NS Military Realism Mk. 7: NO

[San-Silvacian]

I've no idea if it's true. But I remember reading that wartime conditions caused it so that only thing that was common between wartime T-34 were hull, weapons and engine, and everything else was unique for each plant that build T-34s. To a degree that it caused logistics/maintenance problems because spare parts of T-34 of one factory didn't fit in T-34 of another factory. And only reason why they had same designation was that because it was wartime production,

It was not that drastic. You would of course have a few details unique to each plant but I seriously doubt it would be anything major.

No it was so bad T-34s would roll out of the factory without proper gunnery sights, instead with an impromptu Slavized gunnery sight which utilized a nail with a max 'effective' range of 500 meters.

Another military question that is non-realism related.

I am creating an elite squad of Tatran "super-soldiers" who have the outward appearance of being "sweet, shy, studious boys". However, they have actually been selectively bred and raised from birth to have near superhuman mental capabilities rather than any physical powers. This allows them to stay calm and make logical decisions in stressful combat situations, and to learn how to operate complicated weapons systems with relative ease. They also design and build their own technologically advanced weapons and gadgets of choice. Their motto is "scientia est potentia" and their insignia displays the "Owl of Athena".

I am trying to come up with a unique name for this unit.

<insert anime name here>

[Rich and Corporations]

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/2/27/Effective_range_of_Japanese_Anti-aircraft_guns_-_world_war_II.png
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Type_5_15 ... ectiveness

I use a dual purpose 16 cm liquid propellant bulk loaded artillery gun used on my anti-air/artillery vehicles and on my artillery vehicles,

And a 2.1 cm anti-air gun firing HE shells with a DU frag body for forward area support.

And naturally, AA missiles.

Are you using those for MT? Because 160mm AA artillery sounds like it is something that should be replaced by missiles in MT.

As for 21mm AA shooting HE with DU frag bodies, that sounds both expensive and silly.

16 cm artillery can theoretically... based on modern tank guns, be swung around quite fast to engage even supersonic threats. Modern autoloaders are quite fast as well. And unlike missiles, ECM cannot defeat shells.

And DU frag bodies increase weight by about 15%, and DU should be used for most weapons.

[Crookfur]

WWI Britsh/Canadian Artillery- What was it called and what was it's make? Was it the British 6-pounder?

http://www.westernfrontassociation.com/ ... front.html

[The United Remnants of America]

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I think you might be in the wrong thread.

I am not sure what the right thread is for this.

There isn't. We made one that was better-suited, but the mods shut it down and referred us to this thread.

It was called something alone the lines of the Military non-realism thread and discussed PMT topics.

[Oaledonia]

Kancolle

What did I just google. Actually oale, I have no idea what you're saying anymore.

yay.

[Gallia-]

What did I just google. Actually oale, I have no idea what you're saying anymore.

yay.

This is cute. :>

*pats*

[Spirit of Hope]

Are you using those for MT? Because 160mm AA artillery sounds like it is something that should be replaced by missiles in MT.

As for 21mm AA shooting HE with DU frag bodies, that sounds both expensive and silly.

16 cm artillery can theoretically... based on modern tank guns, be swung around quite fast to engage even supersonic threats. Modern autoloaders are quite fast as well. And unlike missiles, ECM cannot defeat shells.

And DU frag bodies increase weight by about 15%, and DU should be used for most weapons.

1) While the 160mm gun may be able to turn fast enough it will not be able to maneuver once it has left the gun. While a proximity fuse helps with this any gun is still far less likely to score a hit than a missile.
2) While the shell its self can not be defeated by ECM, whatever aiming system the gun is using can be jammed.
3) DU doesn't add anything to a frag shell besides cost to produce it.

[Azurg]

Hey, does anyone have a combat weight for the 2A42 Cobra turret?

*cough*

[Welskerland]

How hard would it be to conduct invasions of other countries as a landlocked nation? I assume that a landlocked nation can only invade using infantry, tanks and planes. Welskerland has a Navy, but it defends lakes and rivers.

[The Akasha Colony]

And unlike missiles, ECM cannot defeat shells.

Depending on the fuzing type, it can. Unless you plan to rely purely on hit to kill.

[The United Remnants of America]

How hard would it be to conduct invasions of other countries as a landlocked nation? I assume that a landlocked nation can only invade using infantry, tanks and planes. Welskerland has a Navy, but it defends lakes and rivers.

Depends on the nation you're invading.

If it's on another continent, like Moldova invading Brazil, pretty fucking hard.

If it's a neighbor, then not too hard, but your brown water won't be much help in the long run.

[Vancon]

WWI Britsh/Canadian Artillery- What was it called and what was it's make? Was it the British 6-pounder?

[The Akasha Colony]

WWI Britsh/Canadian Artillery- What was it called and what was it's make? Was it the British 6-pounder?

The most common pieces were the 18-pounder field gun and the 4.5 inch howitzer.

[Rich and Corporations]

While a proximity fuse helps with this any gun is still far less likely to score a hit than a missile.

ECM can cause proximity fuses to predetonate. http://www.fas.org/man/dod-101/sys/land/an-vlq-9.htm


Only reliable option is time fuses with time estimate based on weather, ballistics, and trajectory of the target. Furthermore, the gun is to complement the work of missiles. Israeli fighters were shot down by 23mm guns after flying low to avoid missiles.

Hey, does anyone have a combat weight for the 2A42 Cobra turret?

*cough*

Can't find anything, although now I'm interested.

How hard would it be to conduct invasions of other countries as a landlocked nation? I assume that a landlocked nation can only invade using infantry, tanks and planes. Welskerland has a Navy, but it defends lakes and rivers.

The Mongols were landlocked and look, one day they managed to acquire ports.

[Crookfur]

WWI Britsh/Canadian Artillery- What was it called and what was it's make? Was it the British 6-pounder?

http://www.westernfrontassociation.com/ ... front.html

try doing some reading perhaps?

but as Akasha said the 18pounder and the 4.5" howitzer were the main stays of the Royal Feild Artillery.

[Spirit of Hope]

While a proximity fuse helps with this any gun is still far less likely to score a hit than a missile.

ECM can cause proximity fuses to predetonate. http://www.fas.org/man/dod-101/sys/land/an-vlq-9.htm


Only reliable option is time fuses with time estimate based on weather, ballistics, and trajectory of the target. Furthermore, the gun is to complement the work of missiles. Israeli fighters were shot down by 23mm guns after flying low to avoid missiles.

Time fuse isn't more reliable though. While proximity fuses can be made to predetonate, time fuses are inherently less accurate overall.

Additionally the shoot down of an Isrealie fighter by 23mm guns isn't an argument for a 160mm AA gun. The two serve vastly different purposes.

[Immoren]

Apparently I have so regarding senior NCOs in regiments that create subunits/units for field battlegroups and brigades that
When regiment is in peace time footing
OR-7 staff sergeants acts as platoon/section/troop instructor NCOs
OR-8 senior staff sergeants act as company/battery/squadron sergeant majors
OR-9 master sergeants act as regimental sergeant majors
But when regiment‘s battalions are deployed into brigades and reserve battalions have been mobilised
OR-7 staff sergeants now act as company sergeant majors or fill certain NCO positions at battHQ
OR-8 senior staff sergeants act as regimental sergeant majors
OR-9 master sergeants go to brigade (and higher) HQs as command sergeant majors

[Doppio Giudici]

Another military question that is non-realism related.

I am creating an elite squad of Tatran "super-soldiers" who have the outward appearance of being "sweet, shy, studious boys". However, they have actually been selectively bred and raised from birth to have near superhuman mental capabilities rather than any physical powers. This allows them to stay calm and make logical decisions in stressful combat situations, and to learn how to operate complicated weapons systems with relative ease. They also design and build their own technologically advanced weapons and gadgets of choice. Their motto is "scientia est potentia" and their insignia displays the "Owl of Athena".

I am trying to come up with a unique name for this unit.

The Sacred Band?

Are these soldiers homosexuals? #HistoryJokeAboutACityInGreece

[Rich and Corporations]

time fuses are inherently less accurate overall.

Accurate enough to air burst over trenches. A trench is smaller then an airplane.

Additionally the shoot down of an Isrealie fighter by 23mm guns isn't an argument for a 160mm AA gun. The two serve vastly different purposes.

both serve aerial denial roles

[Spirit of Hope]

time fuses are inherently less accurate overall.

Accurate enough to air burst over trenches. A trench is smaller then an airplane.

Additionally the shoot down of an Isrealie fighter by 23mm guns isn't an argument for a 160mm AA gun. The two serve vastly different purposes.

both serve aerial denial roles

1) A trench isn't moving at 600+ km/h, a difference of 5% in their speed vs. calculated speed can lead to missing by 40+ meters (this is assuming a 5 second flight time). That isn't taking into account differences in range, altitude, temperature wind speed, etc. There is a very good reason why everyone who can afford it dropped big guns and took up missiles for AA missions.
2) That is like saying a M-16 and am M-60 are comparable, they both suppress infantry. A 23mm gun is designed to work in the short range area where missiles do not have time to acquire a target and engage. A 160mm gun is designed to engage high flying targets, the exact job of air defense missiles.

[Aelarus]

I've got a nagging question we've been trying to solve.

If the Soviet Union continued for longer, would they have gone with the Ka-50 or the Mi-28?

For those of you without context, they favored the Ka-50, but currently, the Russians are leaning away from it due to the single pilot (among other things, I'd like to think it's because of the fixed gun, but judging from the Gsh-30-2, they seem rather partial to big fixed guns).

[Oaledonia]

For those of you without context

Don't ask for help and say this, it's kind of rude.
If they don't have context themselves (which, TBH, what you included seems a little "no shit" like to me), they shouldn't answer the question.

[Aelarus]

Don't ask for help and say this, it's kind of rude.
If they don't have context themselves (which, TBH, what you included seems a little "no shit" like to me), they shouldn't answer the question.

Alright, ignore that portion then. Question still stands.

[San-Silvacian]

I've got a nagging question we've been trying to solve.

If the Soviet Union continued for longer, would they have gone with the Ka-50 or the Mi-28?

For those of you without context, they favored the Ka-50, but currently, the Russians are leaning away from it due to the single pilot (among other things, I'd like to think it's because of the fixed gun, but judging from the Gsh-30-2, they seem rather partial to big fixed guns).

In a weird alternate world, the Soviets could have gone with nothing but Ka-50/52s.

However Ka-50/52 is super fucking expensive in terms of attack helicopters, so no, it would have still supplemented its role alongside the Mi-28, however the Russians would have allot more of them.

[Rich and Corporations]

1) A trench isn't moving at 600+ km/h, a difference of 5% in their speed vs. calculated speed can lead to missing by 40+ meters (this is assuming a 5 second flight time). That isn't taking into account differences in range, altitude, temperature wind speed, etc. There is a very good reason why everyone who can afford it dropped big guns and took up missiles for AA missions.
2) That is like saying a M-16 and am M-60 are comparable, they both suppress infantry. A 23mm gun is designed to work in the short range area where missiles do not have time to acquire a target and engage. A 160mm gun is designed to engage high flying targets, the exact job of air defense missiles.

1) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Type_5_15 ... ectiveness 30 meter radius of rupture. But my shell is 20% larger in three dimensions. And modern shells have larger HE fillings and more modern HE. So maybe a 25% increase in radius of rupture. So maybe 37 meters radius. Pretty close to 40 meters. And there actually is a large amount of technology devoted to this accuracy problem. Given the accuracy of modern tank guns and their engagement distances, one could design fire control systems that also track the performance of projectiles and adjust for trajectory deviations due to propellant, temperature, and so forth.

Edit: for long ranges, missiles are used, medium ranges, 16 cm guns, and short ranges, 2.1 cm guns.

http://ed-thelen.org/pre_nike.html : "Since the shell is traveling about 1/2 mile per second, trying to get the shell to explode within say 30 feet of the airplane requires the shell to explode plus or minus 0.015 seconds of optimum. If the plane is at 20,000 feet, the flight time is about 9 seconds. The percent error in the time must be less than 0.15 percent, an interesting challenge of fuse timer design and construction if nothing else. "

2) No, it's like saying both an M-16 and an M-60 are capable of shooting out to 500 meters.


This is a nice debate.