Military Ground Vehicles of Your Nation [NO MECHS] Tranche 7

[Immoren]

I guess some people like chodes, as a whole though I think most people disagree. I for one like to be able to penetrate people from the front.

ah yes the school of thought that pertains to "cutting a hole" rather than using existing ones

truly revolting

I am not sure if we are talking about armoured combat or SRS at this point.

[Gallia-]

ah yes the school of thought that pertains to "cutting a hole" rather than using existing ones

truly revolting

I am not sure if we are talking about armoured combat or SRS at this point.

it's easier to penetrate from behind

bonus points if you yell "SURPRISE"

[Bratislavskaya]

I am not sure if we are talking about armoured combat or SRS at this point.

it's easier to penetrate from behind

bonus points if you yell "SURPRISE"

Penetrating from behind is always the best method.

[Kouralia]

Two Questions:

What sorts of jobs can I give the bottom left vehicle in my Military?
The IRL Manufacturer recommends it is used for...

• Secure armoured personnel carrier

• Command post protection

• Border patrol vehicle

• Protected Escort vehicle

• Military Recon Vehicle

However I'm not sure it's fast, sneaky or armed enough to do the Recon job, and as an APC it's probably woefully under-protected (my main APC is an ERA'd and APS'd Alvis Stormer). I'm thinking I can probably deploy it as a comms vehicle (like the Land Rover 101FC FFR was used), Command Vehicle, Military Police vehicle (since IRL this vehicle is used by 43 Cdo and the MDP), and at Brigade+ levels as an ambulance. ANything else?
What sorts of armour am I looking at for it?
The Manufacturer isn't much help - but the original vehicle (image is of an after-market conversion) has a maximum payload of 4 tonnes, which is presumably increased somewhat with more protected and tougher suspension/axles/whatever.

[Korva]

Ambulance, engineering vehicle, riot control.

[Lydenburg]

However I'm not sure it's fast, sneaky or armed enough to do the Recon job, and as an APC it's probably woefully under-protected (my main APC is an ERA'd and APS'd Alvis Stormer). I'm thinking I can probably deploy it as a comms vehicle (like the Land Rover 101FC FFR was used), Command Vehicle, Military Police vehicle (since IRL this vehicle is used by 43 Cdo and the MDP), and at Brigade+ levels as an ambulance. ANything else?
What sorts of armour am I looking at for it?
The Manufacturer isn't much help - but the original vehicle (image is of an after-market conversion) has a maximum payload of 4 tonnes, which is presumably increased somewhat with more protected and tougher suspension/axles/whatever.

Electronic surveillance, artillery command, radar vehicle, SWAT.

Per Korva, it looks like something better suited to an urban riot scenario.

[The Greater Luthorian Empire]

it's easier to penetrate from behind

bonus points if you yell "SURPRISE"

Penetrating from behind is always the best method.

Ideally but it could be hard to get behind them, especially if they are too agile. That is why length is important so if you can't get behind them you can still penetrate them from the front.

[Novorden]

Do GLATGMs have a 'shell casing'? As i am wondering how the autoloader/breach would work with a different sized round.

[Crookfur]

(Image)
Two Questions:

What sorts of jobs can I give the bottom left vehicle in my Military?
The IRL Manufacturer recommends it is used for...

• Secure armoured personnel carrier

• Command post protection

• Border patrol vehicle

• Protected Escort vehicle

• Military Recon Vehicle

However I'm not sure it's fast, sneaky or armed enough to do the Recon job, and as an APC it's probably woefully under-protected (my main APC is an ERA'd and APS'd Alvis Stormer). I'm thinking I can probably deploy it as a comms vehicle (like the Land Rover 101FC FFR was used), Command Vehicle, Military Police vehicle (since IRL this vehicle is used by 43 Cdo and the MDP), and at Brigade+ levels as an ambulance. ANything else?
What sorts of armour am I looking at for it?
The Manufacturer isn't much help - but the original vehicle (image is of an after-market conversion) has a maximum payload of 4 tonnes, which is presumably increased somewhat with more protected and tougher suspension/axles/whatever.

I don't really think such a vehilce is goign to have many feild uses, it would be great for road movements and road bound rear area work or Northern ireland type urban work. Remember the whole PEV thing the producer is selling covers a whole range of configs some of which will be lighter and a bit more capable off road.

Armour wise i would take a stab at STANAG level 2 i.e. stops most small arms ball ammo and a few of the lower end AP rounds. I base this off the fact that that STANAG level 3 is what they quote for thier 9.5-13ton unimog based APCs.


Novorden:

Yes they do or at least they do in the west. LAHAT certainly does and whilst i'm not sure about Falarick i suspect it does. IIRC the russian two peice ones don't

[Erusuia]

I intoed Type-63

[Novorden]

Thanks.


Anther question:
Is an ok load out for my MBT ? (26 round auto loader):
11 x APFSDS
6 x HE
6 x HEAT-MP-T
3 x GLATGM

Random interesting note: a tanker I was talking to said that they had used HESH training rounds (filled with concrete rather than HE) as a 'low cost', low collateral anti-structure munition for use against snipers.

[Gallia-]

HEAT invalidates HE.

Split between APFSDS and HEAT with an emphasis on APFSDS for anti-armour and HEAT for fire support depending on what the tank needs to do atm.

[Heicliffe]

Credits to R&S and Russell McCreight from Junior General for base images prior to editing.

I can into MBT. I hope there's nothing glaringly wrong with the setup/layout, I'm satisfied with them aesthetically, but do not know enough about Tanks to call myself satisfied mechanically.

[Gallia-]

it looks like a tank

[Heicliffe]

it looks like a tank

As that is what I was aiming for/what it is, thanks?

[Rich and Corporations]

it looks like a tank

you lack the phds to make such an assertion.

I can into MBT. I hope there's nothing glaringly wrong with the setup/layout, I'm satisfied with them aesthetically, but do not know enough about Tanks to call myself satisfied mechanically.

i see nothing to judge mechanically, besides the turret being too far forward. move it a couple pixels back

[The Akasha Colony]

(Image)
Credits to R&S and Russell McCreight from Junior General for base images prior to editing.

I can into MBT. I hope there's nothing glaringly wrong with the setup/layout, I'm satisfied with them aesthetically, but do not know enough about Tanks to call myself satisfied mechanically.

Turret mounting looks a little far forward (not much space for the driver), but otherwise I don't see anything problematic.

[Novorden]

HEAT invalidates HE.

Split between APFSDS and HEAT with an emphasis on APFSDS for anti-armour and HEAT for fire support depending on what the tank needs to do atm.

Wont a sub caliber HEAT round have a limited HE filling compared to a traditional HE round?

[Gallia-]

driver in turret obviously

HEAT invalidates HE.

Split between APFSDS and HEAT with an emphasis on APFSDS for anti-armour and HEAT for fire support depending on what the tank needs to do atm.

Wont a sub caliber HEAT round have a limited HE filling compared to a traditional HE round?

it would have a fragmentation sleeve, like every modern HE round

[Korva]

driver in turret obviously

never 4get

[Lydenburg]

Do GLATGMs have a 'shell casing'? As i am wondering how the autoloader/breach would work with a different sized round.

The Falarick 90 does. It's just like a normal 90mm shell.

[Lydenburg]

driver in turret obviously

Wont a sub caliber HEAT round have a limited HE filling compared to a traditional HE round?

it would have a fragmentation sleeve, like every modern HE round

HESH also works well, too.

[Heicliffe]

driver in turret obviously

never 4get

...I'll guess that its uncommon/weird for a driver to be in the turret?

Or is it more along the lines of 'absurdly unheard of'?

[Gallia-]

driver in turret obviously



it would have a fragmentation sleeve, like every modern HE round

HESH also works well, too.

HESH is also inferior in every reasonable respect. A bit like using a modernised APDS or APCBC.

[The Akasha Colony]

never 4get

...I'll guess that its uncommon/weird for a driver to be in the turret?

Or is it more along the lines of 'absurdly unheard of'?

MBT-70 tried it, but it wasn't successful for a number of reasons. Even if you wanted to do it, you'd need to increase the size of the turret ring to accommodate more crew, so you'd have to alter it anyway.