Military Ground Vehicles of Your Nation [NO MECHS] Mark 8

[Gallia-]

There are like 10 T-84s they probably just sit in a parking lot.

T-64s tended (or still) to pop.

https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/653 ... ot-t64.jpg
https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/653 ... 64-ial.jpg

Why does that second tank look like it has a T-55 turret?

I'm seeing a T-64B turret.

How do armies which use ERA on their AFVs deal with ERA being dangerous to nearby infantry? It kinds negates any possibility of tanks and infantry working closely together, no?

By not using them on vehicles which are going to operate very close to infantry.

Generally, this is all vehicles tbh. Infantry tend to be tens of meters away from a given AFV when dismounted and assaulting, since tanks or IFVs will sit in a place and provide a base of fire rather than run them over with their tracks or whatever.

[Orussia]

Why does that second tank look like it has a T-55 turret?

I'm seeing a T-64B turret.

Hmmm...the front curves look wrong, but the gunner's and commander's sights are where they should be.
Might just be the perspective.

[The Akasha Colony]

How do armies which use ERA on their AFVs deal with ERA being dangerous to nearby infantry? It kinds negates any possibility of tanks and infantry working closely together, no?

In addition to the above, a missile or RPG strike will probably cause a larger explosion than the ERA tile going off, so it won't be the ERA that's the biggest hazard to infantry.

[Prosorusiya]

Thanks for the feedback guys. The tread I found discussed the problems with the era tiles being a hazard to the APC which is why I asked. Slat armor for everybody then: cheap and effective. New questions: trying to upgrade\uparm my old BTR-60 and -152 APCs.

Konkors, Recoiless Rifle ala Joker, or late model SCALOS Sagger? Could any be mounted, therotectically speaking, on these APCs?

Also, Smoke Grenade dispensers? Y/N?

[Gallia-]

Thanks for the feedback guys. The tread I found discussed the problems with the era tiles being a hazard to the APC which is why I asked. Slat armor for everybody then: cheap and effective. New questions: trying to upgrade\uparm my old BTR-60 and -152 APCs.

Konkors, Recoiless Rifle ala Joker, or late model SCALOS Sagger? Could any be mounted, therotectically speaking, on these APCs?

There exist BTR turrets with ATGW. Presumably they're drop in replacements, but I don't know much of anything about BTR differences.

I'm not sure if any have Saggers though.

[Prosorusiya]

Cool, I'll have to look into that. Should that mod be on every vehicle or just AT platoons?

The BTR-152 is pretty old school, so I might have to get creative with it, possibly mount an auto grenade launcher instead. I know it carried a Sagger in East Germany, but only the man portable version.

Are smoke grenade dispensers are good upgrade to spring for?

[Eisarn-Ara]

Slightly on topic here, but I've recently been informed about the "2B9 Vasilek" by Orussia and absolutely love the damn thing.

If possible, could I mount an equivalent or "NOT"-style expy of the 2B9 into a vehicle turret?

This would be for use in an M44 APC Expy with some spaced armor and/or Schürzen slapped onto it to use in a recently plotted out WW3 Equivalent in the 50s (Cupola mounted HMG in a domestically produced caliber?)IRL Cupolas suc;, so I've heard, but, well, hey they were all the rage in years prior, right?)

[Questers]

Yes, definitely. It was done irl, on an MT-LB.

[Korva]

Day 15, the yankee imperialists still believe I am an MBT-70

[Imperializt Russia]

Trials were even conducted mounting the 2B9 on a Humvee flatbed.
Though that was for EOD purposes, not as a SP mortar.

What say you to fitting ERA to the outside of slat amour? It's been done in Ukraine on BTR-80s, but what about older vehicles like the BTR-60?

Its like wearing your underwear iver your pants.

Yeah, but how many STIs did Superman ever catch?

Ukraine is so last year. All the lolz will come from Syria now.

Are there any ground operations believed to be going on or is it just an air campaign the Russians are putting on?

[Eisarn-Ara]

Yes, definitely. It was done irl, on an MT-LB.

Trials were even conducted mounting the 2B9 on a Humvee flatbed.
Though that was for EOD purposes, not as a SP mortar.

Awesome! thanks guys, hey, any advice on what to half-assedly steal & tweak for the turret basis?

[Purpelia]

Yes, definitely. It was done irl, on an MT-LB.

Trials were even conducted mounting the 2B9 on a Humvee flatbed.
Though that was for EOD purposes, not as a SP mortar.

Awesome! thanks guys, hey, any advice on what to half-assedly steal & tweak for the turret basis?

Just do what I did and go crazy. Take your standard IFV turret, put one of those in and than convert it to use an autoloader.

[Eisarn-Ara]

Awesome! thanks guys, hey, any advice on what to half-assedly steal & tweak for the turret basis?

Just do what I did and go crazy. Take your standard IFV turret, put one of those in and than convert it to use an autoloader.

Frankly, at this point, I am considering a DuK88 style revolving magazine fitted under the gun (just ram in a four or five round revolving enbloc or whatever) with an ejection chute going somewhere (semi-cased mortar projectiles of the 85mm or 92mm persuasion in regard to caliber) or some sort of positively obscene belt feed mechanism (of which, might I add, the belts might be a liability to the crew due to the "clunk factor").


All things considered, this caddywhompus mechanical abomination went off the deep end a ways back (conceptually speaking).

[Prosorusiya]

Trials were even conducted mounting the 2B9 on a Humvee flatbed.
Though that was for EOD purposes, not as a SP mortar.

Its like wearing your underwear iver your pants.

Yeah, but how many STIs did Superman ever catch?

Ukraine is so last year. All the lolz will come from Syria now.

Are there any ground operations believed to be going on or is it just an air campaign the Russians are putting on?

Putin claims he will avoid land operations, so mostly ari for now. Plenty to ground equipment coming in on ships from the Black Sea fleet as aid though.

Are smoke grenade launchers a good feature for APCs? Also, how much bar armor should I put on my APCs, because Ive seen everything from critical areas only to near full encasement.

From this:http://www.fototime.com/A54FE07AE7D5560/orig.jpg

To this:
http://ic.pics.livejournal.com/andrei_bt/18425682/189110/189110_900.jpg

Also are there any good texts on APC tactics? I'm less than familiar, so shall we say.

[Imperializt Russia]

Smoke grenade launchers can provide concealment for the vehicle, for the dismounts, or (if they're hefty), blast them towards the ATGM team who will be your primary threat so they can't really shoot at anything.

All-round cage armour will massively increase the weight of the vehicle. It's a tradeoff you're willing to make.

[Allanea]

All around cage armor will also limit the capability of the infantry to rapidly enter and exit the vehicle.

[Orussia]

All around cage armor will also limit the capability of the infantry to rapidly enter and exit the vehicle.

>not making your infantry use the bars of the cage armor to ride desant

That said, if you have a rear entrance/exit on your APC/IFV, you could probably just cage in the other three sides of the vehicle and be fine.

[New Vihenia]

i wonder if smokes or battlefield obscurants will provide effective measure against top attack munitions.
So far i haven't seen "upward facing" hardkill APS.

[Orussia]

i wonder if smokes or battlefield obscurants will provide effective measure against top attack munitions.
So far i haven't seen "upward facing" hardkill APS.

Not even the vertical Afghanit launchers on the prototype Armata turrets?
#4 on this image.

[New Vihenia]

Not even the vertical Afghanit launchers on the prototype Armata turrets?

Is that launcher firing the same grenade as one located around the turret ?

From what i see so far.. it seems the hardkill portion of Afghanit at T-14 and T-15 are those "large grenades" while the one mounted within the small multi launch "turret" and those mounted in upward firing launchers are battlefield obscurants.

[Orussia]

Not even the vertical Afghanit launchers on the prototype Armata turrets?

Is that launcher firing the same grenade as one located around the turret ?

From what i see so far.. it seems the hardkill portion of Afghanit at T-14 and T-15 are those "large grenades" while the one mounted within the small multi launch "turret" and those mounted in upward firing launchers are battlefield obscurants.

Huh. I actually thought they were both hardkill systems. The large tubes for LRPs and other heavy shells, the smaller trainable launchers for RPGs and their ilk, and the fixed vertical launchers for dealing with top-attack munitions.

Could be wrong, though. Wouldn't be the first time.

[Korva]

All around cage armor will also limit the capability of the infantry to rapidly enter and exit the vehicle.

>not making your infantry use the bars of the cage armor to ride desant

That said, if you have a rear entrance/exit on your APC/IFV, you could probably just cage in the other three sides of the vehicle and be fine.

you can also cage the ramp

[Imperializt Russia]

Well, anything LOBL won't see the target and anything that overflies a target rather than a "top attack" will also struggle to be in the right place to deploy a payload. So it will certainly have an effect. The only way to defeat a smokescreen between the weapon and target, even with top attack, will be a smart weapon that can autonomous detect, find, target and engage a target without human control, or possibly a TV-guided missile.

[Spirit of Hope]

i wonder if smokes or battlefield obscurants will provide effective measure against top attack munitions.
So far i haven't seen "upward facing" hardkill APS.

Yes they do, because it obscures the vehicle from the team firing the top attack munition, who then can't get a lock on the vehicle to launch their munitions, and the smoke will obscure the whole vehicle in cases where the munition has already been launched.

[Transvaal Vrystaat]

All around cage armor will also limit the capability of the infantry to rapidly enter and exit the vehicle.

>not making your infantry use the bars of the cage armor to ride desant.

>not using infantry as applique armor