Your Nation's Air Force Mark II:

[Radicchio]

Well you have me taking it seriously now.
Thanks.

The best part is that it can carry or can be modified to carry virtually the entire arsenal of any reasonable air force. There are few if any modern RL air-delivered weapons that outweigh its' maximum payload.

I am going to mount that gatling cannon it, hang 24 anti-tank missiles from it and deploy it as a tank hunter with coaxial helicopters providing spotting and look down targeting...
you know, cause someone has to.

[DnalweN acilbupeR]

The best part is that it can carry or can be modified to carry virtually the entire arsenal of any reasonable air force. There are few if any modern RL air-delivered weapons that outweigh its' maximum payload.

I am going to mount that gatling cannon it, hang 24 anti-tank missiles from it and deploy it as a tank hunter with coaxial helicopters providing spotting and look down targeting...
you know, cause someone has to.

3x Brimstone per pylon x9 hardpoints (so 27 missiles) x 50kg per Brimstone will set you back 12150kg ; I don't think total pylon weight will be over 2T so you're in the green

the gun? for general anti-armor use? yeah. anti-tank? useless today.

[DnalweN acilbupeR]

whats the smallest caliber HEAT effective against modern MBT roof armor?

[Hurtful Thoughts]

whats the smallest caliber HEAT effective against modern MBT roof armor?

50mm EFP can do bugger.

Although for a safety-margin most people go with something bigger than 90mm, SADARM used submunitions the diameter of the projectile (~125mm).

[The Kievan People]

whats the smallest caliber HEAT effective against modern MBT roof armor?

Plenty of modern MBTs have like 30mm of steel up there

But if we are talking about something like the Merkava IV or Strv 122 I'd guesstimate ~90mm. Preferably tandem.

[DnalweN acilbupeR]

<implying ERA on roof

so 80mm won't cut it??

edit: pun unintended

[The Akasha Colony]

<implying ERA on roof

What?

[DnalweN acilbupeR]

<implying ERA on roof

What?

I know, but that's not something you'll see a lot of on Western (and incidentally NS) tanks

[The Akasha Colony]

I know, but that's not something you'll see a lot of on Western (and incidentally NS) tanks

If it's the stereotypical NS tank then you'll just see really thick passive roof armor, claiming ERA-like levels of protection. But I don't think it's as rare as you think; my tanks have it, and I'm hardly the most creative person here.

[Newne Thernania]

we have over 11,200 J-89s
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sukhoi_Su-27

[DnalweN acilbupeR]

I know, but that's not something you'll see a lot of on Western (and incidentally NS) tanks

If it's the stereotypical NS tank then you'll just see really thick passive roof armor, claiming ERA-like levels of protection. But I don't think it's as rare as you think; my tanks have it, and I'm hardly the most creative person here.

ok. lets assume no era. 80mm HEAT against tank roof y/y?

[DnalweN acilbupeR]

Can imaging IR into SALH??

[Radicchio]

3x Brimstone per pylon x9 hardpoints (so 27 missiles) x 50kg per Brimstone will set you back 12150kg ; I don't think total pylon weight will be over 2T so you're in the green

the gun? for general anti-armor use? yeah. anti-tank? useless today.

The gun is a must for me because i am doing an RP against a guy who likes to use a lot of irregular civilian vehicles as anti-armor vehicles. He is hitting me with carl gustavs, hydra rocket pods and ingwe missile launchers from thebacks of toyotas and volvos.
This is currently keeping me hunting antiarmor on the ground rather than hunting armor.
I see no sense dropping the dime on an anti-tank missile when an autocannon can cheese an isuzu without costing me a buck five a shot.

Meanwhile i want to be actively hunting his MK-III tanks from the sky so i dont have to keep repositioning my armor to stay in controll of key roads and bridges.

Hence, i need a tank hunter, with a gun so i can supress his armor while making his irregulars an unviable option.
It may only work for a few rounds until he moved AA into the field but that may be all i need.

[Stahn]

3x Brimstone per pylon x9 hardpoints (so 27 missiles) x 50kg per Brimstone will set you back 12150kg ; I don't think total pylon weight will be over 2T so you're in the green

the gun? for general anti-armor use? yeah. anti-tank? useless today.

The gun is a must for me because i am doing an RP against a guy who likes to use a lot of irregular civilian vehicles as anti-armor vehicles. He is hitting me with carl gustavs, hydra rocket pods and ingwe missile launchers from thebacks of toyotas and volvos.
This is currently keeping me hunting antiarmor on the ground rather than hunting armor.
I see no sense dropping the dime on an anti-tank missile when an autocannon can cheese an isuzu without costing me a buck five a shot.

Meanwhile i want to be actively hunting his MK-III tanks from the sky so i dont have to keep repositioning my armor to stay in controll of key roads and bridges.

Hence, i need a tank hunter, with a gun so i can supress his armor while making his irregulars an unviable option.
It may only work for a few rounds until he moved AA into the field but that may be all i need.

Using material in a RP that you have purposely designed to counter an enemy with irregular equipment might be considered godmodding. Unless for example there is a plausible explanation why your armed forces are so well adapted to fight this enemy.

[DnalweN acilbupeR]

3x Brimstone per pylon x9 hardpoints (so 27 missiles) x 50kg per Brimstone will set you back 12150kg ; I don't think total pylon weight will be over 2T so you're in the green

the gun? for general anti-armor use? yeah. anti-tank? useless today.

The gun is a must for me because i am doing an RP against a guy who likes to use a lot of irregular civilian vehicles as anti-armor vehicles. He is hitting me with carl gustavs, hydra rocket pods and ingwe missile launchers from thebacks of toyotas and volvos.
This is currently keeping me hunting antiarmor on the ground rather than hunting armor.
I see no sense dropping the dime on an anti-tank missile when an autocannon can cheese an isuzu without costing me a buck five a shot.

Meanwhile i want to be actively hunting his MK-III tanks from the sky so i dont have to keep repositioning my armor to stay in controll of key roads and bridges.

Hence, i need a tank hunter, with a gun so i can supress his armor while making his irregulars an unviable option.
It may only work for a few rounds until he moved AA into the field but that may be all i need.

guided rockets are your friend

the marvels of the modern world..

EDIT: Protip - you don't need a dedicated anti-tank plane for fighting insurgents.

You need..

*drumroll*



disclaimer: 4.1T payload with armor will kill insurgents really dead!

[Stahn]

[quote="Radicchio";p="22838274
Panavia Tornado or the Eurofighter Typhoon?

I had never considered the typhoon for close air support/anti-tank operations, d you know anything about how it preforms at altitudes of around or under 1000 ft?

Supposedly quite well. Maximum speed at low altitude Mach 1.2 (1470 km/h, 915 mph at sea level.

[Radicchio]

Using material in a RP that you have purposely designed to counter an enemy with irregular equipment might be considered godmodding. Unless for example there is a plausible explanation why your armed forces are so well adapted to fight this enemy.

I am going to identify the "right" equipment, go to the traders, find someone selling them used, buy them, ship them and recieve them then take a couple of full rounds to train and deploy in limited numbers before utilizing them fully.
I do not believe that will be "godmod."

[Stahn]

Using material in a RP that you have purposely designed to counter an enemy with irregular equipment might be considered godmodding. Unless for example there is a plausible explanation why your armed forces are so well adapted to fight this enemy.

I am going to identify the "right" equipment, go to the traders, find someone selling them used, buy them, ship them and recieve them then take a couple of full rounds to train and deploy in limited numbers before utilizing them fully.
I do not believe that will be "godmod."

Neither do I.

[DnalweN acilbupeR]

Using material in a RP that you have purposely designed to counter an enemy with irregular equipment might be considered godmodding. Unless for example there is a plausible explanation why your armed forces are so well adapted to fight this enemy.

I am going to identify the "right" equipment, go to the traders, find someone selling them used, buy them, ship them and recieve them then take a couple of full rounds to train and deploy in limited numbers before utilizing them fully.
I do not believe that will be "godmod."

i'll give you a crankin deal on guided rockets you in?

[The Kievan People]

<implying ERA on roof

so 80mm won't cut it??

edit: pun unintended

Personally I would say 100mm is the minimum caliber for an effective top attack munition against tanks with armoured roofs. All things considered.

[DnalweN acilbupeR]

<implying ERA on roof

so 80mm won't cut it??

edit: pun unintended

Personally I would say 100mm is the minimum caliber for an effective top attack munition against tanks with armoured roofs. All things considered.

meh, I just wanted to know how well 80mm e.g. mortar or rockets would do

[The Akasha Colony]

Using material in a RP that you have purposely designed to counter an enemy with irregular equipment might be considered godmodding. Unless for example there is a plausible explanation why your armed forces are so well adapted to fight this enemy.

I am going to identify the "right" equipment, go to the traders, find someone selling them used, buy them, ship them and recieve them then take a couple of full rounds to train and deploy in limited numbers before utilizing them fully.
I do not believe that will be "godmod."

Then your enemy has forced you to buy expensive (even second hand) equipment by just throwing some leftovers on his trucks. Buying a whole new fleet of aircraft, developing new operational procedures for them, training pilots and maintenance personnel, qualifying and certifying your weapons for use on these new aircraft, and then building the infrastructure and supply chain to support them is not going to be cheap at all, and certainly not cheaper than even using a full Hellfire on each truck from your existing aircraft.

If you want to provide cheap COIN/CAS, just use an armed trainer, which would would more plausibly already have.

[Purpelia]

Ultimate ground attack.

Atomic COIN best COIN.

[DnalweN acilbupeR]

I am going to identify the "right" equipment, go to the traders, find someone selling them used, buy them, ship them and recieve them then take a couple of full rounds to train and deploy in limited numbers before utilizing them fully.
I do not believe that will be "godmod."

Then your enemy has forced you to buy expensive (even second hand) equipment by just throwing some leftovers on his trucks. Buying a whole new fleet of aircraft, developing new operational procedures for them, training pilots and maintenance personnel, qualifying and certifying your weapons for use on these new aircraft, and then building the infrastructure and supply chain to support them is not going to be cheap at all, and certainly not cheaper than even using a full Hellfire on each truck from your existing aircraft.

If you want to provide cheap COIN/CAS, just use an armed trainer, which would would more plausibly already have.

you're exaggerating as far as COIN is concerned.

>take agricultural plane
>slap on basic surveillance and targeting electronics
>slap on existing weapons
>coin aircraft

[Spirit of Hope]

Then your enemy has forced you to buy expensive (even second hand) equipment by just throwing some leftovers on his trucks. Buying a whole new fleet of aircraft, developing new operational procedures for them, training pilots and maintenance personnel, qualifying and certifying your weapons for use on these new aircraft, and then building the infrastructure and supply chain to support them is not going to be cheap at all, and certainly not cheaper than even using a full Hellfire on each truck from your existing aircraft.

If you want to provide cheap COIN/CAS, just use an armed trainer, which would would more plausibly already have.

you're exaggerating as far as COIN is concerned.

>take agricultural plane
>slap on basic surveillance and targeting electronics
>slap on existing weapons
>coin aircraft

That still means training new engineers, pilots, and maintenance crews for that aircraft. Then their is actually building/buying the new plane, the weapons, and adding the weapons to the plane.

All while you should have trainers of various sorts (including prop trainers) that already are capable of holding some form of weapons. This is assuming you don't already have some form of COIN aircraft or a multi role that can do the role just as well.