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Oaledonia
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Postby Oaledonia » Tue Oct 28, 2014 8:03 pm

Anemos Major wrote:
Oaledonia wrote:wtf are you guys even talking about? He said Chinese and Koreans, so I linked a Japanese example.


Type 60 is a Japanese APC, though. :P

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I wasn't responding to the img you causal plebs.
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Postby Anemos Major » Tue Oct 28, 2014 8:06 pm

Oaledonia wrote:
Anemos Major wrote:
Type 60 is a Japanese APC, though. :P

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I wasn't responding to the img you causal plebs.


Oaledonia wrote:
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*Actually a Type SU 60

Wrong.


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Postby Lemanrussland » Tue Oct 28, 2014 8:07 pm

Erusuia wrote::( So no hull guns
bumber


HMG vs GMG for APC armament?

EDIT

I get that bow guns are an all around bad idea, but doesn't the BMP-3 have them?

On paper, a Strker rifle platoon has 3 HMGs (one on each of the rifle squad ICVs) and a GMG (on the ICV of the weapons squad).

There are some RWS that combine a machine gun and grenade launcher.

You could also go for a 20mm (or larger) system. These are on the heavier end of APC armament.

Anemos Major wrote:
Erusuia wrote::( So no hull guns
bumber


HMG vs GMG for APC armament?


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Smart-fuzed 20mm HE airburst rounds, with boxes of AP if the need arises - why not have the best of both worlds?

I really like that. How large is that system, in terms of dimensions and weight? Looks quite small to many of the auto cannon RWS I've seen (which are usually almost like a full turret in terms of size)

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Postby Oaledonia » Tue Oct 28, 2014 8:10 pm

Anemos Major wrote:
Oaledonia wrote:I wasn't responding to the img you causal plebs.


Oaledonia wrote:Wrong.


:S

I assumed he was talking about the picture in the wiki.
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Postby Anemos Major » Tue Oct 28, 2014 8:14 pm

Oaledonia wrote:I assumed he was talking about the picture in the wiki.
This is why I hate all of you.


My apologies, there seems to have been a misunderstanding. Should've read a bit more carefully.

Lemanrussland wrote:I really like that. How large is that system, in terms of dimensions and weight? Looks quite small to many of the auto cannon RWS I've seen (which are usually almost like a full turret in terms of size)


The bulk of the machinery is hidden behind the big ammo can - it's probably not all that different to the ARX 20's ~270kg. :P

Bit heavier for the one on the MA11, which is installed as a full unit with the cupola.
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Postby San-Silvacian » Tue Oct 28, 2014 8:19 pm

i just put 70mm rockets and 7.62 machine gun RWS on my APCs

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Postby Anemos Major » Tue Oct 28, 2014 8:22 pm

San-Silvacian wrote:i just put 70mm rockets and 7.62 machine gun RWS on my APCs

;-;


anti-aircraft rockets, I assume

at this rate General Dynamics is going to nawm you in a hostile takeover :C

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I think I have the stats sitting somewhere, but that's about it. I have essays coming up, hopefully that'll get me back into the flow of writing long tracts of stuff up - until then, you'll find me working on this silly APC Otomatic with missiles.

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Postby San-Silvacian » Tue Oct 28, 2014 8:48 pm

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Postby Lydenburg » Tue Oct 28, 2014 9:16 pm

Oaledonia wrote:
Anemos Major wrote:


:S

I assumed he was talking about the picture in the wiki.
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We love you too, Oaledon-chan. :p

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Postby Orussia » Tue Oct 28, 2014 9:47 pm

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Your rod is fat and short. It is really disappointing TBH.

And here's where I point out that it's a HEAT shell. That's a standoff probe.
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Postby Kolintha » Wed Oct 29, 2014 12:47 am

Just out of curiousity, what the hell is this sinful abomination against God?:
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Postby Immoren » Wed Oct 29, 2014 12:52 am

Kolintha wrote:Just out of curiousity, what the hell is this sinful abomination against God?:
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Koalitsiya-SV self-propelled gun.
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Postby Yukonastan » Wed Oct 29, 2014 1:12 am

Kolintha wrote:Just out of curiousity, what the hell is this sinful abomination against God?:
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Postby United Marxist Nations » Wed Oct 29, 2014 4:29 am

Anemos Major wrote:
United Marxist Nations wrote:Eh, they all look the same. :p


...?

Poking fun at a stereotype of Asians.
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Postby Oaledonia » Wed Oct 29, 2014 6:02 am

United Marxist Nations wrote:
Anemos Major wrote:
...?

Poking fun at a stereotype of Asians.

That's not a stereotype, that's just racism.
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Postby United Marxist Nations » Wed Oct 29, 2014 6:05 am

Oaledonia wrote:
United Marxist Nations wrote:Poking fun at a stereotype of Asians.

That's not a stereotype, that's just racism.

It's a racist stereotype. I think at this point I should clarify that I meant it as a joke, and that Im sorry if I offended , as it wasn't my intention.
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Postby Anemos Major » Wed Oct 29, 2014 6:46 am

United Marxist Nations wrote:
Oaledonia wrote:That's not a stereotype, that's just racism.

It's a racist stereotype. I think at this point I should clarify that I meant it as a joke, and that Im sorry if I offended , as it wasn't my intention.


No, it's stereotypical racism.

It's not particularly clever, nor is it a relevant contribution. So why is it here?

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Postby Kouralia » Wed Oct 29, 2014 6:54 am

Anemos Major wrote:
United Marxist Nations wrote:It's a racist stereotype. I think at this point I should clarify that I meant it as a joke, and that Im sorry if I offended , as it wasn't my intention.


No, it's stereotypical racism.

It's not particularly clever, nor is it a relevant contribution. So why is it here?

Because people don't think before they post something.

End of issue, everyone move along, no one say something they regret, back on topic.

Would it be better to move Light Infantry in lorries or small medium utility trucks, like Land Rovers? One is presumably cheaper and easier (one lorry can carry a full platoon in marching load whereas it would need probably 7 TUMs to carry a platoon in marching load), but the other provides more mobility b/c a land rover can go more places, faster than a lorry.
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Postby Korva » Wed Oct 29, 2014 6:58 am

He was trying to draw humor from the relation between the racist stereotype and the difficulty in identifying similar AFV's.

There was clearly no ill intention and he already apologized.

As for the MA9A3, how many crew/dismounts does it carry? (I've been assuming 2+9)

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Postby Spirit of Hope » Wed Oct 29, 2014 7:00 am

Kouralia wrote:Would it be better to move Light Infantry in lorries or small medium utility trucks, like Land Rovers? One is presumably cheaper and easier (one lorry can carry a full platoon in marching load whereas it would need probably 7 TUMs to carry a platoon in marching load), but the other provides more mobility b/c a land rover can go more places, faster than a lorry.

In part it depends on the type of movement I would imagine.

If you are just driving them across the country, the truck/lorry would be better. You use less vehicles, so less gas usage, fewer drivers, etc.

If your moving them towards an engagement the utility vehicles (Land Rover/HUMVEE) would be better. More vehicles but better tactical flexibility, less lost if one of the vehicles is hit.
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Postby Kolintha » Wed Oct 29, 2014 9:35 am

Immoren wrote:
Kolintha wrote:Just out of curiousity, what the hell is this sinful abomination against God?:
(Image)


Koalitsiya-SV self-propelled gun.

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Postby The Kievan People » Wed Oct 29, 2014 9:59 am

Sadly Russia has ditched the double gun for the forthcoming Armata SPH.
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Postby Immoren » Wed Oct 29, 2014 10:05 am

Can double barreled SPGs halve the number of vehicles needed, or would there be some other problems for effects in fire?
I was thinking that if you've half number of double barreled SPGs you wouldn't notice difference when firing a small target are, but might be problematic, if you've to cover larger area at expense of density of fire.
Or not.
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