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Canakhstan
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Postby Canakhstan » Tue Sep 02, 2014 1:42 am

No. Burning the national flag is considered treason, which is punishable by death. However, it is common for our citizens to burn the flags of our enemies. That is permissible.
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Novolydia
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Postby Novolydia » Tue Sep 02, 2014 1:49 am

Burning a flag is completely permissible in Novolydia! Our citizens do not have to be proud of our flag, our national identity or anything. We offer them everything they can easily find pride in. Therefore, being a proud Novolydian is an inevitable result. A proud Novolydian never burns a Novolydia flag. Not that, we don't allow our citizens to burn our flag. We allow them, but we are sure that %100 of our citizens won't choose to do so. :)

Ah, and I forgot that we simply don't care burning flags of other nations.
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Obeyistan
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Postby Obeyistan » Tue Sep 02, 2014 4:34 am

Such a deed would be rewarded with death. Foreign flags in Obeyistan are incinerated by warders the second they are found and their wavers executed.
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Imperium Sidhicum
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Postby Imperium Sidhicum » Tue Sep 02, 2014 7:18 am

Anyone who would attempt such a vile and disgusting unpatriotic display would likely be lynched by a mob of enraged citizens whose patriotic sentiments have been deeply affronted, and the authorities certainly wouldn't do squat to stop it.

While technically not explicitly forbidden by law, flag burning is a very prominent display of anti-state sentiment, and while the act in itself wouldn't alone be grounds for prosecution (provided the offender manages to escape from the said lynch mob to be prosecuted later), it would certainly be taken into account during trial with additional evidence of unpatriotic and subversive activity, and would most likely result in the offender being declared amfiat and banished or executed, whichever was more convenient and posed a lesser security risk.

Considering how someone having the audacity to burn the Imperial standard is most likely already a well-known subversive, dissident or enemy sympathizer with a record of other unpatriotic activities, a successful flag burning might very well be the figurative last drop and result in a late-night visit by Domestic Security, after which the offender simply disappears without a trace.

Human flag-burners are more problematic, since they are technically not subject to Imperial laws and Sidh ways, and the heavy-handed and discriminatory Sidh reign has understandably left many of them very discontent. Since the Imperial Standards is also the personal design of the Emperor, defiling it in any manner is considered a personal affront towards His sacred person as well as a generally unpatriotic act, so while humans who aren't considered Imperial subjects cannot really be accused of a lack of patriotism, any loyal Sidh is likely to react violently when witnessing the Standard defiled or burned by human hands. Consequently, many human demonstrations that involved a flag burning have been suppressed with extreme brutality, even considering that the Imperial authorities are generally infamous for their liberal use of force towards the human population. Suffice it to say that bayonets, energy swords, combat plasma grenades and aimed volleys of energy rifle fire have been used on some occasions in place of stun sticks, water cannons, stinger grenades and beanbag rounds.

The only circumstances under which burning the Imperial standard is legally and socially acceptable is to dispose of old flags, but in this case, such a thing will obviously not be done in public and will be carried out in a most respectful manner.
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Ontorisa
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Postby Ontorisa » Tue Sep 02, 2014 7:31 am

It is legal to burn the Ontorisan flag, however, flags may only be burnt during legal protests against the government. Flag burning is frowned upon by the general populace due to the action being a direct insult towards Ontorisa. Thus, during protests, protesters usually resort to burning pictures of key politicians instead, which is totally okay with the average joe.

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Illhos
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Postby Illhos » Tue Sep 02, 2014 7:41 am

1. No. Only burn flags of Fascist nations (which the nation above does not seem to be)
2. No. You will be sentenced to prison for 17 years for burning the flag, since it is one of Illhos' most important things
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Postby Senyosu » Tue Sep 02, 2014 8:59 am

Burning any flag is legal, just looked down upon as it is a very dangerous activity.
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The New Hungarian State
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Postby The New Hungarian State » Wed Sep 03, 2014 1:17 am

No.
The flag is considered a symbol of our culture,not of the state.
Burning it while in our borders is punishable by death.

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Postby Asigna » Wed Sep 03, 2014 1:36 am

We do not allow such symbolic treason.

As for the above, if it represents the full will of the masses in the bayan, we allow it, until a settlement with the above nation depending on the dispute in question is reached.
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Rio Grande del Sur
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Postby Rio Grande del Sur » Wed Sep 03, 2014 9:14 am

Yes, completely legal as a form of protected speech.

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Gay Dolphins
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Postby Gay Dolphins » Wed Sep 03, 2014 10:00 am

Yes, flags do not have a conscience and therefore cannot have rights. Our government is set up to be a logical one and therefore does not attempt to enforce tradition. Flag burning would only be illegal if it was not your flag, in which case it would be destruction of property.

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Leetmerica
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Postby Leetmerica » Wed Sep 03, 2014 10:13 am

Yes, sorta, in fact, it is a tradition. The first day of the new year is when we celebrate our independence from Great Britain. To remember those we lost in the war for independence, we set the flag on fire, symbolizing a both the hell of war as well as a rebirth. At the end of the ceremony, what remains of the flag is lowered and presented by the president as a gift to a veteran, in what is the greatest honor that could be received.

However, burning the flag outside of the holiday and/or without a permit from your local government is considered disrespectful, and punishable by a $500 fine.
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Nuevo Meshiko
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Postby Nuevo Meshiko » Wed Sep 03, 2014 10:20 am

Burning the flag of any nation, including the national flag, is protected by the right to free speech in Nuevo Meshiko. Burning the national flag is uncommon, however.
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Postby Blackledge » Wed Sep 03, 2014 10:53 am

Destruction of the national or realm flags is a protected right of speech and/or expression due all citizens. However, defiling the flag with the intention of 'dishonouring' it or inciting violence is a crime punishable with a fine. The distinction has rarely needed to be made, as there few cases of non-disposal related flag destruction, and flag desecration is not a usual form of protest. This latter point is in part due to the danger of inciting an unwelcome reaction from other citizens, as "holding to the colours" is considered a point of pride for many military-age men and women.

Desecrating foreign flags of nation's in good diplomatic relations with Blackledge is illegal, as it is considered inciting to violence and rude to foreign nations. If the nation has no or ill relations, desecration of their flag is permitted but still uncommon.
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Rodrania
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Postby Rodrania » Wed Sep 03, 2014 10:55 am

The burning of a Rodranian flag is seen as a offence by not only the government but also by the Rodranian people. If you burn a Rodranian flag in the middle of the streets you will probably get killed by a Rodranian citizen before the police arrests you.

And we don't care about the burning of other nations' flags
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Postby Geadland » Wed Sep 03, 2014 1:20 pm

It's only illegal if the fire is a threat to public safety.
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Ventalia
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Postby Ventalia » Wed Sep 03, 2014 1:24 pm

Not illegal per se, but may be used in judgments of character and intention in court. Burning things in public and creating a fire hazard in general can be punishable.
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Postby Jankau-Helmutsberg » Wed Sep 03, 2014 1:31 pm

All flags are legal to be burned in a safe manner.
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Postby Laudine » Sat Sep 06, 2014 10:33 am

Yes, burning a Laudine flag is technically legal, but frowned upon. It is occasionally practiced as (usually left-wing) protests, but, since the public does not look favorably upon flag-burning it is not common, because it erodes credibility with the public. That said, burning the flag of a foreign state (also legal) is somewhat more common, usually those states (namely Arbites) with which Laudine is a geopolitical rival.

Technically, flag-burning is one of the two acceptable means of disposing of a Laudine flag (the other being burial), so the Laudine state does participate in flag-burning, though not in the same capacity.

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Postby Rupudska » Sat Sep 06, 2014 12:29 pm

It is, ironically, the only legal way to dispose of the flag.
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Postby West Canador » Sat Sep 06, 2014 1:42 pm

The burning of the Workers' and Peasants' flag is declared as state treason by West Canadorian legal code article 955-8. As in virtually all criminal cases in the nation, the guilty party is not given a trial, with show trials being reserved for high profile cases on the merit of propaganda. The sentence is usually time in labor camps in the far north, though execution and torture (used to force individuals to admit to "treasonous actions against the state") are also commonplace.
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Postby Flussbund » Sat Sep 06, 2014 1:48 pm

It is forbidden to burn the flag of our beloved country. Burn the have what our fathers fought. It is also banned to burn the flags of Member States: Beringia, Hochbergen, Talland and Waldland.

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Postby Communal Ecotopia » Sat Sep 06, 2014 1:53 pm

It is permitted for an Eco-Communard to burn our flag and any others. This is purely a matter of free speech, but we also do not imbue physical objects with patriotic meaning. Our history is not tied to a flag.
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Postby Alexandreon » Sat Sep 06, 2014 1:58 pm

Kingdoms and States represented in the Council of State don't have a flag per se. But flag burning is quite a frequent phenomena, particularly in Kingdom of Zamoi, the member-state with separatist tendencies. In Zamoi, seeing an Alexandreoni flag burned during political rallies or meetings is quite frequent, and legal. Frankly speaking, Zamoian flags also get their share of burning in Alexandreon, as a gesture of protest against Zamoian reactionary policy.
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Postby Female Air Force Command of Allison » Sat Sep 06, 2014 2:02 pm

No. Burning our flag is only acceptable if it is torn or has touched the ground. Other than those exact reasons burning our flag could result in at the least 7 years in prision.
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