all (most of you) for your (semi) constructive comments...

[Puzikas]

By now its the standard. VOG-25 is even being phased out by a more effective jumping round at this point.

I imagine it was still quite something in the mid 90s though, yes?

Correct, there are no true HEDP grenades for the GP-25, it is, in a sense, a dedicated FRAG and OS thrower. A standard motorized dismount actually had 10 RPG-7 shots, which actually covered the LAV destruction: Use the 30mm or 14.5x114 on the BTR, or hit it with a HEAT round.

So it is as I suspected and the GP-25 is a largely antu-infantry weapon. I suppose that also explains why RPG-7 grenadiers don't carry fragmentation rockets.

It was a godsend at times.

RPG gunners do carry Frag rockets, just not often.

While reading about the different bolt action systems, the Enfield, Mauser and Mosin system seem to have differences in the design, but in "performance" they seem to be all pretty close.

Now does any of the three has remarkable advantages over others or is it "choose whatever you want because they're more or less equal"?

Mosin; More rugged bolt, cheaper to produce. Slower and less smooth action.

Enfeild: Fast, smooth bolt with a god complex. Cock on close, less reliable and less rugged than Mauser or Mosin style bolt.

Mauser: Most influential bolt of all time. Ideally rugged, cost effective, smooth and able to handle pressure from a large number of calibers.

The later. Although if you want my advice I am going to say neither. The best system is the strait-pull used by the Schmidt-Rubin series of rifles.

You mean Colonel Adolf Furrer, right? He designed the K-31 action, not Mr. Rudolf Schmidt. Schmidts actions were nice but they were long and complex. The K-31 is a vast improvement, which is why I consider the K-31 the best military bolt rifle of the era, but not its predecessors.

Would a straigth pull system have any major drawbacks (esp. regarding reliability in muddy/swampy conditions)?

Aka why aren't they more widespread?

Scope mounting issues and general complexity.

Are squad level snipers a good idea? Well, more along the lines of designated marksmen, with a not!M76 or something rather than an actual sniper, but should I do this at squad level?

Assuming you are using Sniper in the western way, no.

If you are using it in the eastern way, they tend to be a more platoon level asset, generally one or two per unit. The most I have ever actually seen was four, with one in each squad and the platoons Assistant Command as a Sniper.

I believe it was a special missions platoon.

Boston Dynamics now has a terrifying robot dog in teacup variety.

See Spot Nope.

When it got to stairs I said "please don't let it go up the stairs"
Then it went up the stairs.

Knowing these are only ~60 miles from me deferentially justifies my ownership of my various 7.62 rifles.

I know how to post links everyone! I just wasn't sure why FELIN itself didn't work with either URL tags. Thank you all (most of you) for your (semi) constructive comments...

The FELIN is kind of cool.
Would be better if not on FAMAS.

[Imperializt Russia]

I imagine it was still quite something in the mid 90s though, yes?



So it is as I suspected and the GP-25 is a largely antu-infantry weapon. I suppose that also explains why RPG-7 grenadiers don't carry fragmentation rockets.

It was a godsend at times.

RPG gunners do carry Frag rockets, just not often.

I can't help but think that a HEDP VOG would be immensely useful, if just for engaging targets in buildings. The spallation effect behind the barrier can be quite impressive with good design.

[Puzikas]

certainly so. Maybe they have in the last few years; I do not know of it however

[Immoren]

I guess It's due to some strange western influence or something, but I've noticed that in Finnish texts, while previously here term "tarkka-ampuja" has previously used to refer both "sniper" and "designated marksman", recently word "tukiampuja" has replaced "tarkka-ampuja" when referring to "member of infantry squad with enhancing optics".

Short dictionary-
Tarkka-ampuja=sharpshooter="sniper"
tuki-ampuja=support shooter/gunner="designated marksman"

[Nirvash Type TheEND]

Boston Dynamics now has a terrifying robot dog in teacup variety.

See Spot Nope.

When it got to stairs I said "please don't let it go up the stairs"
Then it went up the stairs.

Knowing these are only ~60 miles from me deferentially justifies my ownership of my various 7.62 rifles.

Something something skynet.