Worldbuilding Realism Consultation Thread Mk. 4

[Heavonia]

Question: Does your nation allow police officers to patrol/be hired by civilians?

Members of the ruling nobility can apply to the local watch committee to have sections of Enforcers seconded to their guards, and the watch committee would surely agree. They would never agree to such a request from a commoner.

[Austrasien]

Question: Does your nation allow police officers to patrol/be hired by civilians? In the United States, police can/are occasionally payed by citizens to patrol certain communities, escort cars out of churches, etc. In Paragania, police can be hired by citizens as long as the police are not needed in any other emergencies or dispatches.

No.

Some services, like police escorts for funerals, are available on a fee-for-service basis through local police units.

There is an increasing number of licensed private police forces, especially in major cities, to meet demand for things like greater community presence.

[DnalweN acilbupeR]

Question: Does your nation allow police officers to patrol/be hired by civilians? In the United States, police can/are occasionally payed by citizens to patrol certain communities, escort cars out of churches, etc. In Paragania, police can be hired by citizens as long as the police are not needed in any other emergencies or dispatches.

No.

Some services, like police escorts for funerals, are available on a fee-for-service basis through local police units.

There is an increasing number of licensed private police forces, especially in major cities, to meet demand for things like greater community presence.

why would you want a police escort if you werent some sort of enlist/officer/cop/etc?

(i assume those dont pay)

[The Kievan People]

Traffic control, obviously.

[DnalweN acilbupeR]

Traffic control, obviously.

oh, i assumed it was one of those like official cop motorcade/procession like a "parade" or smth

well i don't think it's something strictly necessary but whatever floats your boat

[The Kievan People]

It's an actual service.

http://www.torontopolice.on.ca/paidduty/

Off-duty police officers are available for hire to provide police presence for a range of functions:

Traffic control;
Funeral Escorts;
Escorts for wide/oversized loads;
Film Shoots;
Security at Sporting Events/Concerts, Weddings/Banquets, Community and School Events.

[DnalweN acilbupeR]

It's an actual service.

http://www.torontopolice.on.ca/paidduty/

Off-duty police officers are available for hire to provide police presence for a range of functions:

Traffic control;
Funeral Escorts;
Escorts for wide/oversized loads;
Film Shoots;
Security at Sporting Events/Concerts, Weddings/Banquets, Community and School Events.

i'd say securing large gatherings of people is a matter of public interest and should probably be done regardless of whether or not the police get paid . . .

[Korva]

Traffic control, obviously.

oh, i assumed it was one of those like official cop motorcade/procession like a "parade" or smth

well i don't think it's something strictly necessary but whatever floats your boat

It is handy for when you have large funerals and a decent distance from the church to the burial ground. Otherwise you can have big groups of people getting stuck behind lights/stop signs/etc and arriving late/missing the burial.

[Rich and Corporations]

i'd say securing large gatherings of people is a matter of public interest and should probably be done regardless of whether or not the police get paid . . .

That's true.

But police are not even obligated to respond to crimes.

[DnalweN acilbupeR]

i'd say securing large gatherings of people is a matter of public interest and should probably be done regardless of whether or not the police get paid . . .

That's true.

But police are not even obligated to respond to crimes.

wut

[Korva]

That's true.

But police are not even obligated to respond to crimes.

wut

In the U.S. the police have no specific duty to protect an individual unless than individual is in their custody or has been induced to rely on the officer's care.

They can still be fired of course for going against department policy or statute, but you can't sue them for negligence.

[DnalweN acilbupeR]

wut

In the U.S. the police have no specific duty to protect an individual unless than individual is in their custody or has been induced to rely on the officer's care.

They can still be fired of course for going against department policy or statute, but you can't sue them for negligence.

oh yeah i remember reading something to that effect..

well its pretty dumb if you ask me

[The Kievan People]

Not at all.

It would be literally impossible for police to function otherwise, every single crime which happens would be a potential liability.

[DnalweN acilbupeR]

Not at all.

It would be literally impossible for police to function otherwise, every single crime which happens would be a potential liability.

well, every reported crime obviously

[Welskerland]

While do some countries IRL have more than one capital?

I get that countries like Bolivia have an administrative capital (La Paz), and a judicial capital (Sucre).

South Africa has three capitals, I think. Pretoria, Cape Town, and Bloemfontein.

So what purpose do multiple capitals serve and having different parts of government in each capital?

[The Chinese Peoples]

Johannesburg has an alternate name?

[Rich and Corporations]

Not at all.

It would be literally impossible for police to function otherwise, every single crime which happens would be a potential liability.

Are you saying anarcho-capitalism cannot work?

[Gallia-]

In the U.S. the police have no specific duty to protect an individual unless than individual is in their custody or has been induced to rely on the officer's care.

They can still be fired of course for going against department policy or statute, but you can't sue them for negligence.

oh yeah i remember reading something to that effect..

well its pretty dumb if you ask me

How do you propose police watch literally every single person ever?

[The Kievan People]

Are you saying anarcho-capitalism cannot work?

Liability is the flipside of responsibility.

Government police, whose responsibility is only really limited by the size of their assigned area, would have similarly expansive liability. Since the claims relating to even a single wrongful death can run into the many millions the cost insuring against all possible police failures would be astronomical, especially in high crime areas. They are protected from liability so they can continue to provide police protection to more or less everyone at a reasonable cost.

Private police would be liable only for those clients who they freely choose to enter into contracts with. So it would be quite limited, and they could easily build the price of insuring themselves against damages into the fee. Of course they wouldn't lift a finger to help anyone who isn't paying them, least they somehow become embroiled in a claim for which they have no insurance.

[Heavonia]

wut

In the U.S. the police have no specific duty to protect an individual unless than individual is in their custody or has been induced to rely on the officer's care.

They can still be fired of course for going against department policy or statute, but you can't sue them for negligence.

This is stupid.

[Heavonia]

It's an actual service.

http://www.torontopolice.on.ca/paidduty/

i'd say securing large gatherings of people is a matter of public interest and should probably be done regardless of whether or not the police get paid . . .

I would assume it means for smaller-than-rly-large gatherings. E.g. a Preston North End v Burnley football match will have thousands (well, up to 23,000) attending, but a Downley Dynamos vs Hazlemere Holy Trinity match might have 100 people attending maximum. The former will have a Match Commander, Ground Commander, Approach Commander, public order specialists, Taser-trained officers, dog units, cordons etc. The latter could probably hire a police officer to come and hang about if the dads of a few of the players are known for getting a bit rowdy in their support of their kids' teams after a pint or two.

[Sadism and Gommorah]

Question: Does your nation allow police officers to patrol/be hired by civilians? In the United States, police can/are occasionally payed by citizens to patrol certain communities, escort cars out of churches, etc. In Paragania, police can be hired by citizens as long as the police are not needed in any other emergencies or dispatches.

Most certainly not. Police officers are hired by the state and are to submit to only the authority of the state.

[Korva]

In the U.S. the police have no specific duty to protect an individual unless than individual is in their custody or has been induced to rely on the officer's care.

They can still be fired of course for going against department policy or statute, but you can't sue them for negligence.

This is stupid.

Not really, making them liable to each specific harmed person would be impracticable. Police budgets would have to be massive to do the same job.

[Rich and Corporations]

This is stupid.

Not really, making them liable to each specific harmed person would be impracticable. Police budgets would have to be massive to do the same job.

Or maybe laws will have to be very small for the same police budget.

[DnalweN acilbupeR]

Not really, making them liable to each specific harmed person would be impracticable. Police budgets would have to be massive to do the same job.

Or maybe laws will have to be very small for the same police budget.

small laws?