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Postby New Visegrad » Sat Jan 31, 2015 2:43 pm

Would it be reasonable for a tank designed in the late 2000s/early 2010s to be able to laser guide its shells?
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Postby Laywenrania » Sat Jan 31, 2015 2:47 pm

New Visegrad wrote:Would it be reasonable for a tank designed in the late 2000s/early 2010s to be able to laser guide its shells?

I assume you don't mean ATGMs?
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Postby Yukonastan » Sat Jan 31, 2015 2:49 pm

Hull length: 8.52 m

Height inc equipment: 3.25 m
Height w/o equipment: 2.67 m

Gun fwd length as pictured: 10.08 m

Width: 4.59 m


Copperhead shells are for arty.
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New Visegrad
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Postby New Visegrad » Sat Jan 31, 2015 2:51 pm

Laywenrania wrote:
New Visegrad wrote:Would it be reasonable for a tank designed in the late 2000s/early 2010s to be able to laser guide its shells?

I assume you don't mean ATGMs?

No, I mean regular shells - with just enough tracking to follow a laser dot painted by the firing tank. Modern tank rounds have stabilization fins anyway, I don't think it's a huge stretch to assume they could be used for minor course changes.
Unless it is. Hence the question.
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Postby Laywenrania » Sat Jan 31, 2015 2:58 pm

New Visegrad wrote:
Laywenrania wrote:I assume you don't mean ATGMs?

No, I mean regular shells - with just enough tracking to follow a laser dot painted by the firing tank. Modern tank rounds have stabilization fins anyway, I don't think it's a huge stretch to assume they could be used for minor course changes.
Unless it is. Hence the question.

The problem I see is, that modern APDS is just a metal rod. How do you want to slap guidance into it? (and steering. etc)
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Postby Fordorsia » Sat Jan 31, 2015 3:03 pm

I'd think APDS is too accurate and powerful and optics are too good for it to even need to be guided.
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Postby New Visegrad » Sat Jan 31, 2015 3:08 pm

Laywenrania wrote:
New Visegrad wrote:No, I mean regular shells - with just enough tracking to follow a laser dot painted by the firing tank. Modern tank rounds have stabilization fins anyway, I don't think it's a huge stretch to assume they could be used for minor course changes.
Unless it is. Hence the question.

The problem I see is, that modern APDS is just a metal rod. How do you want to slap guidance into it? (and steering. etc)

I figured a small sensor on the front and minimal cased wires on the outside leading to fins.

Fordorsia wrote:I'd think APDS is too accurate and powerful and optics are too good for it to even need to be guided.

Then I probably won't do it. It was just a thought.
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Postby The Akasha Colony » Sat Jan 31, 2015 3:22 pm

New Visegrad wrote:
Laywenrania wrote:I assume you don't mean ATGMs?

No, I mean regular shells - with just enough tracking to follow a laser dot painted by the firing tank. Modern tank rounds have stabilization fins anyway, I don't think it's a huge stretch to assume they could be used for minor course changes.
Unless it is. Hence the question.


The fins on modern APFSDS are fixed in place, so they don't move. You could possibly fit an actuator in there though. Guided shells have been considered, but often this is to allow BLOS engagement or attacks on concealed targets. And tanks already have very good accuracy against anything they can see.
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Postby Petrokovia » Sat Jan 31, 2015 3:34 pm

Yukonastan wrote:Hull length: 8.52 m

Height inc equipment: 3.25 m
Height w/o equipment: 2.67 m

Gun fwd length as pictured: 10.08 m

Width: 4.59 m


Copperhead shells are for arty.

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Postby New Vihenia » Sat Jan 31, 2015 3:36 pm

I want to put quadcopter on ma tank 4 Blos sighting :3

to make it simple though.. The quadcopter only carrying sensors, power will be generated off board and delivered via cable. All processing will mostly be done from the tank. It won't be fly high.. Maybe 5-10 meters at max.
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Postby New Visegrad » Sat Jan 31, 2015 7:06 pm

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Postby Mizrad » Sat Jan 31, 2015 9:28 pm

New Visegrad wrote:
Laywenrania wrote:The problem I see is, that modern APDS is just a metal rod. How do you want to slap guidance into it? (and steering. etc)

I figured a small sensor on the front and minimal cased wires on the outside leading to fins.

Fordorsia wrote:I'd think APDS is too accurate and powerful and optics are too good for it to even need to be guided.

Then I probably won't do it. It was just a thought.


You probably could do but it would be ridiculously expensive and like what has already been said, there's already things out there that do the same thing just as well if not better.
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Postby Korva » Sat Jan 31, 2015 9:30 pm

New Vihenia wrote:I want to put quadcopter on ma tank 4 Blos sighting :3

to make it simple though.. The quadcopter only carrying sensors, power will be generated off board and delivered via cable. All processing will mostly be done from the tank. It won't be fly high.. Maybe 5-10 meters at max.

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Postby Vancon » Sun Feb 01, 2015 12:16 am

Here's my next attempt at a good MBT.
Queen Models I, II and III, the latter two having been up-armored.

So far, as a stat block, they are all about 10m long, have a 7.62 coaxial gun, a 130mm cannon, a 20mm RWS (not sure if I have enough daka yet, so shush) There will be the usual 3 person crew, and the usual assortment of radios and whatnot.
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Postby Laywenrania » Sun Feb 01, 2015 2:58 am

Vancon wrote:Here's my next attempt at a good MBT.
Queen Models I, II and III, the latter two having been up-armored.

So far, as a stat block, they are all about 10m long, have a 7.62 coaxial gun, a 130mm cannon, a 20mm RWS (not sure if I have enough daka yet, so shush) There will be the usual 3 person crew, and the usual assortment of radios and whatnot.


I assume the bricks in the middle row are ERA?
I would cut them a bit, so they start higher, you get trouble passing through rough terrain imho. Same with the rear SLAT-block.
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Postby Eldslandet » Sun Feb 01, 2015 3:47 am

Vancon wrote:Here's my next attempt at a good MBT.
Queen Models I, II and III, the latter two having been up-armored.

So far, as a stat block, they are all about 10m long, have a 7.62 coaxial gun, a 130mm cannon, a 20mm RWS (not sure if I have enough daka yet, so shush) There will be the usual 3 person crew, and the usual assortment of radios and whatnot.

The turret looks like it would be cramped and it would lack decent elevation and depression. Otherwise it appears ok

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Postby New Vihenia » Sun Feb 01, 2015 5:01 am

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Well that's only good for sneak peak at some girls :p
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Postby Stahn » Sun Feb 01, 2015 5:55 am

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Type: Second Generation Main Battle Tank
Place of Origin: United Provinces of New Korongo

Designer: Louden Arnjao (Louden Arms), Mimenter Rer Dertaha (Ministry of Defence)
Designed: 1961 - 1965
Manufacturer: Louden Arnjao
Produced: 1966 - 1988
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In Service: 1966 - 1992 (Regular Forces) 1989 - Present (Provincial Guard)

Weight: 48 t (52.91 Short Tons)
Overall Length: 10.14 m (33.27 ft)
Hull Length: 7.35 m (24.11 ft)
Width: 3.65 m (11.98 ft)
Height: 2.62 m (8.60 ft)
Ground Clearance: 0.52 m (1.71 ft)

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  • 7.62 mm (0.30 in) FN MAG 60.20 Machine Gun (1,100 Rounds)
  • 12.7 mm (0.50 in) L6 Ranging Gun (700 Rounds)
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Postby Elan Valleys » Sun Feb 01, 2015 6:06 am

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Postby Imperializt Russia » Sun Feb 01, 2015 8:38 am

Eldslandet wrote:could I use carbon nanotubes instead of steel for armour?

No.

Put simply.
Carbon nanotubes are in no way suitable as a steel replacement. Think of steel armour as the "chassis" of the armour, to which more exotic materials and components are added.
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Postby The Akasha Colony » Sun Feb 01, 2015 9:21 am

Vancon wrote:Here's my next attempt at a good MBT.
Queen Models I, II and III, the latter two having been up-armored.

So far, as a stat block, they are all about 10m long, have a 7.62 coaxial gun, a 130mm cannon, a 20mm RWS (not sure if I have enough daka yet, so shush) There will be the usual 3 person crew, and the usual assortment of radios and whatnot.


As Laywenrania mentioned, the skirt on the center column goes too low to the ground; even a slight bump to the wheels will make it scrape the ground. IMO, gun tube still looks a bit thin and has quite a hefty taper.
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Postby San-Silvacian » Sun Feb 01, 2015 9:44 am

New Visegrad wrote:Would it be reasonable for a tank designed in the late 2000s/early 2010s to be able to laser guide its shells?


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