Military Ground Vehicles of Your Nation [NO MECHS] Type 6

[Gvozdevsk]

I've got to know, what's the Ariete for?

Being a hipster.

[Questers]

Italian tanks are designed to be forgotten.

[Consortium of Manchukuo]

What is wrong with the Leopard 2? That isn't a defense of it, I just don't know enough about modern tanks beyond general specifics to be able to judge them effectively and would like to try to know some more information regarding this. All I could see for it that was bad was its torsion bar suspension, and its height (Which had some different sites putting conflicting stuff out there, but wikipedia's 3 meters seems unnaturally tall given that no other modern Western MBT has that sort of height).

Leclerc is better anyway. Great glory to amx-56.

Tank design by nation.

Russian tanks are designed to win winter.
Chinese tanks are designed by Russia.
Japanese tanks are designed to win anime.
German tanks are designed to win racecourses.
French tanks are designed to win beauty competitions.
American tanks are designed to win congress.
British tanks are designed to win battles.

Leclerc wins everything, there is no denying it. What other national tanks works in such perfect harmony with the cavalry?

[Black Hand]

Whats the general consensus on the olifant MK2 here?
I mean it's a Centurion wit "improved" armor and a 120mm smoothbore.

[Vitaphone Racing]

Whats the general consensus on the olifant MK2 here?
I mean it's a Centurion wit "improved" armor and a 120mm smoothbore.

I suppose you could summarize it as being an adequate tank for SA.

[Questers]

Inb4 the whole NSMRCT arrives here.

[The Akasha Colony]

Inb4 the whole NSMRCT arrives here.

Out of all the military discussion threads, this one seems to have the most overlap, as well as the most similar pace, to NSMRC.

[Vitaphone Racing]

Inb4 the whole NSMRCT arrives here.

Out of all the military discussion threads, this one seems to have the most overlap, as well as the most similar pace, to NSMRC.

I'd play it cool for a few hours lest this one be locked as well.

[Questers]

NS threads are designed to be locked.

Btw, I am using FV432 now

[Registug]

You know, I'm wondering whether I should go on with my jungletank project or just go with the centurion, maybe modify it? I'd like for Cooksland to have a brief period of building their own tanks, however.

[Kouralia]

Btw, I am using FV432 now

*hugs Questers for the win-ness*

[Deutsche Demokratischer Volksstaat]

Tank design by nation.

Russian tanks are designed to win winter.
Chinese tanks are designed by Russia.
Japanese tanks are designed to win anime.
German tanks are designed to win racecourses.
French tanks are designed to win beauty competitions.
American tanks are designed to win congress.
British tanks are designed to win battles.

~Sigged

Ariete is really an unremarkable and in fact mediocre tank (among other things, it shares the same fault of storing reserve ammunition in the front of the hull as Leopard 2).

Seriously, I return and...that unprecedented spate of shitposting across the NS military threads?

[The Grey Wolf]

Italian tanks are designed to be forgotten.

They were made to try and be practical. The Italian industries were not as strong as the German and Russians. A lot of Italian tanks had a longer operational range than others.

It's not a matter of them being "designed to be forgotten." It's about them not being properly used. The L6/40 tank for example, shouldn't have been used in direct combat roles. That should have been filled by a medium tank. It was a good reconnaissance vehicle and might be able to provide infantry support, but against the T-34's and KV1's of Russia, it never stood a chance.

The Carro Armato's, right up until the P40, were more light tanks than medium.

[Questers]

Italian tanks are designed to be forgotten.

They were made to try and be practical. The Italian industries were not as strong as the German and Russians. A lot of Italian tanks had a longer operational range than others.

It's not a matter of them being "designed to be forgotten." It's about them not being properly used. The L6/40 tank for example, shouldn't have been used in direct combat roles. That should have been filled by a medium tank. It was a good reconnaissance vehicle and might be able to provide infantry support, but against the T-34's and KV1's of Russia, it never stood a chance.

The Carro Armato's, right up until the P40, were more light tanks than medium.

I am thinking post WW2 really.

[Anemos Major]

Ariete is really an unremarkable and in fact mediocre tank (among other things, it shares the same fault of storing reserve ammunition in the front of the hull as Leopard 2).

Seriously, I return and...that unprecedented spate of shitposting across the NS military threads?

Escalated somewhat quickly, but I suppose it does mean that I won't have to continue banging my head against the metaphorical wall.

Ariete gets a lot of things wrong beyond the reserve ammunition. The composites they use are going to be flimsier than their French or German counterparts, the armour is, given the weight versus volume protected of the tank, probably going to be quite thin, the tank was chronically underpowered in its initial iteration, the gun is domestically designed in the 1990s to NATO specifications, which leads me to highly doubt that the gun is capable of firing more recent APFSDS models (I think it still uses DM33).

tl;dr the first production Ariete was deficient in offence, defence and mobility, the Iraq upgrades closed the mobility and protection gap somewhat but its armament is still 'old' compared to other 120mm gunned tanks, almost inevitably.

[The Grey Wolf]

They were made to try and be practical. The Italian industries were not as strong as the German and Russians. A lot of Italian tanks had a longer operational range than others.

It's not a matter of them being "designed to be forgotten." It's about them not being properly used. The L6/40 tank for example, shouldn't have been used in direct combat roles. That should have been filled by a medium tank. It was a good reconnaissance vehicle and might be able to provide infantry support, but against the T-34's and KV1's of Russia, it never stood a chance.

The Carro Armato's, right up until the P40, were more light tanks than medium.

I am thinking post WW2 really.

Ah. I don't know too much about Post-WW2 Italian armored warfare, so I can't talk.

[Spirit of Hope]

I come back from a good nights sleep and what the hell happened in NS Realism?

You know, I'm wondering whether I should go on with my jungletank project or just go with the centurion, maybe modify it? I'd like for Cooksland to have a brief period of building their own tanks, however.

How are you planning on designing your jungle tank?

[Registug]

No idea! Light, lightly armoured but possibly heavily armed with a 25pdr field gun. Phat trax for lower ground pressure, shorter barrel for fitting between trees, ultimately designed with infantry fire support in SE Asia in mind.

That's really about as far as it goes.

[The Akasha Colony]

IMO, it seems like the Ariete was designed as a "me too" tank, with Italy considering itself too large and developed to outright import a tank like the Leo 2, Leclerc, or Abrams. So they made their own, but didn't have quite the budget or experience to put it quite on the level of other Western MBTs, which didn't really get addressed since it was a political work to begin with.

You know, I'm wondering whether I should go on with my jungletank project or just go with the centurion, maybe modify it? I'd like for Cooksland to have a brief period of building their own tanks, however.

Centurion's probably good enough. Unless you're going to go all the way down to a light tank, a regular MBT is good enough; they're designed to operate on just about any terrain as is, which is the point.



In any event, with NSMRC locked, it might be time to let this thread shine.

[Vitaphone Racing]

The Ariete isn't a me too tank so much as it's an economic stimulus for the Italian high tech and manufacturing sector. They'll continue to upgrade it over time because they'll inevitably want it to be comparable with other European tanks so they can market it internationally and because it keeps economically valuable engineering and manufacturing jobs in the country. That said, what's happening with future upgrades is anybody's guess.

[Vitaphone Racing]

In any event, with NSMRC locked, it might be time to let this thread shine.

neo-realism? Uh, what?

[Imperializt Russia]

In any event, with NSMRC locked, it might be time to let this thread shine.

neo-realism? Uh, what?

Read the OP.
His description of novel firearm propellants might entertain you.

You're not a trained pyrotechnic, you know.

[Imperial isa]

You know, I'm wondering whether I should go on with my jungletank project or just go with the centurion, maybe modify it? I'd like for Cooksland to have a brief period of building their own tanks, however.

I did read RAAC the did send centurions to Vietnam and their crews did some modifying of the tanks just wish i had that book i read it in

[Wardie land]

Tank design by nation.

Russian tanks are designed to win winter.
Chinese tanks are designed by Russia.
Japanese tanks are designed to win anime.
German tanks are designed to win racecourses.
French tanks are designed to win beauty competitions.
American tanks are designed to win congress.
British tanks are designed to win battles.

Wardie land approves!

British tanks are great, just look at Challenger 1 and 2, Challenger 1 using the L11 tank gun got the longest tank kill in history in the Gulf War, taking out an Iraqi tank at 3.1 miles! Challenger 2 uses the L30, great tank! Challenger 2 can survive being hit by 70 RPGs, as well as a direct hit from a MILAN anti-tank missile.

[Sharko Federation]

Im Officialy Finished With My MBT, Well The Drawing, Defenatly Not The Stats. Any Thoughts? Any Ideas On, VAT DA HALL AMI SAPOSED TO PUTE FOR DA STATS?



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Elevation: [INSERT HERE]
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Top Speed On Road: [INSERT HERE]
Make: UNIS Tech De Militare
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Crew: 4
Year Introduced: 1984
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Nation Of Origin: The Sharko Federation, APC Variant By Old Arstotzka