NS Military Realism Consultation Thread #6

[Korva]

This is question i've had in my head for a long time,
How would 6 Germans monarchists on horses, with Kar 98K rifles charging a fireteam of German Republicans go?

How large is the fireteam? What are they armed with? How far away are the monarchists charging from? Do the Republicans have a clear line of sight?

[The Second German Empire]

This is question i've had in my head for a long time,
How would 6 Germans monarchists on horses, with Kar 98K rifles charging a fireteam of German Republicans go?

How large is the fireteam? What are they armed with? How far away are the monarchists charging from? Do the Republicans have a clear line of sight?

6 vs 6, Republicans have G3 carbines + the Monarchists are charging from 6 metres away on a clear field.

[The Greater Luthorian Empire]

This is question i've had in my head for a long time,
How would 6 Germans monarchists on horses, with Kar 98K rifles charging a fireteam of German Republicans go?

How large is the fireteam? What are they armed with? How far away are the monarchists charging from? Do the Republicans have a clear line of sight?

I think a better question is if they are armed with Kar 98s why are they charging and not dismounting to engage at long ranges. Or worded another way if they are charging why are they armed with Kar 98s instead of lances or sabres like real men?

[Imperializt Russia]

That depends on what the launchers are. If they are something like that light thing I designed than go ahead. But anything larger is really a no under the brigade level.

Something just like that ya!

I was envisioning a towed BM-21/14 style launcher

Why bother towing the launcher when you can fit it to the truck that would have to tow it?

[The Second German Empire]

How large is the fireteam? What are they armed with? How far away are the monarchists charging from? Do the Republicans have a clear line of sight?

I think a better question is if they are armed with Kar 98s why are they charging and not dismounting to engage at long ranges. Or worded another way if they are charging why are they armed with Kar 98s instead of lances or sabres like real men?

It's just s a radnom question i wanted to ask.

[Korva]

How large is the fireteam? What are they armed with? How far away are the monarchists charging from? Do the Republicans have a clear line of sight?

6 vs 6, Republicans have G3 carbines + the Monarchists are charging from 6 metres away on a clear field.

20 feet can be cleared rather quickly by a horse, did they just emerge into a clearing 6m from the riflemen? If so they might actually survive, but otherwise entrenched infantry armed with battle rifles will always win against an equal number of horsemen carrying bolt action guns.

[The Greater Luthorian Empire]

How large is the fireteam? What are they armed with? How far away are the monarchists charging from? Do the Republicans have a clear line of sight?

6 vs 6, Republicans have G3 carbines + the Monarchists are charging from 6 metres away on a clear field.

6 metres? I would hardly call that a charge, the horses would pretty much be walking by the time they reached the enemy. Either way depends on the situation, are the Republicans being flanked (like an ambush) and armed with semi-auto instead of full auto rifles (I don't know much on the G3 so if it is only semi-auto don't explode on me for my ignorance)? I would have to say flanking, already built up speed, semi-auto only rifles. Choose two and the Monarchists have an okay chance.

[Allanea]

Six meters is hand-to-hand combat range.

It's wholly possible for the horsemen to win out at this range, but only because the infantry have somehow failed grotesquely enough to allow guys on horseback to sneak into touch range from them.

[Padnak]

Something just like that ya!

I was envisioning a towed BM-21/14 style launcher

Why bother towing the launcher when you can fit it to the truck that would have to tow it?

didn't think of that-

[Allanea]

Towed BM-21 launchers exist. They're typically smaller and have less rockets.

[The Greater Luthorian Empire]

Six meters is hand-to-hand combat range.

It's wholly possible for the horsemen to win out at this range, but only because the infantry have somehow failed grotesquely enough to allow guys on horseback to sneak into touch range from them.

Well if the guys on horses are standing still at the moment the situation begins the infantry could easily be able to turn and shoot enough to drop a man or horse before they can close the 18 or so feet they need to cross before they can get into melee combat. If the horses are already charging and the infantry either isn't prepared or doesn't have full auto weapons I would easily bet that the horses can get into melee combat, although them winning it is another question.

Out of curiosity how well do you guys think modern soldiers would react to horses in melee combat? I feel like modern soldiers not spending much or any time around horses would probably be more skittish than they should be around horses.

[Allanea]

Like in this music video:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DWewEDVBL4Y

[Korva]

Six meters is hand-to-hand combat range.

It's wholly possible for the horsemen to win out at this range, but only because the infantry have somehow failed grotesquely enough to allow guys on horseback to sneak into touch range from them.

Well if the guys on horses are standing still at the moment the situation begins the infantry could easily be able to turn and shoot enough to drop a man or horse before they can close the 18 or so feet they need to cross before they can get into melee combat. If the horses are already charging and the infantry either isn't prepared or doesn't have full auto weapons I would easily bet that the horses can get into melee combat, although them winning it is another question.

Out of curiosity how well do you guys think modern soldiers would react to horses in melee combat? I feel like modern soldiers not spending much or any time around horses would probably be more skittish than they should be around horses.

I think the spears and sabres would be a greater cause for skittishness.

[Allanea]

The horses make the pikes and sabres more lethal. And themselves can kill you.



This man has killed 70 Mechanized Infantrymen from horseback in a single fight.

With his sword.

[San-Silvacian]

Six meters is hand-to-hand combat range.

It's wholly possible for the horsemen to win out at this range, but only because the infantry have somehow failed grotesquely enough to allow guys on horseback to sneak into touch range from them.

Well if the guys on horses are standing still at the moment the situation begins the infantry could easily be able to turn and shoot enough to drop a man or horse before they can close the 18 or so feet they need to cross before they can get into melee combat. If the horses are already charging and the infantry either isn't prepared or doesn't have full auto weapons I would easily bet that the horses can get into melee combat, although them winning it is another question.

Out of curiosity how well do you guys think modern soldiers would react to horses in melee combat? I feel like modern soldiers not spending much or any time around horses would probably be more skittish than they should be around horses.

I would personally just switch my M4 to burst and keep firing because you know, I'm training alongside 30 ton armored vehicles, which when they fire, feel like a sledgehammer to the chest.

I don't get why I'd suddenly be scared of some red and white horseman on a large black horse. I'd literally just keep shooting. If they get in close enough to hit me with anything beyond a bullet, its either I have run out of ammunition or I just didn't want to shoot.

The horses make the pikes and sabres more lethal. And themselves can kill you.

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This man has killed 70 Mechanized Infantrymen from horseback in a single fight.

With his sword.

And some guy used a sword to knock out a Pz IV, and another used a longbow to get kills at Normandy.

How much did this change the battles they were in. Not allot.

[San-Silvacian]

That depends on what the launchers are. If they are something like that light thing I designed than go ahead. But anything larger is really a no under the brigade level.

Something just like that ya!

I was envisioning a towed BM-21/14 style launcher

They have this.

They also have a manportable BM-21 launcher, which is just a single tube. However it could be easily used for some serious long range fire support.

[The Greater Luthorian Empire]

And some guy used a sword to knock out a Pz IV, and another used a longbow to get kills at Normandy.

How much did this change the battles they were in. Not allot.

I don't see how that matters. I wasn't stating the validity of horses in modern melee combat it was more just a curiosity question. Honestly if you've ever seen a horse that's angry you would understand my question, I would rather face down a pack of rabid feral dogs than a lone horses that's pissed off.

[San-Silvacian]

I have a gun. The horse has to close in to hit me.

Raise up my M4, switch to semi-auto.

Proceed to keep pulling the trigger until killed to death.

Also an angry horse isn't nearly as scary as facing down a 30 ton armored vehicle.

Not even remotely close.

[Allanea]

I have a gun. The horse has to close in to hit me.

Raise up my M4, switch to semi-auto.

Proceed to keep pulling the trigger until killed to death.

Also an angry horse isn't nearly as scary as facing down a 30 ton armored vehicle.

Not even remotely close.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tueller_Drill

[Allanea]

And some guy used a sword to knock out a Pz IV, and another used a longbow to get kills at Normandy.

How much did this change the battles they were in. Not allot.

In Nedorubov's case, his Cossack cavalry division destroyed the Mechanized Infantry division they were fighting against in a series of cavalry charges.

So yes, it did change the outcome of the battle he was in. That's how the men at his sides fought and defeated their opponents.

[Krazakistan]

Something just like that ya!

I was envisioning a towed BM-21/14 style launcher

They have this.

They also have a manportable BM-21 launcher, which is just a single tube. However it could be easily used for some serious long range fire support.

Or maybe for other purposes.

"Comrade Colonel, our attempts to take the building have failed. 12 men are dead and we've lost 2 BTRs. What shall we do?"

"Do we still have those single 122mm rocket tubes, Comrade Major?"

"Da, comrade Colonel."

"Have the men direct fire them at the building. If our bullets can't kill those Chechens our rockets sure will"

[The Greater Luthorian Empire]

I have a gun. The horse has to close in to hit me.

Raise up my M4, switch to semi-auto.

Proceed to keep pulling the trigger until killed to death.

Also an angry horse isn't nearly as scary as facing down a 30 ton armored vehicle.

Not even remotely close.

A 30 ton armoured vehicle generally doesn't charge you intending to run you over. Yeah I would be more scared of an IFV than a horse if each was trying to run me over but the former tends to shoot at you instead.

[Allanea]

They have this.

They also have a manportable BM-21 launcher, which is just a single tube. However it could be easily used for some serious long range fire support.

Or maybe for other purposes.

"Comrade Colonel, our attempts to take the building have failed. 12 men are dead and we've lost 2 BTRs. What shall we do?"

"Do we still have those single 122mm rocket tubes, Comrade Major?"

"Da, comrade Colonel."

"Have the men direct fire them at the building. If our bullets can't kill those Chechens our rockets sure will"

It's actually designated "Grad-P", with the P standing for "Partisan".

[San-Silvacian]

I have a gun. The horse has to close in to hit me.

Raise up my M4, switch to semi-auto.

Proceed to keep pulling the trigger until killed to death.

Also an angry horse isn't nearly as scary as facing down a 30 ton armored vehicle.

Not even remotely close.

A 30 ton armoured vehicle generally doesn't charge you intending to run you over. Yeah I would be more scared of an IFV than a horse if each was trying to run me over but the former tends to shoot at you instead.

If the 30-ton armored vehicle is a BMP-2 and its being driven by the Russians then yes, it does intend to run me over.

And some guy used a sword to knock out a Pz IV, and another used a longbow to get kills at Normandy.

How much did this change the battles they were in. Not allot.

In Nedorubov's case, his Cossack cavalry division destroyed the Mechanized Infantry division they were fighting against in a series of cavalry charges.

So yes, it did change the outcome of the battle he was in. That's how the men at his sides fought and defeated their opponents.

>Cossack
>Division

Really that explained it.

The only thing scarier than a Cossack division is possibly a division of pissed off Yugoslavs

"We have killed evil German fascists!"

"Let use play soccer with their heads!"

"Da!"

[Krazakistan]

Or maybe for other purposes.

"Comrade Colonel, our attempts to take the building have failed. 12 men are dead and we've lost 2 BTRs. What shall we do?"

"Do we still have those single 122mm rocket tubes, Comrade Major?"

"Da, comrade Colonel."

"Have the men direct fire them at the building. If our bullets can't kill those Chechens our rockets sure will"

It's actually designated "Grad-P", with the P standing for "Partisan".

It looks like a recoilless rifle. So you could direct fire it at a building with Chechens inside of it.