The NS Infantry Discussion Thread, Model 4

[New Tsavon]

You guys are too rich. I'd probably serve my troops Spam and mixed steamed rice every damn day. I guess it wouldn't hurt to serve extra goodies on holidays, though.

You think that's bad?

Tsavonian rations haven't changed much since 1860 or so.

Edit: Shit, top-paged. Have a revolver.

[Allanea]

1860 troop rations were not this bad.

[Aqizithiuda]

It seems this thread has become a British pedantry discussion.

End-of-the-day reply. What you want are these, or something like a fifteen rounder HEDP notXM25. That'll blow as good as anything up.

Actually, since your troops are immortal, recoil isn't as much of an issue, just a discomfort. Make 'em fire cut-down and necked-up (to 25mm) Vulcan shells from massive bullpup rifles.
Impact-fuzed HE, you get a lot of range, you can cram a fair amount of shells into magazines for your immortals from your upscaled RK62.

Discomfort is one thing, breaking your collar-bone is another.

Oh, I got it. What was that assault rifle with the overslung grenade launcher?

The K11 is the best modern example, although allegedly the ZH-05 is lighter, if only single shot.

[Imperializt Russia]

It seems this thread has become a British pedantry discussion.

Discomfort is one thing, breaking your collar-bone is another.

Oh, I got it. What was that assault rifle with the overslung grenade launcher?

The K11 is the best modern example, although allegedly the ZH-05 is lighter, if only single shot.

The ZH-05, from images TFB had a while back, did use a magazine.

[New Tsavon]

1860 troop rations were not this bad.

Yes, however, that's partly dependent on whose 1860's rations we're talking about here.

That said, Cyprum, as it is, it sounds like you're going to have problems with things such as scurvy and malnutrition. I'd advise changing said rations.

[Lemanrussland]

1860 troop rations were not this bad.

Yes, however, that's partly dependent on whose 1860's rations we're talking about here.

That said, Cyprum, as it is, it sounds like you're going to have problems with things such as scurvy and malnutrition. I'd advise changing said rations.

Issue whiskey and cigars, so when their teeth fall out from scurvy they can still look cool.

[Aqizithiuda]

The K11 is the best modern example, although allegedly the ZH-05 is lighter, if only single shot.

The ZH-05, from images TFB had a while back, did use a magazine.

An older prototype, it appears: http://china-defense.blogspot.com.au/20 ... w.html?m=1

Everything there should be taken with a grain of salt, especially the kill radius.

[New Tsavon]

Yes, however, that's partly dependent on whose 1860's rations we're talking about here.

That said, Cyprum, as it is, it sounds like you're going to have problems with things such as scurvy and malnutrition. I'd advise changing said rations.

Issue whiskey and cigars, so when their teeth fall out from scurvy they can still look cool.

You're acting like the Tsavoniches Heer doesn't do that already.

Unless you were referencing Cyprum.

[Imperializt Russia]

The ZH-05, from images TFB had a while back, did use a magazine.

An older prototype, it appears: http://china-defense.blogspot.com.au/20 ... w.html?m=1

Everything there should be taken with a grain of salt, especially the kill radius.

There's certainly a case to be made for one-round OICW.

[Hurtful Thoughts]

Pretty sure the SAA has standardized to 7.62x39 AK variants judging by the combat footage I've watched. Maybe FSA/Al-Nusra/ISIS fighters have a million different guns, but SAA is probably actually standardized. And are you letting soldiers choose their weapon? You shouldn't do that. You should give them all one standard rifle and say "if you don't like it too bad" because that's what every real army does.

The post-script here is of course that you do not want to send 5.56 mm and 7.62 mm NATO ammunition to a unit requiring 7.62x39 mm and 7.62x54 mm ammo. With this many rifles, the chances of a mixup due to Murphy's Law fucking your logistics up increases massively with every different bullet you have to provide. If your trucks bearing the much needed ammo for a unit with almost none left you do not want them to take a wrong turn and deliver NATO spec. to them if they need AK ammo. If you only had AK ammo this would not be an issue.

And what do we do with the 'special'' driver, who shows up with a truckload of .30 carbine?

[Purpelia]

And what do we do with the 'special'' driver, who shows up with a truckload of .30 carbine?

Shoot him in the head.

[Gallia-]

An older prototype, it appears: http://china-defense.blogspot.com.au/20 ... w.html?m=1

Everything there should be taken with a grain of salt, especially the kill radius.

There's certainly a case to be made for one-round OICW.

Already done: http://www.inetres.com/gp/military/infa ... 203_00.jpg

[Imperializt Russia]

Sodomised and shot in a fever pitch of incandescent rage?

[Gallia-]

It seems this thread has become a British pedantry discussion.

Discomfort is one thing, breaking your collar-bone is another.

Oh, I got it. What was that assault rifle with the overslung grenade launcher?

The K11 is the best modern example, although allegedly the ZH-05 is lighter, if only single shot.

M16A2 and M203 are the same weight as ZH-05, with twice the bore!

[Imperializt Russia]

Half of the point of "OICW", today at least, is that they offer a high-precision capability to engage point targets at long range. This task does not require the firepower of a 40mm system, and allows more ammunition to be carried.

[Allanea]

Had the OICW been useful, people would still be developing it.

[San-Silvacian]

British is correct for anyone in the UK. It'd be Northern Irish, not Northern Irelanders or Northern Irelands, and I think it's somewhat up to personal inclination whether to identify as British or Scottish, or Welsh, or English, or (Northern) Irish.

I identify as British, and my country of birth varies from England to United Kingdom.

My long form says United Kingdom iirc.

so yeah.

I view England and United Kingdom as I view America and United States.

They mean the exact same thing.

Had the OICW been useful, people would still be developing it.

Its funny because people still are and the K11, iirc, is in limited active service.

Also the XM-25, not a OCIW, but still using a 25(20?)mm grenades has been super fucking loved by US troops. The only people that have refused the weapon refused it because it weighed to much for them.

However regular US troops loved it. Those issued it even quit carrying their M4s with them.

[Korva]

I view England and United Kingdom as I view America and United States.

They mean the exact same thing.

Until a butthurt South American starts complaining that "American" can mean anyone from the Americas.

Though at that point it is often best to just eject from the discussion.

[Cyprum Xecuii]

1860 troop rations were not this bad.

Yes, however, that's partly dependent on whose 1860's rations we're talking about here.

That said, Cyprum, as it is, it sounds like you're going to have problems with things such as scurvy and malnutrition. I'd advise changing said rations.

Of course. But what exactly would you give a Chinesesque/Japanesesque communist soldier for three or two meals?

[Lemanrussland]

What do you guys think of the concept of precision guided munitions companies at brigade level?

http://defense-and-freedom.blogspot.de/ ... y.html?m=1

They would provide both direct and indirect fires against point targets, and would use a variety of munition types (anti-tank, thermobaric, HE frag, etc.)

Sort of a hybrid between an anti-tank company and a rocket artillery battery.

[Inquilabstan]

Yes, however, that's partly dependent on whose 1860's rations we're talking about here.

That said, Cyprum, as it is, it sounds like you're going to have problems with things such as scurvy and malnutrition. I'd advise changing said rations.

Of course. But what exactly would you give a Chinesesque/Japanesesque communist soldier for three or two meals?

Chinese MREs provide 1049 kikocalories via biscuits, more traditional gravies, etc. They also issued an older ration with something like schmalzfleisch in it. The Taiwanese and Japanese still issue the old canned fare.

[Allanea]

Most of the time soldiers aren't eating MREs even in combat.

[Imperializt Russia]

What do you guys think of the concept of precision guided munitions companies at brigade level?

http://defense-and-freedom.blogspot.de/ ... y.html?m=1

They would provide both direct and indirect fires against point targets, and would use a variety of munition types (anti-tank, thermobaric, HE frag, etc.)

Sort of a hybrid between an anti-tank company and a rocket artillery battery.

I would personally put PGM specialist forces at a high echelon of command, to be requested by lower unit commanders.
Their integrated fire support should already be sufficient for almost all applications.

[Inquilabstan]

Most of the time soldiers aren't eating MREs even in combat.

That doesn't stop them from being issued.

[San-Silvacian]

Most of the time soldiers aren't eating MREs even in combat.

What lol

Why are you eating in combat at all.

You eat when your buddy watches your position, so you can eat and not get taken by surprise, when you're done your buddy eats while you cover him.

The second something even remotely wrong happens you drop your food and get ready to get attacked. Even if your meal is now covered in dirt.

Don't worry son, the dirt never killed anyone. I think

Yes, however, that's partly dependent on whose 1860's rations we're talking about here.

That said, Cyprum, as it is, it sounds like you're going to have problems with things such as scurvy and malnutrition. I'd advise changing said rations.

Of course. But what exactly would you give a Chinesesque/Japanesesque communist soldier for three or two meals?

two to three meals a day?

So pampered. US troops get four MREs for three days of patrolling.