NS Military Realism Mk. 7: NO

[The Kievan People]

Not air combat.
There is no significant difference between men and women when it comes to G tolerance.

That study literally states that if you control for height, women have significantly lower G-tolerance.

[Chinese Peoples]

What do you think about this military-related article that I wrote, concerning the problems in the military?

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[Gallan Systems]

Male body type is much more able bodied than a female body for any combat role.

So what?

Male body type is much more able bodied than a female body for any combat role.

Not air combat.
There is no significant difference between men and women when it comes to G tolerance.

He's right, but it's still a meaningless statement.

[Nachmere]

it is as if i never made that tl;dr post

i will make it short and sweet: tank crews require very high physical strength to maintain their tanks. even for operating them, drivers and loaders need to be quite strong. gunners dont. commanders theoretically dont. this is somewhat of a moot point though, as crew members also need to be able to replace others when injured.

[New Vihenia]

This would mean..INCREASED MANNING :3 Tank for girls will have crew of 7

[Tule]

Not air combat.
There is no significant difference between men and women when it comes to G tolerance.

That study literally states that if you control for height, women have significantly lower G-tolerance.

If I control for size, fleas can jump hundreds of times higher into the air than any human can.

But fleas aren't as big as humans. And women aren't as tall as men. So your statement is kind of pointless.

[Gallan Systems]

And women aren't as tall as men. So your statement is kind of pointless.

I'm shorter than a fair few women, so your statement is kind of pointless.

Women are not tremendously shorter than men, to the point that it isn't uncommon at all for the reverse to be true. Especially true for jobs requiring short people, like piloting fighter jets. Women may have inferior G-tolerance, but it's clearly not enough a detriment that they're excluded from the position. One imagines that the average female fighter pilot is better than the worst male fighter pilot, and this is seemingly backed up by real world experience.

[Mitheldalond]

Oh goody! A new episode of Dragomere vs. NSMRC! I love that show. *grabs popcorn and goes back to read "debate"*

Eh, still not as good as that time he edited Wikipedia.

On the crossbow vs. space suite thing: crossbows can go through car doors like a hot knife through butter.


The FN P90 might be a good choice. It's light (5.7 pounds), short (19.9 inches), and reliable. It can fire 900rpm to an effective range of 200m, and has a 50 round magazine capacity. The 5.7x28mm is supposed to be a pretty effective cartridge as well; it's smaller and lighter than 9mm, yet packs a bigger punch.

In other news, I found this:
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The 747 Cruise Missile Carrier was supposed to be able to carry 72 AGM-86 ALCMs at once, and was (obviously) based on the Boeing 747.

And apparently, this was an actual thing.

Thoughts?

The 747 has been the subject of more modification plans than any other aircraft I can think of. From outboard cargo pods to carry AVLBs and supplement dedicated airlifters to hydrogen turbines to even a flying wing conversion. The CMC was a pretty interesting idea, although the question I suppose is whether you need that many missiles in every sortie (which is dependent on you having that many identified targets).

Good point. In real life, the only time I can think of where you'd need to hit that many targets at once would be a nuclear first or second strike.

In NS it's possible that there would be a greater need to hit a large number of targets under more common circumstances. Switching out the ALCMs for Harpoons could make this into a very useful platform for dealing with the hundred-plus-ship fleets often seen in NS, particularly for countries that have more realistically-sized navies.

I'm curious if there's any way to actually re-cycle decommissioned nuclear reactor. Currently all nuclear nations and navies disposed their reactors by filling it with cements or any other sealant mats (furfurol, bitumen.. etc) Then either bury it into the ground or dispose them at sea.

Use them to make depleted uranium bullets?

Hi guys nice to meet you.....

As new country with lot of enemy we need build our military as fast as possible.

Lately there idea from our military Counsel (after they watch certain tv show, wich is forbidden in our country) to recruit high school girls as tank operator. We have 3 tank division for high school boys now and we plan to add 5 more. And our Air Force started to build all female pilot squadron. Named sky angels..

- how feasible is this idea?

- is it high school girls better than high school boys in handling tank?

sorry for my lousy english, and I would appreciate if someone can help me solve this..

This seems like a job for Oaledonia.

If you set your minimum age for military service to 16, then most of your newly recruited pilots and tank crews will be high school age.

Women have been fully integrated into Israel's military, and it doesn't seem to be causing any real problems.

[San-Silvacian]

Give me a list of all of Israel's enemies.

This will tell you why they can have women.

[Erusuia]

Give me a list of all of Israel's enemies.

This will tell you why they can have women.

But doesn't that go for every western country?

[Spirit of Hope]

Give me a list of all of Israel's enemies.

This will tell you why they can have women.

But doesn't that go for every western country?

So every western country boarders Eygypt, Jordan, and Syria? With a near by UAE, Saudi Arabia, Iran, Iraq, and Yemmin?

Israel is pretty much surrounded by enemies, and only has a population of 8 million. Makes some sense they might want to have a larger body of soldiers to draw from.

[Tule]

And women aren't as tall as men. So your statement is kind of pointless.

I'm shorter than a fair few women, so your statement is kind of pointless.

Women are not tremendously shorter than men, to the point that it isn't uncommon at all for the reverse to be true. Especially true for jobs requiring short people, like piloting fighter jets. Women may have inferior G-tolerance, but it's clearly not enough a detriment that they're excluded from the position. One imagines that the average female fighter pilot is better than the worst male fighter pilot, and this is seemingly backed up by real world experience.

I admittedly should have added "on average" there.

Nevertheless the study does not find any meaningful differences between the sexes when it comes to G tolerances.

Fighter pilots do not require short people, they simply have an advantage. The actual height requirements for fighter pilots in the USAF is between 160-198 cm.

[Gallan Systems]

Give me a list of all of Israel's enemies.

This will tell you why they can have women.

Considering that list is pretty much the same as the West...

But doesn't that go for every western country?

So every western country boarders Eygypt, Jordan, and Syria? With a near by UAE, Saudi Arabia, Iran, Iraq, and Yemmin?

Israel is pretty much surrounded by enemies, and only has a population of 8 million. Makes some sense they might want to have a larger body of soldiers to draw from.

Egypt, Jordan, Iraq. These are enemies of Israel?

[Spirit of Hope]

So every western country boarders Eygypt, Jordan, and Syria? With a near by UAE, Saudi Arabia, Iran, Iraq, and Yemmin?

Israel is pretty much surrounded by enemies, and only has a population of 8 million. Makes some sense they might want to have a larger body of soldiers to draw from.

Egypt, Jordan, Iraq. These are enemies of Israel?

Egypt and Jordan have both been to war with Israel within living memory, and it isn't exactly like Iraq would shed tears over anything bad happening to Israel. But yes all three of those are not exactly enemies of Israel.

Still doesn't change the fact that Israel does have a relatively unique position.

Then again this is all a discussion of the integration of females into the armed forces. Simple answer: set the same performance standards for everyone regardless of gender. You might on average see less women pass, but it isn't like those who do pass are somehow going to be unfit for service if they passed the same qualifications as any male recruits.

[The Akasha Colony]

But doesn't that go for every western country?

So every western country boarders Eygypt, Jordan, and Syria? With a near by UAE, Saudi Arabia, Iran, Iraq, and Yemmin?

Israel is pretty much surrounded by enemies, and only has a population of 8 million. Makes some sense they might want to have a larger body of soldiers to draw from.

The West doesn't border the Arab states, but they're still the nations the West is most likely to be fighting.

[Gallan Systems]

Egypt, Jordan, Iraq. These are enemies of Israel?

Egypt and Jordan have both been to war with Israel within living memory

So has Germany with Britain, France, and America.

What's your point?

[Voltrovia]

Could I raise my army to highly unrealistic numbers (like 20-30 million) in wartime?

The Soviet Union had 11 million troops in its armed forces at the end of the second world war.

But if you're thinking of maintaining that force postwar, the Soviets had to reduce to 5.3 million or so by 46-47 for 3 critical reasons IIRC:

1) The resources required to maintain such a large army into the future, especially with the state of the Soviet Union, simply did not feasibly exist.
2) Rebuilding the devastated territories of the Soviet Union and its industry would and did require millions more than were already labouring - these men were drawn from the Soviet Armed Forces.
3) The Soviets desired a 'smaller' and more effective force with which to operate as having 11 million men enlisted caused severe difficulties for the more mobile and capable model of the Soviet Army that state planners envisaged following the war.

[Gallan Systems]

Egypt, Jordan, Iraq. These are enemies of Israel?

Egypt and Jordan have both been to war with Israel within living memory, and it isn't exactly like Iraq would shed tears over anything bad happening to Israel. But yes all three of those are not exactly enemies of Israel.

Still doesn't change the fact that Israel does have a relatively unique position.

Then again this is all a discussion of the integration of females into the armed forces. Simple answer: set the same performance standards for everyone regardless of gender. You might on average see less women pass, but it isn't like those who do pass are somehow going to be unfit for service if they passed the same qualifications as any male recruits.

Problems with are that: Women will Q _ Q about inequality despite being given the same opportunities.

[Purpelia]

Egypt and Jordan have both been to war with Israel within living memory, and it isn't exactly like Iraq would shed tears over anything bad happening to Israel. But yes all three of those are not exactly enemies of Israel.

Still doesn't change the fact that Israel does have a relatively unique position.

Then again this is all a discussion of the integration of females into the armed forces. Simple answer: set the same performance standards for everyone regardless of gender. You might on average see less women pass, but it isn't like those who do pass are somehow going to be unfit for service if they passed the same qualifications as any male recruits.

Problems with are that: Women will Q _ Q about inequality despite being given the same opportunities.

So let them cry. A good government is one that has the guts to stand up and tell people to STFU and do as they are told.

[Voltrovia]

So every western country boarders Eygypt, Jordan, and Syria? With a near by UAE, Saudi Arabia, Iran, Iraq, and Yemmin?

Israel is pretty much surrounded by enemies, and only has a population of 8 million. Makes some sense they might want to have a larger body of soldiers to draw from.

The West doesn't border the Arab states, but they're still the nations the West is most likely to be fighting.

Except Israel has repeatedly fought wars over its very existence with many of these countries - if it had lost the Yom Kippur War for example Israel would simply not exist in its present form today.

[Gallan Systems]

Problems with are that: Women will Q _ Q about inequality despite being given the same opportunities.

So let them cry. A good government is one that has the guts to stand up and tell people to STFU and do as they are told.

Your idea of a good government gets voted, or replaced with violence.

Get owned son.

[Nachmere]

Women have been fully integrated into Israel's military, and it doesn't seem to be causing any real problems.

no they have not. most infantry units don't accept women. armor units do not accept women. almost all special forces do not accept women. conventional tube artillery does not have women(only MLRS does).

[Purpelia]

Your idea of a good government gets voted, or replaced with violence.

Get owned son.

A government which does not maintain a monopoly on the capability to use violence and the desire to do so deserves to fall.

[Spirit of Hope]

So every western country boarders Eygypt, Jordan, and Syria? With a near by UAE, Saudi Arabia, Iran, Iraq, and Yemmin?

Israel is pretty much surrounded by enemies, and only has a population of 8 million. Makes some sense they might want to have a larger body of soldiers to draw from.

The West doesn't border the Arab states, but they're still the nations the West is most likely to be fighting.

And most western states, as you noted, don't boarder them. That means they don't necessarily need to have a large pool of recruits and trained personnel to repel an invasion.

Additionally Israels population is a little of 8 million. France has 66 million, UK has 60 Million, Germany has 80 million, and the US has 310 million, they have ample population to create an armed force to meet their opponents without needing to draw upon females. Which is all why Israel is ahead of the game in that regard. But you will also note that their are a number of western forces moving towards more integration of females in combat arms and there is nothing that inherently makes any given female a worse candidate for combat arms.

Problems with are that: Women will Q _ Q about inequality despite being given the same opportunities.

Sure.

Egypt and Jordan have both been to war with Israel within living memory

So has Germany with Britain, France, and America.

What's your point?

Well add in Egypt an Iraq aren't the most politically stable right now, that their last war with Israel was in the 70's not the 40's.

[Voltrovia]

Women have been fully integrated into Israel's military, and it doesn't seem to be causing any real problems.

no they have not. most infantry units don't accept women. armor units do not accept women. almost all special forces do not accept women. conventional tube artillery does not have women(only MLRS does).

The Caracal Battalion and most of the Israeli Air Force might disagree. Many sections of the IDF don't accept women though.