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Postby Triplebaconation » Fri Jan 30, 2015 6:27 pm

Korva wrote:just as flawed :(

oreos are the marriage of two wafer cookies and a single dab of cream

it stands to reason that a dessert item composed of two cookies + cream could easily be more delicious than mere cookies


Or is it? Dorchester is an evolution of Burlington with a dab of "heavy element." Both are Chobham armors, as it's a generic term for complex multilayer armor derived from research at FVRDE Chobham.
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Postby Gallia- » Fri Jan 30, 2015 6:30 pm

Triplebaconation wrote:
Gallia- wrote:
He should use .308 Winchester too, I heard that was designed and tested to beat 7.62x51mm.


Wow, what a flawed analogy. Typical. A better one would be "Oreos are more delicious than cookies."


Pictured, Chobham Armour:

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Postby Doppio Giudici » Fri Jan 30, 2015 6:54 pm

How much would a T-55 cost now? How would I learn this information?

What about T-72?
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Postby Korva » Fri Jan 30, 2015 6:59 pm

Depends on what model and who you are buying from but I think generally T-72's go for $1.5-2 million.

Anyone buying T-55's in 2015 better be getting them for pennies.

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Postby Doppio Giudici » Fri Jan 30, 2015 7:04 pm

So if I can find a way to get an T-55 up to T-72 quality, without making it cost as much, I am in the green zone.

To bad I already found a way to fix the T-62 and make it scary....

Are the rockets that are fired out of T series tanks, be more effective over sabot? Would it be better out of a western tank?
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Postby Korva » Fri Jan 30, 2015 7:10 pm

Doppio Giudici wrote:Are the rockets that are fired out of T series tanks, be more effective over sabot? Would it be better out of a western tank?

Not really, GLATGM's have a long hang time in which your vehicle is exposed and not firing at any other targets. Plus a few ATGM shots cost more than the entire tank if it is a T-62 or T-55.

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Petnagonia
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Postby Petnagonia » Fri Jan 30, 2015 7:12 pm

Can anyone recommend a good air defense missile system, preferably eastern.

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Postby Yukonastan » Fri Jan 30, 2015 7:15 pm

Petnagonia wrote:Can anyone recommend a good air defense missile system, preferably eastern.


Take a look at the Buk if you expect to engage mainly commercial airliners, with the Tunguska being the layer underneath that.
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Postby New Korongo » Fri Jan 30, 2015 7:19 pm

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I210 Lenga Main Battle Tank


Type: Second Generation Main Battle Tank
Place of Origin: United Provinces of New Korongo

Designer: Louden Arnjao (Louden Arms), Mimenter Rer Dertaha (Ministry of Defence)
Designed: 1961 - 1965
Manufacturer: Louden Arnjao
Produced: 1966 - 1988
Number Built: Over 80,000 (All Tank Variants)
In Service: 1966 - 1992 (Regular Forces) 1989 - Present (Provincial Guard)

Weight: 48 t (52.91 Short Tons)
Overall Length: 10.14 m (33.27 ft)
Hull Length: 7.35 m (24.11 ft)
Width: 3.65 m (11.98 ft)
Height: 2.62 m (8.60 ft)
Ground Clearance: 0.52 m (1.71 ft)

Crew: 4 (Commander, Gunner, Loader, Driver)
Passengers: None
Armour: Cast Homogeneous Steel
Armament:
  • 105 mm (4.13 in) EAF-4-48 Rifled Tank Gun (60 Rounds)
  • 7.62 mm (0.30 in) FN MAG 60.40 Coaxial Machine Gun (2,500 Rounds)
  • 7.62 mm (0.30 in) FN MAG 60.20 Machine Gun (1,100 Rounds)
  • 12.7 mm (0.50 in) L6 Ranging Gun (700 Rounds)
Engine: Louden Arnjao V12(L)750-T Water-Cooled Twin-Turbocharged Diesel Engine
Engine Power: 541 kW (725 hp)
Power/Weight Ratio: 11.27 kW/t (13.7 hp/ton)
Transmission: FKM H95/5 Semi-Automatic Transmission (3 Forward and 1 Reverse Ranges)
Suspension: Torsion Bar
Operational Range: 480 km (298.26 mi)
Speed: Road - 52 km/h (32.31 mph), Off-Road - 30 km/h (18.64 mph)

Operators:
  • Korongolese Army
  • Royal Marine Corps
Wars:
  • Great Minh War

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Postby Padnak » Fri Jan 30, 2015 7:26 pm

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Postby Petnagonia » Fri Jan 30, 2015 7:27 pm

Yukonastan wrote:
Petnagonia wrote:Can anyone recommend a good air defense missile system, preferably eastern.


Take a look at the Buk if you expect to engage mainly commercial airliners, with the Tunguska being the layer underneath that.


Got it, thanks.

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Postby San-Silvacian » Fri Jan 30, 2015 7:53 pm

New Korongo wrote:
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I210 Lenga Main Battle Tank


Type: Second Generation Main Battle Tank
Place of Origin: United Provinces of New Korongo

Designer: Louden Arnjao (Louden Arms), Mimenter Rer Dertaha (Ministry of Defence)
Designed: 1961 - 1965
Manufacturer: Louden Arnjao
Produced: 1966 - 1988
Number Built: Over 80,000 (All Tank Variants)
In Service: 1966 - 1992 (Regular Forces) 1989 - Present (Provincial Guard)

Weight: 48 t (52.91 Short Tons)
Overall Length: 10.14 m (33.27 ft)
Hull Length: 7.35 m (24.11 ft)
Width: 3.65 m (11.98 ft)
Height: 2.62 m (8.60 ft)
Ground Clearance: 0.52 m (1.71 ft)

Crew: 4 (Commander, Gunner, Loader, Driver)
Passengers: None
Armour: Cast Homogeneous Steel
Armament:
  • 105 mm (4.13 in) EAF-4-48 Rifled Tank Gun (60 Rounds)
  • 7.62 mm (0.30 in) FN MAG 60.40 Coaxial Machine Gun (2,500 Rounds)
  • 7.62 mm (0.30 in) FN MAG 60.20 Machine Gun (1,100 Rounds)
  • 12.7 mm (0.50 in) L6 Ranging Gun (700 Rounds)
Engine: Louden Arnjao V12(L)750-T Water-Cooled Twin-Turbocharged Diesel Engine
Engine Power: 541 kW (725 hp)
Power/Weight Ratio: 11.27 kW/t (13.7 hp/ton)
Transmission: FKM H95/5 Semi-Automatic Transmission (3 Forward and 1 Reverse Ranges)
Suspension: Torsion Bar
Operational Range: 480 km (298.26 mi)
Speed: Road - 52 km/h (32.31 mph), Off-Road - 30 km/h (18.64 mph)

Operators:
  • Korongolese Army
  • Royal Marine Corps
Wars:
  • Great Minh War


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Postby Vancon » Fri Jan 30, 2015 10:15 pm

Can someone link me Novo's new tracks list thing?
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Postby Thunbergia » Fri Jan 30, 2015 11:09 pm

Petnagonia wrote:Can anyone recommend a good air defense missile system, preferably eastern.


South african work?
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Umkhonto GBL


Thunberg Dynamics Umkonto
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New Vihenia
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Postby New Vihenia » Sat Jan 31, 2015 12:01 am

Tule wrote:
This is a pretty vague question so here's a pretty vague answer:

1st layer: Boron plastic for spall/radiation protection
2nd layer: Hardened steel base armor.
3rd layer: Glass reinforced plastic
4th layer: Alumina encased in an aluminium honeycomb structure.
5th layer: Outer steel layer.
IIRC that's pretty much the kind of composite armor found on the T-80


Will all of those fit into around 1m length of space ? That's what typically available for turret mantlet.
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Postby Vancon » Sat Jan 31, 2015 2:16 am

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WIP MBT

Very heavily influenced by thistank made by AM.
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The balkens wrote:Please tell me that condoms and Hazelnut spread are NOT on the same table.

Well what the fuck do you use for lube?

Krazakistan wrote:How have you not died after being exposed to that much shit on a monthly basis?
Rupudska wrote:I avoid NSG like one would avoid ISIS-occupied Syria.
Alimeria- wrote:I'll go to sleep when I want to, not when some cheese-eating surrender monkey tells me to.

Which just so happens to be within the next half-hour

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Postby The Kievan People » Sat Jan 31, 2015 2:24 am

Scale :(
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Postby Vancon » Sat Jan 31, 2015 2:35 am

The Kievan People wrote:Scale :(

1 px to 1 cm. this means that she is about as big as an Abrams, and it's currently rocking a 130 or 120 mm cannon.
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Rupudska wrote:I avoid NSG like one would avoid ISIS-occupied Syria.
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Which just so happens to be within the next half-hour

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Postby Triplebaconation » Sat Jan 31, 2015 2:37 am

I don't think he meant :( as a question mark.
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Postby Laywenrania » Sat Jan 31, 2015 2:51 am

Petnagonia wrote:Can anyone recommend a good air defense missile system, preferably eastern.

For which range?

Buk/Kub, Osa, Strela, S-300/S-400/etc
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Postby Chudovska » Sat Jan 31, 2015 3:39 am

the za rodinu tank is pictur below

it can of swimming and fly to kill the enemy cetnik and the evil capitaleezt.

very good tank

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Postby Imperializt Russia » Sat Jan 31, 2015 5:00 am

That picture is lovely.
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Postby Adurnak » Sat Jan 31, 2015 5:11 am

This could be interesting to do...
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Postby Purpelia » Sat Jan 31, 2015 5:18 am

Wasn't this pretty much the plan for Sea Lion?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Sea_Lion#Tauchpanzer

The Tauchpanzer or deep-wading tank (also referred to as the U-Panzer or Unterwasser Panzer) was a standard Panzer III or Panzer IV medium tank with its hull made completely waterproof by sealing all sighting ports, hatches and air intakes with tape or caulk. The gap between the turret and hull was sealed with an inflatable hose while the main gun mantlet, commander’s cupola and radio operator’s machine gun were given special rubber coverings. Once the tank reached the shore, all covers and seals could be blown off via explosive cables, enabling normal combat operation.

Fresh air for both the crew and engine was drawn into the tank via an 18m long rubber hose to which a float was attached to keep one end above the water’s surface. A radio antenna was also attached to the float to provide communication between the tank crew and the transport barge. The tank's engine was converted to be cooled with seawater, and the exhaust pipes were fitted with over-pressure valves. Any water seeping into the tank's hull could be expelled by an internal bilge pump. Navigation underwater was accomplished using a directional gyro compass or by following instructions radioed from the transport barge.
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Elan Valleys
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Postby Elan Valleys » Sat Jan 31, 2015 5:35 am

Is there anything preventing me replacing the L11 of the Chieftain with an L30?

And a more reliable engine than a British Leyland?
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