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Postby Purpelia » Thu Nov 27, 2014 10:57 am

Mitheldalond wrote:Does this seem like a worthwhile idea? What kind of range should this be engaging at, and how many shots would be needed to guarantee enough hits to bring down a missile?

Real CIWS systems have more range and are generally better in every way.
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Postby Immoren » Thu Nov 27, 2014 11:05 am

The Kievan People wrote:
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Despite going for slight ot tangent, how come :p


Tangent within. Avert your eyes.
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Put everyone under one roof.


I see point partially. Although in Finland what you say would require even more larger reforms given here tradesmen and similarare trained in secondary level high school equivalent institutions. I am not quite sure about computer technicians. :p
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Postby Mitheldalond » Thu Nov 27, 2014 11:20 am

Purpelia wrote:
Mitheldalond wrote:Does this seem like a worthwhile idea? What kind of range should this be engaging at, and how many shots would be needed to guarantee enough hits to bring down a missile?

Real CIWS systems have more range and are generally better in every way.

I know. I'm not planning on using this in place of CIWS, but in addition to it. CIWS is already a last ditch defense, and this would be used if/when CIWS fails. By the time this is engaging, we've already failed at damage prevention and are now focused on damage control.

I was thinking of using 76mm super rapid guns firing DART ammunition for CIWS, with this as backup.

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Postby Inyourfaceistan » Thu Nov 27, 2014 12:15 pm

So I have seen a lot of talk of "Cyberwarfare" around II. (Which mostly amounts to "I'm installing spam to everyone's computers that say how gr8t my leader is!")

My question is: Is there any way to trace the perpetrator of a proxy attack to a single IP address or is it basically an untraceable action?


Mitheldalond wrote:
Purpelia wrote:Real CIWS systems have more range and are generally better in every way.

I know. I'm not planning on using this in place of CIWS, but in addition to it. CIWS is already a last ditch defense, and this would be used if/when CIWS fails. By the time this is engaging, we've already failed at damage prevention and are now focused on damage control.

I was thinking of using 76mm super rapid guns firing DART ammunition for CIWS, with this as backup.


Or just use area defense, point defense, soft kill and CIWS like a normal navy...


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Postby The Akasha Colony » Thu Nov 27, 2014 12:23 pm

Inyourfaceistan wrote:So I have seen a lot of talk of "Cyberwarfare" around II. (Which mostly amounts to "I'm installing spam to everyone's computers that say how gr8t my leader is!")

My question is: Is there any way to trace the perpetrator of a proxy attack to a single IP address or is it basically an untraceable action?


If he's clever, it can be difficult. You might be able to pin down a country-area IP address, in the way that the US occasionally accuses China of hacking government databases, but theoretically you could cover this up. It would be extremely difficult to attempt to narrow it down to any particular person unless you had the cooperation of the host government, since IP addresses aren't actually tied to people unless you can track them down by location.

In II it may be even worse since everyone just tries to DDoS each other, which means they just grab a big botnet to do it, usually scattered throughout the world wherever they managed to infect Grandpa's computer with fake advertisements for boner pills.

Mitheldalond wrote:I know. I'm not planning on using this in place of CIWS, but in addition to it. CIWS is already a last ditch defense, and this would be used if/when CIWS fails. By the time this is engaging, we've already failed at damage prevention and are now focused on damage control.

I was thinking of using 76mm super rapid guns firing DART ammunition for CIWS, with this as backup.


Just make the caliber larger. As it is, it serves no purpose, and one of the major limiting factors for CIWS today is caliber (at least for Phalanx). No point adding an expensive Metal Storm-based "CIWS" if it's even less effective than older models.

The downside to Metal Storm though is reloading, although depending how many barrels you have, you may be able to just store enough in them to make up for it.
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Postby The United Remnants of America » Thu Nov 27, 2014 12:29 pm

The Akasha Colony wrote:
Inyourfaceistan wrote:So I have seen a lot of talk of "Cyberwarfare" around II. (Which mostly amounts to "I'm installing spam to everyone's computers that say how gr8t my leader is!")

My question is: Is there any way to trace the perpetrator of a proxy attack to a single IP address or is it basically an untraceable action?


If he's clever, it can be difficult. You might be able to pin down a country-area IP address, in the way that the US occasionally accuses China of hacking government databases, but theoretically you could cover this up. It would be extremely difficult to attempt to narrow it down to any particular person unless you had the cooperation of the host government, since IP addresses aren't actually tied to people unless you can track them down by location.

In II it may be even worse since everyone just tries to DDoS each other, which means they just grab a big botnet to do it, usually scattered throughout the world wherever they managed to infect Grandpa's computer with fake advertisements for boner pills.

Mitheldalond wrote:I know. I'm not planning on using this in place of CIWS, but in addition to it. CIWS is already a last ditch defense, and this would be used if/when CIWS fails. By the time this is engaging, we've already failed at damage prevention and are now focused on damage control.

I was thinking of using 76mm super rapid guns firing DART ammunition for CIWS, with this as backup.


Just make the caliber larger. As it is, it serves no purpose, and one of the major limiting factors for CIWS today is caliber (at least for Phalanx). No point adding an expensive Metal Storm-based "CIWS" if it's even less effective than older models.

The downside to Metal Storm though is reloading, although depending how many barrels you have, you may be able to just store enough in them to make up for it.

So why not a Goalkeeper instead of a Phalanx? They have an extra barrel and a larger caliber.
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Postby The Akasha Colony » Thu Nov 27, 2014 12:34 pm

The United Remnants of America wrote:So why not a Goalkeeper instead of a Phalanx? They have an extra barrel and a larger caliber.


It's essentially what I'm suggesting, although Goalkeeper actually has roughly the same RoF as newer Phalanx blocks, if not slightly lower (4,200 RPM max vs. 4,500 RPM max).
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Postby Erusuia » Thu Nov 27, 2014 12:37 pm

What rank are tank drivers normally?
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Postby The United Remnants of America » Thu Nov 27, 2014 12:40 pm

Erusuia wrote:What rank are tank drivers normally?

Private-Corporal.
The Akasha Colony wrote:
The United Remnants of America wrote:So why not a Goalkeeper instead of a Phalanx? They have an extra barrel and a larger caliber.


It's essentially what I'm suggesting, although Goalkeeper actually has roughly the same RoF as newer Phalanx blocks, if not slightly lower (4,200 RPM max vs. 4,500 RPM max).


Slightly lower and less range, but it makes up for it in caliber and barrel count.
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Postby Immoren » Thu Nov 27, 2014 12:40 pm

Erusuia wrote:What rank are tank drivers normally?


Depends on factors X, Y and Z. :p
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Postby The Akasha Colony » Thu Nov 27, 2014 12:41 pm

The United Remnants of America wrote:Slightly lower and less range, but it makes up for it in caliber and barrel count.


An extra barrel on its own means nothing. Caliber is important because it extends your range; Goalkeeper has a longer effective range than Phalanx.
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Postby Erusuia » Thu Nov 27, 2014 12:42 pm

Immoren wrote:
Erusuia wrote:What rank are tank drivers normally?


Depends on factors X, Y and Z. :p


doesn't it always lol

The United Remnants of America wrote:
Erusuia wrote:What rank are tank drivers normally?

Private-Corporal..


thanks :D
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Postby San-Silvacian » Thu Nov 27, 2014 12:45 pm

Phalanx is great because you don't need an ass load off deck penetration to install it.

Also USN didn't seem to have issues prong Phalanx on warships in the 1980s when faced against all the lulzy Russian AShMs
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Postby The United Remnants of America » Thu Nov 27, 2014 12:49 pm

Erusuia wrote:
Immoren wrote:
Depends on factors X, Y and Z. :p


doesn't it always lol

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thanks :D

Yep. Actually, the crew of a tank is made up of that, other than the commander, which is a Sergeant. The only time that's different is in a platoon command tank, where the commander is a lieutenant. There's usually 4 tanks in a platoon. At least in the US.
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Postby The High Tatras » Thu Nov 27, 2014 12:51 pm

Would it be possible to build a decent armored car based on Ford Model TT truck? If so, would modifications would need to be made (besides obviously slapping some sandbags, reinforced concrete, and/ or steel armor plates on it and mounting a heavy machine gun or a pack howitzer in the back).

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Postby The United Remnants of America » Thu Nov 27, 2014 12:54 pm

Anything can be an armored car with enough armor.
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Postby The High Tatras » Thu Nov 27, 2014 12:55 pm

The United Remnants of America wrote:Anything can be an armored car with enough armor.


Shouldn't I worry about overloading the suspension, and about drastically reducing the speed of an already slow (even for its time) vehicle?
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Postby The United Remnants of America » Thu Nov 27, 2014 12:57 pm

The High Tatras wrote:
The United Remnants of America wrote:Anything can be an armored car with enough armor.


Shouldn't I worry about overloading the suspension?

The best armored car doesn't move and just absorbed bullets. ;)

Anyways. Yeah. Slap a half-dozen leaf springs onto the thing and load it up with Kevlar, steel, and NERA
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Postby Spirit of Hope » Thu Nov 27, 2014 12:59 pm

The United Remnants of America wrote:
The High Tatras wrote:
Shouldn't I worry about overloading the suspension?

The best armored car doesn't move and just absorbed bullets. ;)

Anyways. Yeah. Slap a half-dozen leaf springs onto the thing and load it up with Kevlar, steel, and NERA

And then you are moving 2 miles an hour because your engine wasn't designed to deal with that weight. You can to an extent armor trucks and cars by adding armor and better suspension but you aren't going to get a real armored vehicle without designing it from the ground up.
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Postby The Akasha Colony » Thu Nov 27, 2014 1:00 pm

San-Silvacian wrote:Phalanx is great because you don't need an ass load off deck penetration to install it.

Also USN didn't seem to have issues prong Phalanx on warships in the 1980s when faced against all the lulzy Russian AShMs


Phalanx is no longer unique in that aspect though, since Oerlikon Millennium can do it too. It still doesn't overcome Phalanx's caliber handicap in terms of range, the USN just had no other options on hand in the 1980s. They did realize the problem though which is why you now have RAM and ESSM becoming more popular and Phalanx installations being reduced on newer-build warships.
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Postby The Kievan People » Thu Nov 27, 2014 1:04 pm

Padnak wrote:depending on how hilly the island this base would be build on is and what kind of rock the island is made out of, you could probably render at least the sub pens nuke proof


It might be possible with an absurd investment, but...

There is absolutely nothing to stop an attacker from nuking the entrances to the pens, caving them in, and trapping the subs until they can be dug out. Likely for weeks.
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Postby The High Tatras » Thu Nov 27, 2014 1:05 pm

Spirit of Hope wrote:
The United Remnants of America wrote:The best armored car doesn't move and just absorbed bullets. ;)

Anyways. Yeah. Slap a half-dozen leaf springs onto the thing and load it up with Kevlar, steel, and NERA

And then you are moving 2 miles an hour because your engine wasn't designed to deal with that weight. You can to an extent armor trucks and cars by adding armor and better suspension but you aren't going to get a real armored vehicle without designing it from the ground up.


I think what I am trying to engineer is the interbellum era equivalent of a "technical".
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Postby The United Remnants of America » Thu Nov 27, 2014 1:06 pm

Question:

Could I take an MBT chassis and replace the turret with a turret support a coupe GAU-12 Equalizers? Mostly for an Anti-air, anti-vehicle unit?
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Postby Spirit of Hope » Thu Nov 27, 2014 1:32 pm

The United Remnants of America wrote:Question:

Could I take an MBT chassis and replace the turret with a turret support a coupe GAU-12 Equalizers? Mostly for an Anti-air, anti-vehicle unit?

Could you? Yes, I don't see any glaring technical issues, though the GUA-12 is rather large.

But why would you want it? For anti vehicle work you would probably be better served by having missiles and maybe a 40-60mm gun.

For anti vehicle work again a 40-60mm gun would probably serve you better. You simply don't need the GUA-12's insane RoF.
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Postby Nachmere » Thu Nov 27, 2014 1:45 pm

The United Remnants of America wrote:Question:

Could I take an MBT chassis and replace the turret with a turret support a coupe GAU-12 Equalizers? Mostly for an Anti-air, anti-vehicle unit?


http://www.quarryhs.co.uk/RED%20QUEEN.htm

If that fitted a M113 why not lol.
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